8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

erica74 · 12-05-2018 06:26PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Abortion is VILE

No, your views are vile. You want to force women to be incubators. How about taking a step into the real world and accept that every woman everywhere deserves full access to medical care without having to present themselves to a committee and/or whatever else would satisfy the morals of you and your lovenone mates.

spookwoman · 12-05-2018 06:27PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

What about your fellow pro lifers who say they support euthanasia?

and the ones telling the radical queers today that should have been aborted. If that's their view they support abortion

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 06:27PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Abortions in Ireland will ramp up

Actually, a Yes vote means fewer abortions*

*In Britain and other countries.

Ally Dick wrote: »

And then euthanasia will be on the table.

We won't have a referendum on euthanasia because we don't need to change the constitution to permit it. It already does.

Ally Dick · 12-05-2018 06:28PM

erica74 wrote: »

No, your views are vile. You want to force women to be incubators. How about taking a step into the real world and accept that every woman everywhere deserves full access to medical care without having to present themselves to a committee and/or whatever else would satisfy the morals of you and your lovenone mates.

Including murder? That's too far

wexie · 12-05-2018 06:29PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

I'm in no doubt that the Yes's are going to romp.home. It'll be a sad day when it does.

It will be a glorious day!!!

Ally Dick wrote: »

And then euthanasia will be on the table.

We can only hope and work towards it I guess

applehunter · 12-05-2018 06:30PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Anyway, amid all the conspiracies over council workers doing their job and removing posters. Here's the love both crowd in the process of removing posters and putting up their own.
https://twitter.com/ericaxcarter/status/995261537840484353

How do you know they were not just making room for their own poster which would be the more logical and probable occurrence.

Have you a picture of the poll now?

12-05-2018 06:30PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Somehow while not seeing that the link between those that are likely to be in the home, and those he wants to sterilise.

No going by her posts on other topics she doesn’t.

Ally Dick · 12-05-2018 06:33PM

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

12-05-2018 06:33PM

applehunter wrote: »

How do you know they were not just making room for their own poster which would be the more logical and probable occurrence.

Have you a picture of the poll now?

Yeah that’s logical.

By the way still waiting on your answer as to why the journal should be registered with Sipo, and if the liberal is, or should be?

12-05-2018 06:34PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

Any links to evidence proving this or is it your opinion?

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 06:35PM

applehunter wrote: »

How do you know they were not just making room for their own poster which would be the more logical and probable occurrence.

Have you a picture of the poll now?

They shouldn't be touching the Yes poster at all. If there isn't enough space on the pole, they should find a different pole. They shouldn't be moving other groups posters, especially when doing so could put that poster in contravention of the minimum height requirements.

pitifulgod · 12-05-2018 06:36PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

They shouldn't be touching the Yes poster at all. If there isn't enough space on the pole, they should find a different pole. They shouldn't be moving other groups posters, especially when doing so could put that poster in contravention of the minimum height requirements.

From what I gather it has been reported to the gardai.

smartz · 12-05-2018 06:37PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

I'm in no doubt that the Yes's are going to romp.home. It'll be a sad day when it does. Pandora's Box will have been opened. Abortions in Ireland will ramp up. And then euthanasia will be on the table. The pluralists dream is complete

I can't see it being more than 45:55 one way or the other.

12-05-2018 06:37PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

There's no "fellow" anything. I don't agree with them

Then don’t state all people supporting repeal do.

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 06:38PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Somehow while not seeing that the link between those that are likely to be in the home, and those he wants to sterilise.

And what about if they happen to be pregnant on the date of their state sanctioned sterilisation?

Sofiztikated · 12-05-2018 06:38PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

How in the jaysis did you arrive at that figure?

And what of the women its negatively impacting?

erica74 · 12-05-2018 06:40PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

Where are those figures coming from?

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 06:40PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

How in the jaysis did you arrive at that figure?

