8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

patrickSTARR wrote: »

If abortion is on demand here, it will normalise it, more will be tempted to terminate a pregnancy rather than keep the child.

Abortion is normal, it's already happening, has been happening for 1000's of years. It's people like you who are trying to shame and stigmatize women who have had them.

patrickSTARR wrote: »

If abortion is on demand here, it will normalise it, more will be tempted to terminate a pregnancy rather than keep the child.

Tempted... like, oh go sure I'll have one of those abortions?

You have an unkind view of people in need of a medical intervention. Massive irony points to you as well for accusing others of trivializing something so serious.

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

what are you basing that outlandish assumption on? do you think women are that fickle. "I was going to have the baby but sure the clinic is only round the corner so I might aswell"

Why is it outlandish?

Its an assumption, yes and a realistic one. I think people in general can be fickle regardless of gender.

Obviously it wont be that blunt, I think given the option some people will be more tempted to have a termination if more available to them.

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes....who have all political party leaders supporting them, who have state bodies who get tax payers money supporting yes, the media is behind yes, the celebs lets not forget them...lol
Yes side is the establishment vote.

Not all the party leaders. You have whoever's running Renua now. And Justin McCarthy. And what do you need celebrities for when you have the likes of John Waters??

RobertKK wrote: »

Of course Yes don't want a fair fight as they are worried that the No side are winning the hearts and minds for the hearts and minds of all human lives, not just some human lives.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the polls are very clear that the No side aren't winning any "hearts and minds".

RobertKK wrote: »

Are there any Yes posters up that mention the unborn given we will be voting to keep or remove their right to life?
It does appear Yes are afraid of the unborn life in this debate.
Yes for some lives matter.
No for all lives matter.

Are there any No posters up that mention the woman, considering we're talking about her rights too. Especially when our current laws are a breach of her internationally recognised human rights?

And on a related note, what are the health benefits of the 8th for the woman? How is better for her to have abortions abroad or through pills she's imported instead of under her the care and supervision of her own doctors?

patrickSTARR wrote: »

If abortion is on demand here, it will normalise it, more will be tempted to terminate a pregnancy rather than keep the child.

Abortion is already freely available on demand.
All you need is an internet connection to order the pills, and the funds to travel to the UK.
Its here, and its unrestricted, unregulated, and unsupervised.
They question is whether we want to make it safe and supervised or whether we want to continue pretending it isn't happening and continue exporting it to a foreign healthcare system.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Tempted... like, oh go sure I'll have one of those abortions?

You have an unkind view of people in need of a medical intervention. Massive irony points to you as well for accusing others of trivializing something so serious.

Not all people who have abortions aren't in need of medical intervention.

I would like those people in need of medical intervention to be able to access it, but not at the cost of healthy mothers having their unborn babies being terminated.

Walter Bishop wrote: »

It's very common among right-wing or religiously motivated moralisers that they think that once something they don't approve of is available that everyone in society will just be unable to control themselves and rush out to get gay married, have some abortions, a divorce, bit of the ol' heroin while you're at it sure why not?

The same mentality that darkly warns of the dangers of immorality running rife as we secularize society. All manner of awful crimes will surge because we no longer have the Word to guide us nor the Last Judgement to keep us in fear.

I worry about the morality and impulse control of anyone who takes such logic seriously.

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Termination of a pregnancy stops the life of an unborn child. I repeat the answer.

In your opinion. Not in mine. Why should you be able to foist your opinion on me?

patrickSTARR wrote: »

And more should be done to stop it those pills coming to Ireland, not open the flood gates

Nobody wants to stop them. Same as nobody wants to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments (the right to travel for an abortion).
They don't care so long as its happening here.
They have no problem with Irish women aborting Irish babies so long as the abortion doesn't happen in Ireland.
A bunch of absolute hypocrites.

Abortions have been happening worldwide for a millenia, worldwide. So long as women are conceiving there will be women seeking to terminate.

Voting No will NOT make this go away.

kylith wrote: »

In your opinion. Not in mine. Why should you be able to foist your opinion on me?

Because it saves the life of the unborn child.

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What evidence have you for this assertion?

All the current research shows that legal access to abortion does not increase abortion rates - which part of the research do you disagree with?

I have linked an article that explains the research in plain english and links to the academic paper for your ease of access:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/women-in-countries-where-abortion-is-illegal-just-as-likely-to-have-one-as-countries-where-it-is-a7025671.html


What probably WILL happen is that we will realise the true abortion rate in Ireland is higher than we thought because currently many of the abortions sought by Irish women are invisible to the statistics - we dont know how many women are taking pills bought online or how many women seek abortions outside of the UK or how many seek abortions in the UK but use a UK address.

The abortions are already happening and women are constitutionally protected to seek abortion outside of Ireland.

There is nothing to suggest that it will become any more "normalised" as you state. In fact, the opposite is likely to happen.

When a woman is not pressured by having organised travel and invested money in flights and hotels, she might have a chance to catch her breath and change her mind. It will be much easier to walk away from an abortion that is accessed easily than one you have to jump through hoops for.[/quote]
I'm sorry but your wrong,
I lived in northern England for a time in my youth and abortion was used like a headache tablet on the surrounding estate ,
When the YES goes through which it will we need educate people so it doesn't end up like that here,

patrickSTARR wrote: »

Not all people who have abortions aren't in need of medical intervention.

I would like those people in need of medical intervention to be able to access it, but not at the cost of healthy mothers having their unborn babies being terminated.

It is surgery or at least a prescribed medical intervention with some unpleasantness and possible side effects as a risk. You are assuming that decision will be entered into lightly, like someone mulling over a second slice of cake. That judgement on your part is unjustified, unfair and unkind.

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No, no. You see, once they stop the pills, then they can ban clothes hangers. And then they just start tying pregnant women to the bed and ensuring that they're chaperoned at all times.

It's a simple problem, you just have to think outside the box.