8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

P_1 wrote: »

No.

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Wrongway1985 wrote: »

It is that simple it seems you deny others because you don't approve is what it comes down to, you can do in your life as you choose but you must approve what goes on in the lives of others. Unfortunate..[/QUOTE

Not at all. I didn't ask for this referendum, but I do have a civic responsibility to vote. Which I will do.

I haven't pressured anyone, or guilt tripped anyone, about how they are going to vote. I will simply vote according to my morals, without interfering with how anyone else votes.

So, who exactly is trying to approve what goes on in the lives of others? The person who does nothing more than vote for what they believe to be right - or the person who tries to pressurise, or guilt trip someone into voting a certain way by accusing them of being uncaring/ controlling, or any one of a number of other tactics?





My friend wasn't even lied to, actually. He wasn't informed at all.

Which is what led me to think about the issue in this referendum.
Because it will be legally possible for fathers here to be treated the same, in the event of the 8th being repealed. And it f was wrong for my friend to be treated like that, then it would be equally wrong for anyone else to be treated like that.

You miss the point when you say the relationship wasn't going to work. Whether it was, or wasn't, wasn't what hurt him the most. It was the loss of his son, and being treated as if he were of no importance whatsoever. His wished weren't even asked about - which I consider to be horrendous.

I know someone that had an abortion and didn’t tell her husband for fear of him stopping her. The 8th made no odds in her decision making process.

Fact is there is so little respect for the law in this area in this country that it’s wishful thinking that maintaining the 8th is actually helping anyone. If we want the people to respect the law we need to have laws that reflect the will of the people and are actually enforced.

P_1 wrote: »

Canvassed for the first time myself too. A few no's, a few no answers, a good few yesses and an undecided voter convinced to vote yes. Definitely worthwhile!

Thanks that is terrific those couple of extra yes votes could make all the difference

Prepared.

YesEquality did these during the marriage equality referendum, but they apply to all referendums.

Dressing gown wrote: »

Im not trying to set a trap I’m just trying really really hard to try to put myself in your shoes and see things clearly from your perspective. Professionally I have a scientific and a very technical legal background and I suppose that makes me ask a lot of questions and think about the whys of things a bit more. I just can’t get a feel for how to be a no voter to me I feel there is a big elephant in the room that is religion and that’s the only way I can rationalise why I can’t get my head around your perspective.

To me what the 8th amendment does in practice is not to protect the right to life of the unborn, but as another poster put it, only the unborn of those who can’t afford to travel or are too young to get hold of abortion pills online. Instead of doing what it supposed to do it makes the most vulnerable in our society not the unborn ‘baby’ but the mother carrying it-for it is she who must be dying or seriously ill before she can be saved. The very fact that she can be saved in those circumstances means the constitution doesn’t actually value the life of the unborn as equal to the mother; as the mother then trumps the unborns right to life. And then we as a nation don’t respect the 8th amendment in any event because we don’t prosecute anyone over it, and no one is protesting that, which tells me no one actually believes the unborns right to life actually equals the right to life of the mother.

Legally, scientifically, ethically, the amendment doesn’t work. I cannot get my head around why there is even a debate on this.

Ok well I disagree that it's all to do with religion as I know atheists who are pro life and religious people who are pro choice.

You say the 8th only protects the life of the poorer, to me that's still lives saved and the more saved the better.

You say the mother must be dying or seriously ill to be saved, but if we go the route of England where they allow abortion when the mother's mental health is in danger it resulted in 1 in every 5 or 6 pregnancies aborted which would translate into thousands more deaths here. Ireland is always rated highly as one of the safest places to give birth so I find it hard to buy into that the 8 th is causing deaths in Ireland.

There have been deaths of women from abortion, these are never mentioned or are glossed over as 'well it was her choice she knew the chance she was taking'

As for Irish ordering abortion pills online in one of the debates it was pointed out that the same is being done in the thousands in England where abortion is legal.

You talk of the mother s life trumping the unborns or vice versa. Love both means just that. We don't want either to die. I don't want women prosecuted for abortion, I want them not to do it in the first place. I find it hard to believe there aren't a lot of regrets. I read about a woman who had an abortion and said she had no regrets. She also said she checked on the calendar every so often to see what age the baby would be now. She also said she hoped she would be allowed to be a mother to the baby in heaven and that she could explain to the baby why she did it. That was from a woman with no regrets.

Another said she did regret it but not until many years passed and she had more children and it hit her then, each time she made a child a birthday cake she thought of the one who was aborted. What of the women who abort thinking they are too young but then it never happens for them again. People will say as long as they had the choice is their mistake to make, I think it's a hell of a price to pay.

I could go on and on but I'd be accused of trying to be emotive but this is actually what goes through my head. I have always been prolife but a few years ago someone very close to me who I greatly respect and love told me they were Pro choice. I couldn't get my head around it so I literally went back to the drawing board and put everything I knew or thought I knew aside and looked at the whole abortion debate with fresh eyes, looking only to as objective research as I could find to see what they were seeing. Well it only served to make me more prolife and gave me many sleepless nights thinking about the women and babies that go through this.

Posters can call me what they want I'm just answering dressing gown as they seem genuine. And apologies in advance to whoever replies I probably won't get a chance to answer.

Ireland is one of the safest places for a woman to be give birth. This is facilitated by obstetricians, 80% of whom say, the 8th should be repealed.

BabysCoffee wrote: »

Anyone watching "Would you believe" now?

Well worth switching it on

It is actually very good. I know it is a religious programme but so it is balanced. The Norway set up is interesting instead of constantly focussing on Britain

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I doubt anyone in the YES Camp would be changing their mind based on some show on RTE.
I did not watch it as I would rather watch adverts than watch any **** rte would produce.


If a tv programme can convince you its wrong to take away a womans right to choose, then you are watching the wrong programmes.

But it's not the Yes camp who will change their minds, is it-it's the undecideds, and they're the one's who hold the sway atm.

You are approaching this from 'your' point of view-not undecided's. And many did watch the show, and the consensus, based on the Irish Independent, was that it was a 'win' for the No camp-and that's a damn travesty.
There are many on the Yes side who are dropping the ball-Simon Harris, Leo Varadkar and a number of other yes proponents haven't spoken up.

The problem is people want information from so-called professionals. If a so-called pro gives you the wrong information, then there is a danger of making poor decisions.