8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

pleas advice · 18-05-2018 01:44AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Is this the 666 post? Cool.
Anyway should airlines that fly between UK and Ireland advice/point their staff in the right direction,. to vote NO!?

Edit: I just realised it's the end of page 665 and not even on page 666, ffs nothing evil about this at-all at-all

pfft n00b... I'm only on page 533

:pac:

Larbre34 · 18-05-2018 01:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

ive sent in a change of address form a month ago, im still on the register at my old address.

they (DCC) havent responded to an email about it a fortnight back, have sent another today

phones obv are on voicemail

any advice guys?

Go to the polling station for your old address to vote.

Sam Quentin · 18-05-2018 01:47AM

pleas advice wrote: »

pfft n00b... I'm only on page 533

:pac:

Excuse me am here ages and stuff..
I just don't register certain things and stuff!?
Ok hi sound

Sam Quentin · 18-05-2018 01:53AM

pleas advice wrote: »

pfft n00b... I'm only on page 533

:pac:

I'm definitely on page devil 666 now.
You must have a longer phone than me!?

pleas advice · 18-05-2018 01:55AM

yeah, touch site is 12 posts per page, desktop / responsive / m.boards is 15 posts, don't know why

CZ 453 · 18-05-2018 01:55AM

Inject potassium into the heart of a baby?

Sam Quentin · 18-05-2018 02:14AM

CZ 453 wrote: »

Inject potassium into the heart of a baby?

You don't have to say that stuff..
How about I name a Million reasons a woman may not want or be in a position to have/raise a child!? How about not making a girl/woman feel guilty and basically being forced because of her guilty feelings and thoughts about what some people might think of her,.. How about if an alternative is available she should be allowed to go down that road and get on with her life and if in the future she'd like a wee baby then let her go down that road to!? Free of guilt and torment from outside 'sources'.

CZ 453 · 18-05-2018 02:39AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You don't have to say that stuff..
How about I name a Million reasons a woman may not want or be in a position to have/raise a child!? How about not making a girl/woman feel guilty and basically being forced because of her guilty feelings and thoughts about what some people might think of her,.. How about if an alternative is available she should be allowed to go down that road and get on with her life and if in the future she'd like a wee baby then let her go down that road to!? Free of guilt and torment from outside 'sources'.

It is factual though like the points you raise above. People have to weigh it up too. We can't ignore the physical process we are potentially voting for.

Sam Quentin · 18-05-2018 02:50AM

CZ 453 wrote: »

It is factual though like the points you raise above. People have to weigh it up too. We can't ignore the physical process we are potentially voting for.

I understand.

spookwoman · 18-05-2018 03:08AM

CZ 453 wrote: »

It is factual though like the points you raise above. People have to weigh it up too. We can't ignore the physical process we are potentially voting for.

Speaking of factual most abortions are 2 pills and a heavy period.

Overheal · 18-05-2018 03:09AM

pleas advice wrote: »

yeah, touch site is 12 posts per page, desktop / responsive / m.boards is 15 posts, don't know why

Touch site is 40 PPpg for me. You can change settings in your CP

RabbleRouser2k · 18-05-2018 03:46AM

Irish Times for articles on this-apparently support has dropped 5 points on the Yes Side. 4 point increase in the No vote.

Doubt has crept into the Yes side vote, with a 5 points drop amongst voters. A sharp drop in some groups as well.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/abortion-referendum/irish-times-poll-repeal-has-large-but-reduced-lead-1.3497830

I don't mind people changing opinions-but I'd rather they were based on facts.

Zubeneschamali · 18-05-2018 06:27AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Doubt has crept into the Yes side vote, with a 5 points drop amongst voters. A sharp drop in some groups as well.

Not unusual. The Yes vote for SSM was 8 points lower than the last MRBI poll.

Still a win!

Zubeneschamali · 18-05-2018 06:31AM

DOS wrote: »

'The older voters to die off'. I take it this is Compassion and Care Yes side style. No respect for human life at either end of the spectrum.

Let's pretend old people never die.

Let's pretend abortion is never necessary.

Let's pretend abortion isn't already happening here.

Let's pretend the 8th has no bad effects on women's healthcare.

