8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

hardtrier · 10-05-2018 11:20PM

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

relax carry on · 10-05-2018 11:20PM

hardtrier wrote: »

If a foetus is not a baby, there is no need to abort it. Let the foetus develop and see if it becomes anything other than a baby. Choice is wonderful! But the time for choice is not when a baby has already been made. It is before intercourse takes place and the baby is conceived. If someone doesn't want a baby, let them not create it.

If you honestly believe this then how do you manage to tie your own shoes in the morning?

If you are posting just for a reaction then what happened to you to make you this way?

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 11:21PM

gmisk wrote: »

The donation page on the save 8th website has exactly the same thing..........

To be fair, being "just" as good as the save isn't a good enough standard, really.

hardtrier · 10-05-2018 11:22PM

Ever hear the legal maxim, "Hard cases make bad law".

Paranoid Bob · 10-05-2018 11:22PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

I really should stop feeding the trolls.

But again; try harder. That argument has also been debunked many times in this thread.

See if you can come up with something original.
Or is you goal to keep telling lies until they become the truth?

Overheal · 10-05-2018 11:23PM

spookwoman wrote: »

F**k sake
https://twitter.com/Deisesupes/status/994610065503145984

Not a lot of female representation in that group

Ave Sodalis · 10-05-2018 11:23PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

That is demonstrably untrue.

gmisk · 10-05-2018 11:23PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

To be fair, being "just" as good as the save isn't a good enough standard, really.

I agree, but just pointing it out.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 11:24PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

It is though.

Read the In Her Shoes posts on Facebook.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 11:27PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Ever hear the legal maxim, "Hard cases make bad law".

Is every case a hard case?

Overheal · 10-05-2018 11:27PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Question for "Yes" voters; if you feel that it is ok to take a child's life in the womb, would you be happy to take it's life as soon as it is born, instead? It would be the same baby but there would be no doubt about what was happening.

Ah that utterly ridiculous old slippery slope argument.

And how many countries with abortions have infant euthanasia on demand?

:rolleyes:

Bannasidhe · 10-05-2018 11:28PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

You cannot murder that which has not been born.
Michelle Harte's next-of-kin and obstetrician say differently. Michelle can't say anything as she is dead. Dead due to the fact that she wasn't allowed a termination so she could participate in a cancer treatment trial. A trial that was her only chance. To put it in your hyperbolic language she was murdered by an ethics committee that decided she could not have a termination.

Ave Sodalis · 10-05-2018 11:29PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Is every case a hard case?

I actually wonder that too. How many hard cases do you need before it becomes a good idea?

hardtrier · 10-05-2018 11:34PM

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

10-05-2018 11:34PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

Hopefully Google and Facebook will keep Soros's pro abortion propaganda out as well

Both sides affected regarding Google but only one side having a sh1t fit about it.
Both sides affected by facebook if they both have foreign based advertising.

robarmstrong · 10-05-2018 11:35PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

And there we have it.

"Keep those legs closed girls."

How original and respectful towards women.

PopePalpatine · 10-05-2018 11:36PM

So...when's this guy going to find out about what the MAP does?

Yeah_Right · 10-05-2018 11:36PM

hardtrier wrote: »

If a foetus is not a baby, there is no need to abort it. Let the foetus develop and see if it becomes anything other than a baby. Choice is wonderful! But the time for choice is not when a baby has already been made. It is before intercourse takes place and the baby is conceived. If someone doesn't want a baby, let them not create it.

Translation = close your legs, you slut.

Paranoid Bob · 10-05-2018 11:36PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

OK. Definitely Orwellian.

Bravo on your modern interpretation of 1984, but this thread is for discussing the abortion referendum, not for recreating minitrue.

10-05-2018 11:37PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

You should take this on stage, your hilarious.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 11:37PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Exactly. No-one is suggesting the murder of new-born babies. They are suggesting their murder some months before that. Vital medical treatment is never denied to anyone, pregnant women included. It suits the argument to say that it is but it any necessary treatment is given to the mother, even when it puts the unborn baby's life at risk.

Maybe you should read the thread before you display how ignorant you are of reality.

Overheal · 10-05-2018 11:38PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Ever hear the legal maxim, "Hard cases make bad law".

Ever hear that “rape makes babies too?”

robarmstrong · 10-05-2018 11:39PM

You're guaranteed three things in life.

Death.
Taxes.
New posters coming out of the woodwork to post nonsense on this thread.

Sofiztikated · 10-05-2018 11:40PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

Sure thing.

dudara · 10-05-2018 11:40PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Shoutout to all those not already aware of how to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply by abstention from sexual intercourse. That should do it. Otherwise, if couples want to avoid conception in order to plan or limit their family, it is called natural family planning, which is 100% reliable if properly used. Consider yourself informed!

Sometimes you just need a light bit of comedic relief.

Shadowstrife · 10-05-2018 11:40PM

Anyone donate money on the hacked donations page earlier today?

robarmstrong · 10-05-2018 11:41PM

dudara wrote: »

Sometimes you just need a light bit of comedic relief.

Nothing starts a night of wild spontaneous passionate sex like a good aul natural family planning session.

Ooft.

Wrongway1985 · 10-05-2018 11:41PM

hardtrier wrote: »

Ever hear the legal maxim, "Hard cases make bad law".

Doesn't apply here the bad law was made in 1983.

10 women a day travelling to acquire the service elsewhere (doesnt include does availing illegally here) that not enough for you?

hardtrier · 10-05-2018 11:42PM

With the greatest respect to this lady's bereaved, you say she was "wasn't allowed a termination so she could participate in a cancer treatment trial". A termination is not medical treatment. As for, "You cannot murder that which has not been born.", try telling that to the mother of a stillborn baby.

10-05-2018 11:42PM

Shadowstrife wrote: »

Anyone donate money on the hacked donations page earlier today?

Ddos isn't hacking its the electronic equivalent of shouting down.

8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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