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Postgrad10 · 08-05-2018 03:49PM

They did play the music but it was slower to come on and wasn't on as long.

Postgrad10 · 08-05-2018 03:55PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

does aidan's depression / suicidal tendency stem back to when he give the kidney to carla? - only you saw him with a tormented look on his face then , but in front of everyone else at that time he was acting like it was no big deal and that he was brave but when the camera's turned to him when no-one was looking he looked very pained and tormented

That's interesting. Because I immediately thought that donors and recipients get counselling before and after a transplant. The pressure of it certainly would have impacted in his mental state.

skearnsot · 08-05-2018 04:04PM

bobsman wrote: »

How is Michelle related to Aidan?? No doubt there will be preposterous overacting. Not forgetting, Carla boozing big time and will try to shag Peter, Robert, or whoever for comfort :rolleyes:

She might try Ken this time for ****s n giggles

Andy From Sligo · 08-05-2018 04:16PM

my God though Alyiah's mourning for aidan is going to be unbearable - look how upset and playing the 'poor me' card after luke died and what she only went out with him for a week or so ...

JP Liz V1 · 08-05-2018 04:31PM

When Billy looks at Summer's laptop, he's concerned to see she's been using a forum for people who've lost someone through suicide.

Michelle reveals the contents of Aidan's will.

Michelle also reveals that she's cancelled the wedding as it wouldn't be right so soon after Aidan's death. But when Ali suggests that perhaps a small family wedding is what they all need and offers to help organise it, Robert reckons it's a good idea.

Summer reveals her idea for an initiative called 'Speak & Save' to encourage young men to talk about mental health.

jos28 · 08-05-2018 05:08PM

I've just caught up on last night's episodes and I'm drained. The scenes between Eva and Aidan were heart breaking. I thought Aidan's scenes were superbly written and acted. It was hard to watch when we all knew the outcome. Looking at the signs - unusual behaviour, saying his goodbyes, giving away his possessions and gifts , sorting out his affairs etc made me want to shout at the screen and tell him not to do it. So much love in those scenes with Eva, the chance of happiness with a family, business going well and yet he is in such a dark place.
Brilliantly done and if it makes someone else feeling so disconnected reach out it will be a job well done by all concerned.

skearnsot · 08-05-2018 05:14PM

jos28 wrote: »

I've just caught up on last night's episodes and I'm drained. The scenes between Eva and Aidan were heart breaking. I thought Aidan's scenes were superbly written and acted. It was hard to watch when we all knew the outcome. Looking at the signs - unusual behaviour, saying his goodbyes, giving away his possessions and gifts , sorting out his affairs etc made me want to shout at the screen and tell him not to do it. So much love in those scenes with Eva, the chance of happiness with a family, business going well and yet he is in such a dark place.
Brilliantly done and if it makes someone else feeling so disconnected reach out it will be a job well done by all concerned.

The scenes with Eva were the most heartbreaking- in dreading the scenes with Johnny - I love johnny - poor fella.

jos28 · 08-05-2018 05:21PM

skearnsot wrote: »

The scenes with Eva were the most heartbreaking- in dreading the scenes with Johnny - I love johnny - poor fella.

The scenes with Johnny and Jenny in the park were exceptionally poignant too. The way she described losing her son and he was doing his best to comfort her, not knowing what was facing him - I was bawling.

drugstore cowboy · 08-05-2018 05:32PM

Words I thought I'd never say but the Daily Mail review was fantastic.

What made the Aidan Connor storyline in Coronation Street so undeniably bold was it was not just a moving denouement for him as a (fictional) individual but a brave statement about an ongoing, awful, epidemic afflicting men all over Britain.

In most soaps Aidan’s realisation that Toyah Battersby’s baby (Susie) was really his and handed over to her by his former fiancée (Eva) after she’d given birth in secret would have been treated as a drama, causing all kinds of histrionics and storylines involving custody battles, kidnappings, and Aidan hooking up with Toyah.
Here what was so impressive – and darkly realistic – was that it just plunged Aidan into a spiral of bleakness he couldn’t get out of.