Let's all vote No.

freshpopcorn · 18-05-2018 06:34AM

This opinion mightn't be loved here but it's how some people I've encountered feel.
Main difference between this and the marriage referendum is they knew gay people either family, friends, friends kids,etc so they could relate to it.
This time however they simply don't know of anybody who had an abortion. So, they find them hard to relate to.
They see a free minutes of somebody on TV speaking about a crises pregnancy. They feel sorry for the person but they don't really know them.
However the one place they have experienced abortion is watching the soaps. These people are in there lives everyday. So strangely enough they feel they know them.
Soaps have done an excellent job at covering teenage pregnancy, homosexuality, addictions, depression, loads of social issues. However the one are they've failed is with abortion(In my opinion). The character who has one is nearly always stereotypical ie it was just an unwanted baby and that's that. They very rarely focus on the hard hitting cases.
The last few times I've seen abortion mentioned is soaps,
Sinead in Coronation Street. Ken basically convinced her to have one because of how it would effect his sons Daniel studies and she really regretted it.
In Fair City it was mentioned before Christmas when somebody was conceived through rape and the mother had no regrets.
So, this the reality for some people. They know soaps aren't really but they also feel connected to them.
They also live up to exactly what the no campaign are saying.

erica74 · 18-05-2018 06:40AM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

cowardly

Nope.

Whiplash85 wrote: »

self centred

Definitely nope.

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Kirsten Fuller is a Fethard, Co. Tipperary GP - who says no to everything - SSM, Abortion - anything that lets normal every day people take control of their own lives.

Now doing a fact check

I personally think it's wrong for a GP on either side of the discussion to be campaigning so hard for one or the other.
Say you're a girl who was raped and became pregnant and Kirsten is your GP?
Say you're a woman who has taken abortion pills or had an abortion in the UK and Kirsten is your GP?
Say you're a woman pregnant with a wanted baby who has a FFA and Kirsten is your GP?

_Dara_ wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how are your families voting?

Mine:

Me - yes
Huz - yes
Father - no
Mother - yes
Brother - no
Sister - yes
Bro-in-law - yes

I don’t know how my in-laws are voting.

Me - yes
Husband - yes
Sister - yes
Father - yes
Mother - I have no contact with her but definitely no, she has always been against abortion

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This time however they simply don't know of anybody who had an abortion. So, they find them hard to relate to.

That's because women who have had an abortion have been shamed into silence and called murderers.

I really hope my Together for Yes t shirt comes today. I want to wear it over the weekend so when I am approached by a lovenone canvasser I can say read my boobs:pac:

Tom Mann Centuria · 18-05-2018 06:48AM

Really odd seeing 2 obs/gynae consultants from my local hospital in different camps, both relatively young, both quite vocal in their opinions. I've also seen a nurse, again not old (under 40) from same hospital campaigning very strongly for No, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion but some of the claims she's made are outlandish, even by the standards set by the less level headed, adversarial posters here. Selling aborted foetuses, or discussing picture of an entrance to the hospital, saying this is where the abortion wing is is going. Total nonsense.

I'd hope people move on once the result is announced, but I think it'll stay contentious for a while to come unfortunately.

freshpopcorn · 18-05-2018 07:05AM

I remember about a week before the marriage referendum The Journal did a poll asking all the TD's/Senators about how they were voting. Has this being done yer?
I know in my area one is No and two are Yes with one who probably won't answer.

Zubeneschamali · 18-05-2018 07:16AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

I'd hope people move on once the result is announced, but I think it'll stay contentious for a while to come unfortunately.

It'll be like Divorce. If No wins, we'll have the same arguments for 10 years and then pass it.

If Yes wins, the prolife campaign will disappear, and we'll just have Iona and a few cranks with signs in the street.

It wasnt me123 · 18-05-2018 07:45AM

erica74 wrote: »

I personally think it's wrong for a GP on either side of the discussion to be campaigning so hard for one or the other.
Say you're a girl who was raped and became pregnant and Kirsten is your GP?
Say you're a woman who has taken abortion pills or had an abortion in the UK and Kirsten is your GP?
Say you're a woman pregnant with a wanted baby who has a FFA and Kirsten is your GP?

I don't actually because it isn't that hard to change gps, I've done it. Though I can't stand the wagon, at least we know how she votes and if we don't want her no no no type of medical care, we move.

I am surprised at some of the doctors/nurses canvassing because my understanding is that the HSE told all staff not cavass/support either side publicly.

gmisk · 18-05-2018 07:48AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I remember about a week before the marriage referendum The Journal did a poll asking all the TD's/Senators about how they were voting. Has this being done yer?
I know in my area one is No and two are Yes with one who probably won't answer.

I would as well.
I have emailed one of my local TD and she has declined to answer, the other two would be a yes.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 18-05-2018 07:52AM

kylith wrote: »

The Project was more than happy to do the same for the other side, who chose not to submit a design.