Plucked from the air I'd say. Or somewhere else beginning with a.

wexie · 12-05-2018 06:40PM

erica74 wrote: »

Where are those figures coming from?

from a dark and smelly place methinks

January · 12-05-2018 06:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

As regards the benefits cap then if your contraception fails and you are completely reliant on benefits with no hope of becoming less dependent on benefits, then the first thing you need to do is consult with your GP as to how to permanently discount the risk of there being more unplanned children who your not in a position to look after.

I tried to do this btw.

After I gave birth to my son four years ago, I sat down with my a GP (not my regular GP because he wasn't available) and asked her to refer me for tubal ligation. She hmm'd and haw'd, said they wouldn't do it. I asked her to write the letter anyway, that I had 4 children and I didn't want another one because 1) we couldn't afford another one, my husband was on a CE scheme at the time and what we were being paid a week (and the 20 euro extra we were supposed to get, but actually went on taxes, which I'm not complaining about btw, but don't tell a familly they'll get 20 euro extra a week in their payment for taking up this government scheme and then take it away) barely covered feeding and clothing four kids as well as paying bills and rent, car insurance, tax, nct fee's petrol etc to get my husband to and from this job, I could go on. 2) I wasn't prepared to have my abdomen cut open giving birth again because it was the prescribed course if someone had already had two ceserean births. 3) I had actually just started applying for college again after spending 5 years at home looking after kids and wanted to better myself so we could actually afford to live.
4) I had had my lot. 4 kids in 5 years. I didn't want any more kids and neither did my husband. It would mean moving house and changing car, WHICH WE COULDN'T AFFORD!

So.... anyways. This GP sent off the letter and it took a year for me to be seen in the hospital for my appt. Off I went and sat down with the consultant. I asked for tubal ligation and he said.... No. You're too young. What if you change your mind. He actually said 'What if something happens between you and your husband and you meet someone else and want kids with them?'. Just get the mirena in.

I told him I didn't want the mirena in, I explained all of the above points 1-4 with him. I told him I wanted a permanent solution to birth control and I was very sure of my decision and would he please tie my tubes.

He agreed. BUT. He wanted me to lose 4 stone in weight before he did it, because he thought there were too many risks to doing the laprascope proceedure on obese women. We agreed that I would try to lose the weight and I would see him again in nine months.

That was in March of 2016. In April of 2016 my contraception failed and I became pregnant.

So, it's all well and good to say 'permanent measures of contraception' but it's all a load of **** anyway because currently they put so many barriers in place for people looking for these permanent measures of contraception.

conorhal · 12-05-2018 06:41PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

Quiet genocide is acceptable genocide. If nobody looks, or at least looks away, then like the Armenian genocide, we can all conveniently pretend it didn't happen.

Ally Dick · 12-05-2018 06:43PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Any links to evidence proving this or is it your opinion?

https://www.prolifecampaign.ie/main/actuarial-report-8th-amendment-saved-100000-lives/

Yer Da sells Avon · 12-05-2018 06:44PM

conorhal wrote: »

Quiet genocide is acceptable genocide. If nobody looks, or at least looks away, then like the Armenian genocide, we can all conveniently pretend it didn't happen.

With regard to your friends who had abortions, would you describe them as murderers?

12-05-2018 06:46PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

How in the jaysis did you arrive at that figure?

And what of the women its negatively impacting?

A report by the pic apparently

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/eighth-amendment-has-saved-100-000-lives-group-claims-1.2783045

splinter65 · 12-05-2018 06:46PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Nice fake rage there it’s a feature of your posts when someone shows up your poor arguement, along with trying to state the poster said something they didn’t, or you said something when you didn’t.

So no one is abused or was abused in your opinion and won’t be if they are brought back.

Your solution for those in need of social welfare is sterilisation to prevent more children so your taxes are given to them.

Yep you really love both.