We didn’t see him actually commit suicide (thankfully) but its conclusion was almost equally harrowing: ending abruptly after a final shot showing him at home on the sofa sobbing, and a close-up of tears streaming down his face.

The negative fate Aidan suffers is undoubtedly more powerful than a positive ending would have been.
But with so many men knowing how he’s feeling if the show wanted to stress the importance of talking perhaps it could have saved him and shown them it’s never too late.

full article in link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5703913/Aidan-Connors-exit-Coronation-Street-Jim-Shelley.html

NoviGlitzko · 08-05-2018 05:39PM

Late to the thread as well but I was troubled by the scenes last night. Don't think I'll hear 'Cosmic Love' again without immediately thinking of these scenes. Aidan was my favourite character in the show and I always liked Eva and him together. A huge part of me wanted them to grab the baby and head off to America together but I can also see the importance of highlighting a sensitive issue as suicide.

Still disappointed regardless. I'll miss these characters.

jos28 · 08-05-2018 05:58PM

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Late to the thread as well but I was troubled by the scenes last night. Don't think I'll hear 'Cosmic Love' again without immediately thinking of these scenes. Aidan was my favourite character in the show and I always liked Eva and him together. A huge part of me wanted them to grab the baby and head off to America together but I can also see the importance of highlighting a sensitive issue as suicide.

Still disappointed regardless. I'll miss these characters.

I'll miss them too, loved Eva's character. Hope they both do well outside Corrie

threetrees · 08-05-2018 06:22PM

OfTheMarsWongs wrote: »

I’m not sure if many noticed but instead of going straight to credits last night, it faded to black before the credits.

Aidan, surrounded by an all encompassing blackness. Very well done.

Yes, I noticed and thought it was very well done
The last few minutes inside Aidan's head, all the chatter merging into one incomprehensible babble and then the black screen. Very creative and poignant.

happyday · 08-05-2018 07:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. The secret is Eva in the cottage. He doesn't know the truth about the baby. When he was holding Suzie he realised what he would never have with Eva(or anyone else). If he knew the truth, there might be hope, but he felt there was no hope. Its when you think there is no hope, you despair and when you can't think of a solution, there's only one logical way out.

If that's right then where did he think Eva's baby was? He asked her how the baby was. If he thought she was still pregnant he would have asked how Eva was.

08-05-2018 08:29PM

happyday wrote: »

If that's right then where did he think Eva's baby was? He asked her how the baby was. If he thought she was still pregnant he would have asked how Eva was.

Apparently I got that wrong but it certainly wasn't made clear to me during the episode that he knew the truth. Shayne Ward clarified it in an interview but that shouldn't be necessary.

Did anyone else notice Eva's bump? Maybe it was just the clothes she was wearing but when she got up to answer the door it certainly looked like she had a bump and so I assumed Aidan thought she was still pregnant. The confusion isnt helped by us not seeing Aidan look in Toyahs bag or any other clue as to how he knew where Eva was and so how he learnt the truth.

The acting was phenomenal but I think the writing was poor.

Pretzill · 08-05-2018 08:47PM

I understand the power of a storyline like Aidan's but imo soap could steer away from the darkness. The real issues as they call them It's not like there isn't enough darkness there.

Look at David's story and all he and his family have been through his mental health truly tested, look at the wake of Phelan's serial killings which could effect many people living on the street - Adam was heading towards a.similiar fate to Aidan some weeks ago following
the story about his late mother.

I hope that this will make others in a similar situation talk before it's too late but I often think watching something (which is essentially escapism) could have the opposite effect and cause just a tad more darkness in someone's day -

I think the writers and producers are trying too hard - back to the pathos, the clever and smart writing methinks.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-05-2018 08:51PM

Women's treatment of men can cause a lot of suicide. Guys can take rejection very hard.