You are perfectly entitled to write to the case mission and state that you disagree with other charities campaigning, and advocate that they be censured for this.

What you cannot do, however is say that one charity cannot host a piece of art that you disagree with, on political ground, but that a charity you do agree with CAN pump millions of euros that come from who knows where into campaigning. What’s sauce for the goose...

Exactly. On this occasion the no side did not take up an offer that yes voters did to lobby in an inappropriate way. Just as yes voters could also have defaced a mountain but didn't. But when it comes to the project arts centre you seem to think the fact that pro lifers were offered an equal opportunity to do something wrong makes it OK.
The point I was originally making many pages ago is that both sides have been guilty of abusing public facilities to lobby for their view. Just as both sides have torn down posters, been aggressive in trying to make their point,etc. But a lot of yes voters are very quick to point the finger while not so quick to look at their own behaviour.

erica74 · 18-05-2018 07:55AM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I don't actually because it isn't that hard to change gps, I've done it. Though I can't stand the wagon, at least we know how she votes and if we don't want her no no no type of medical care, we move.

I am surprised at some of the doctors/nurses canvassing because my understanding is that the HSE told all staff not cavass/support either side publicly.

We were. We were sent a lengthy email a while ago, at least a month ago. We were even told not to post on our personal social media just in case it could be construed as endorsing one or the other in your capacity as an employee of the HSE.

It wasnt me123 · 18-05-2018 08:05AM

^^^^^

and me but when you are so passionate about a topic it is hard to stay quiet, especially when it has such a impact on our lives.

nozzferrahhtoo · 18-05-2018 08:15AM

Just her wrote: »

Do you not see an issue with your sentience point, as in the foetus/ baby is not a non sentient being as you would put it forever, but give them a couple of more weeks and they will fall into your sentient group and suddenly be allowed to live?

No. Don't you love short answers to long questions?

If you see an issue with it by all means explain it. But I am not seeing one. But in case I lose my reputation as giving long answers, I will expand on it.

A similar philosophical point was explored in a story, later made into the Movie "The Minority Report". The philosophical question was about whether you convict people of a crime before they actually commit it. And the philosophical point that was drilling into was the concept of the difference between evaluating morality based on the present, or based on some future, real or imagined.

I fall into the first camp for the most part. We should make our moral and ethical decisions based on what is true NOW, the data we have NOW. Not data or realities we imagine ourselves having in the future.

NOW the fetus is not a sentient entity. I see no more reason a real person, like a pregnant woman, should have their freedoms, well being and choices curtailed by it any more than I should have mine curtailed in light of a child I might some day plan to have in the future. There is no person here NOW, but there is a pregnant woman NOW, and she has to be the focus of our moral and ethical concern for that reason.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 18-05-2018 08:16AM

In do think the NO campaign has ran a better/more compelling poster campaign. Dunno if that translates to votes though

ELM327 · 18-05-2018 08:20AM

Eliana Big Pedestrian wrote: »

In do think the NO campaign has ran a better/more compelling poster campaign. Dunno if that translates to votes though

They had a lot of money from the US and a licence to print lies.

1 in 5 - debunked
6 months - debunked
Killing babies - incorrect language
The "true compassion means vote no" ones - BS
97% of abortion on "healthy babies" - BS also, as you can't abort a baby, only terminate a pregnancy or remove the potential of a baby.

If they do win this - which I am now more scared of than before - it is because there are too many silly people in Ireland who fell for the scaremongering. Before the poster campaign there were only 27% no. So it follows that the gain is down to the campaign

fxotoole · 18-05-2018 08:22AM

Eliana Big Pedestrian wrote: »

In do think the NO campaign has ran a better/more compelling poster campaign. Dunno if that translates to votes though

I couldn’t disagree more. Their poster campaign has been full of scaremongering, mistruths, and whataboutterry.

The Yes poster campaign was on point.

18-05-2018 08:22AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Go to the polling station for your old address to vote.

dont have cards!

sightband · 18-05-2018 08:25AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It'll be like Divorce. If No wins, we'll have the same arguments for 10 years and then pass it.

If Yes wins, the prolife campaign will disappear, and we'll just have Iona and a few cranks with signs in the street.

agreed...although if yes wins, we're apparently moving on to assisted suicide, which by the way I'm all for but I'm getting pretty f*ckin sick of all these in your face 24/7 movements. lots of people here have little to be worrying about or doing in their daily lives. i was off sick yesterday and had two sets of campaigners from either side at my door during the afternoon, tons of them walking the streets.

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