You messed up by slating every care facility in the country and insulting Carers and the families of patients including me and I pulled you on it and you don’t like it. Tough.
My solution to parents conceiving another child that they can’t afford into a life of poverty and neglect is to help them find a way to stop conceiving.
You prefer to encourage a woman to keep conceiving on the grounds that she can end multiple pregnancies at will and you will maintain I’m sure that this will have no long term either physical or emotional affect in her.
Sure.

NuMarvel · 12-05-2018 06:47PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

https://www.prolifecampaign.ie/main/actuarial-report-8th-amendment-saved-100000-lives/

Ah yes. The "Report" that says if Ireland had the same abortion rate as other countries, then we'd have the same abortion rate as other countries.

I sincerely hope nobody actually paid for that.

Ave Sodalis · 12-05-2018 06:48PM

January wrote:

I tried to do this btw.

I tried to do it too, but I was just told a flat out no.

BarleySweets · 12-05-2018 06:48PM

Grayson wrote: »

I've stated clearly a few times why I'm pro choice and asked if someone would tell me where I'm wrong. Because I don't want to be wrong. No-one has actually done that.

It's a pity because the central issue of this referendum is whether or not an early stage embryo or a foetus at 12 weeks can be considered a person and should have the same rights as one.

But that’s not a central issue of this referendum at all. Where’d you get that idea? I guess you can make up your own central issues but that’s your choice and has no basis in reality beyond the breath you waste saying it. So there’s one thing you’re wrong about, I guess.

A fetus has no rights and is not considered a person until it is born. Legally or medically. That’s the fact of the matter, any other opinion or claim is literally equivalent to somebody claiming that up is down, or black is white, or the sky is red, or the moon is made of cheese.

erica74 · 12-05-2018 06:48PM

January wrote: »

I tried to do this btw.

After I gave birth to my son four years ago, I sat down with my a GP (not my regular GP because he wasn't available) and asked her to refer me for tubal ligation. She hmm'd and haw'd, said they wouldn't do it. I asked her to write the letter anyway, that I had 4 children and I didn't want another one because 1) we couldn't afford another one, my husband was on a CE scheme at the time and what we were being paid a week (and the 20 euro extra we were supposed to get, but actually went on taxes, which I'm not complaining about btw, but don't tell a familly they'll get 20 euro extra a week in their payment for taking up this government scheme and then take it away) barely covered feeding and clothing four kids as well as paying bills and rent, car insurance, tax, nct fee's petrol etc to get my husband to and from this job, I could go on. 2) I wasn't prepared to have my abdomen cut open giving birth again because it was the prescribed course if someone had already had two ceserean births. 3) I had actually just started applying for college again after spending 5 years at home looking after kids and wanted to better myself so we could actually afford to live.
4) I had had my lot. 4 kids in 5 years. I didn't want any more kids and neither did my husband. It would mean moving house and changing car, WHICH WE COULDN'T AFFORD!

So.... anyways. This GP sent off the letter and it took a year for me to be seen in the hospital for my appt. Off I went and sat down with the consultant. I asked for tubal ligation and he said.... No. You're too young. What if you change your mind. He actually said 'What if something happens between you and your husband and you meet someone else and want kids with them?'. Just get the mirena in.

I told him I didn't want the mirena in, I explained all of the above points 1-4 with him. I told him I wanted a permanent solution to birth control and I was very sure of my decision and would he please tie my tubes.

He agreed. BUT. He wanted me to lose 4 stone in weight before he did it, because he thought there were too many risks to doing the laprascope proceedure on obese women. We agreed that I would try to lose the weight and I would see him again in nine months.

That was in March of 2016. In April of 2016 my contraception failed and I became pregnant.

So, it's all well and good to say 'permanent measures of contraception' but it's all a load of **** anyway because currently they put so many barriers in place for people looking for these permanent measures of contraception.

I know someone looking for tubal ligation who was also told that.

reubenreuben · 12-05-2018 06:49PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

100,000 lives have been saved because of the 8th Amendment. There'll be 100,000 murders in the next 20 years when it's gone. Hitler would love that

And Hitler is down as one of your interests!

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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