Livvie · 08-05-2018 08:54PM

If the idea is to get potential suicides to talk things through - why isn't the story depicting that with a positive conclusion?

BorneTobyWilde · 08-05-2018 08:59PM

Pretzill wrote: »

I understand the power of a storyline like Aidan's but imo soap could steer away from the darkness. The real issues as they call them It's not like there isn't enough darkness there.

Look at David's story and all he and his family have been through his mental health truly tested, look at the wake of Phelan's serial killings which could effect many people living on the street - Adam was heading towards a.similiar fate to Aidan some weeks ago following
the story about his late mother.

I hope that this will make others in a similar situation talk before it's too late but I often think watching something (which is essentially escapism) could have the opposite effect and cause just a tad more darkness in someone's day -

I think the writers and producers are trying too hard - back to the pathos, the clever and smart writing methinks.

It can actually glorify it also. It's an insight to the aftermath and if it's favourable in the eyes of some then they can follow suit.

BorneTobyWilde · 08-05-2018 09:00PM

Livvie wrote: »

If the idea is to get potential suicides to talk things through - why isn't the story depicting that with a positive conclusion?

I know what you mean. From my point of view it's encouraging .

08-05-2018 09:32PM

Livvie wrote: »

If the idea is to get potential suicides to talk things through - why isn't the story depicting that with a positive conclusion?

Absolutely. Thats also why I think him knowing the baby is his and him knowing Eva is still in tbe UK doesn't make sense.

I think it should have been:

He thinks Eva is gone to America for good and his chance of salvaging things are dashed. He sees no future and no way out. And attempts suicide, is found/saved, discovers the truth about Eva and the baby and they patch things up and theres a positive outcome.

fin12 · 08-05-2018 09:47PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Women's treatment of men can cause a lot of suicide. Guys can take rejection very hard.

And guys treat women just as bad. A lot of guys now don’t even have the decency to tell someone it’s over instead you will just be ignored point blank.

And in Aidan’s case he wasn’t rejected by a woman, he was the one who had an affair. I don’t agree with what Eva did after she found out he was having an affair though.

SirChenjin · 08-05-2018 10:10PM

Pretzill wrote: »

I understand the power of a storyline like Aidan's but imo soap could steer away from the darkness. The real issues as they call them It's not like there isn't enough darkness there.

Look at David's story and all he and his family have been through his mental health truly tested, look at the wake of Phelan's serial killings which could effect many people living on the street - Adam was heading towards a.similiar fate to Aidan some weeks ago following
the story about his late mother.

I hope that this will make others in a similar situation talk before it's too late but I often think watching something (which is essentially escapism) could have the opposite effect and cause just a tad more darkness in someone's day -

I think the writers and producers are trying too hard - back to the pathos, the clever and smart writing methinks.

I agree. I was an avid Corrie watcher but I have dropped it completely for the past year. I know it can't be all lightness and fun, since it is supposed to be relatively 'real'... but it seems to have become very dark.

I always liked Aidan / Shayne, I thought he played a credible part. Hope that he has further success in the future.

Cash_Q · 08-05-2018 10:36PM

I agree that Aidan's scenes were pretty upsetting to watch. Definitely upset me and brought me back to a place I had moved on from. I've really struggled all day today as a result.

As for Eva's bump, it is totally normal for any woman who's just given birth to have a bump for some time afterwards.

angel eyes 2012 · 08-05-2018 10:54PM

Postgrad10 wrote: »

That's interesting. Because I immediately thought that donors and recipients get counselling before and after a transplant. The pressure of it certainly would have impacted in his mental state.

Yes donors see a psychiatrist and a social worker before and after the procedure. As someone who went through a transplant, I have to say Corrie handled that entire story very badly as it did not mirror real life at all.

SirChenjin · 08-05-2018 10:56PM

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Yes donors see a psychiatrist and a social worker before and after the procedure. As someone who went through a transplant, I have to say Corrie handled that entire story very badly as it did not mirror real life at all.

I didn't see it, but I have to say, it wouldn't be the first time that they handled a sensitive storyline extremely badly.

I hope that you are doing well.

angel eyes 2012 · 08-05-2018 11:11PM

SirChenjin wrote: »

I didn't see it, but I have to say, it wouldn't be the first time that they handled a sensitive storyline extremely badly.

I hope that you are doing well.

I am doing brilliantly thank you. I just thought Corrie missed an opportunity to raise awareness. Don't get me wrong, it's only a soap and not reality but they often promote various other sensitive health/social issues by placing a helpline number up during the credits. Bethany's and Michelle's recent storylines for example.

The kidney transplant storyline was like Dr. Ali's credentials as a gp, extremely dubious and just wrong! I just laughed watching Carla, looking perfect all the time while she was supposedly dying but then Tracy's kidney transplant story is rarely mentioned either...

Andy From Sligo · 09-05-2018 01:17AM

ive changed my stance on this , and yes think they should have just had him attempt suicide but found and saved - maybe by his dad or toya or eva , and then if he wanted to leave the soap or if the producers got rid of him they could have just had him go off for a new life somewhere away from the street (after getting counselling and also showing the viewers him getting counselling and feeling happier and glad that he was saved from suicide. - Corrie didnt need to re-enforce the fact that people carry through suicide to the end, we know that goes on .. it would have been far more constructive and helpful if they showed him being saved and getting help and ending up being happy (or happier) as also what happens in real life with some fortunate people who's suicide was a cry for help or if some family member or friend found them in time before it was too late.

drugstore cowboy · 09-05-2018 07:39AM

I'm more than okay that a tv show played out a suicide to the end, there should never be an obligation that tough storylines get a positive ending and it seems Aidan's suicide will affect a character in the show leading him to open up about his recent life destroying event and how it makes him want to live and survive and I'm sure some other glimmers of hope and defiance will be shown from other residents.

I suffer from severe mental health issues personally and have also lost two close friends over the last 10 years to suicide but I'm still glad there was not a happy ending as it's quite okay for a fictional show to show a slice of real life and they handled it brilliantly. I'm guessing the stand out performer in the upcoming months will be Johnny, the actor is good and has always portrayed the gruff but caring type of fella in a natural manner.

Greybottle · 09-05-2018 08:20AM

I think if they write it well, then the story of how suicide can affect those left behind can be groundbreaking. I've seen different reactions to suicide, one of the is touched on above, where kate will feel that what Aiden did was selfish. There are many sides to suicide and it would be great if corrie could work on a few of them over the following months.

I think it's been hinted at that David may be contemplating suicide after his rape, maybe that's why he got in touch with Becky. So Aiden's death may work to turn him off that if he sees the impact it leaves on families.

There's a very long way to go in this, I hope they don't drop it liked they dropped Steve's depression. Ken's stroke rehab or how Carla dealt with the transplant.

bobsman · 09-05-2018 09:05AM

Greybottle wrote: »

I think if they write it well, then the story of how suicide can affect those left behind can be groundbreaking. I've seen different reactions to suicide, one of the is touched on above, where kate will feel that what Aiden did was selfish. There are many sides to suicide and it would be great if corrie could work on a few of them over the following months.

I think it's been hinted at that David may be contemplating suicide after his rape, maybe that's why he got in touch with Becky. So Aiden's death may work to turn him off that if he sees the impact it leaves on families.

There's a very long way to go in this, I hope they don't drop it liked they dropped Steve's depression. Ken's stroke rehab or how Carla dealt with the transplant.

The potential is huge but unfortunately, the majority of actors/characters involved are woeful. Kate, Michelle, Jenny, Carla. The only two who will do it justice are johnny and Eva.

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