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Is Islam right for Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    There's a problem with white American Christians shooting kids in schools and blowing up churches .
    Let's ban America. And Jesus.

    #MakeIrelandGreatAgain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    I live in predominantly Muslim country neighbouring Saudi Arabia and there is a Christian church within walking distance from my apartment. Should I deny the Arabs in Dublin the same rights they've afforded the religion of my birth here? The Saudis aren't the be all and end all of Arab Muslims.

    I live in Malaysia. Right next door to my condo building, in fact I look down on the spire from my apartment, is a Catholic Church called the Holy Rosary. Across the road out the front is a Buddist temple and further up the same street a Hindu one. I can see the National Mosque (and occasionally hear it) from my rooms too.

    Basically, 4 religions within a short walking distance and not a problem is had.

    This Islam bashing is getting tiresome. Some of my favorite people, including my kinda boyfriend are Muslims and it doesn't matter a jot to any of us.

    I am atheist. I think let people believe what they want as long as it makes them happy. Anyone who thinks Islam is going to change Ireland negatively may check themselves into a hospital coz they are not well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Witchie wrote: »
    I live in Malaysia. Right next door to my condo building, in fact I look down on the spire from my apartment, is a Catholic Church called the Holy Rosary. Across the road out the front is a Buddist temple and further up the same street a Hindu one. I can see the National Mosque (and occasionally hear it) from my rooms too.

    Basically, 4 religions within a short walking distance and not a problem is had.

    This Islam bashing is getting tiresome. Some of my favorite people, including my kinda boyfriend are Muslims and it doesn't matter a lot to any of us.

    I am atheist. I think let people believe what they want as long as it makes them happy. Anyone who thinks Islam is going to change Ireland negatively may check themselves into a hospital coz they are not well.

    Woah, woah, woah woah..... WOAH! Just hold up one bloody minute. Hold the bloody phone!!!!!........ What in the actual Holy Father of Potato is a "kinda boyfriend"????? What is this witchcraft???!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    What if Islam was so right for Ireland that it became the far right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    jaxxx wrote: »
    What in the actual Holy Father of Potato is a "kinda boyfriend"????? What is this witchcraft???!


    It's a considerate young gentleman who graciously allows young ladies to temporarily avail of the use of his genitals whenever the young lady is in particular need


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    It's a considerate young gentleman who graciously allows young ladies to temporarily avail of the use of his genitals whenever the young lady is in particular need

    Not entirely true.....we are just in the early flush of the relationship, still dating others but kinda semi serious.

    Anyway we digress.

    The more anti-muslim rhethoric, the more you encourage fundamentalism. The more oppressed or victimised a person feels, the more they are likely to seek extreme reparation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It's a considerate young gentleman who graciously allows young ladies to temporarily avail of the use of his genitals whenever the young lady is in particular need
    Witchie wrote: »
    Not entirely true.....we are just in the early flush of the relationship, still dating others but kinda semi serious.

    sorry, i'll fix me post
    It's a one of a number of considerate young gentleman gentlemen who graciously allows that young ladies lady to temporarily avail of the use of his their genitals currently whenever the young lady is in particular need


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    the vast majority of Muslims dont cause any problem, but there are groups of young men who see western society as a playground for them and view us as inferior.
    eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes


    Taharrush gamea- it's supposed to be some kind of mass sexual assualt/groping ritual, it might be considered as 'old testament' and rejected by most Muslims, Im not really sure, the right has clinged on to it for use in their Anti Muslim rhetoric , so its difficult to know how much of it is true,

    for the links below Ive avoided the dailymail and braitbart, but also huffpost because it seemed to go the total opposite direction with its reporting

    https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/31622/they-call-it-taharrush-gamea/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault_in_Egypt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    I hate the fact that I dont know if this thread was started by a troll/shítposter, or someone genuine who wants to understand whats going on in Europe at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,912 ✭✭✭SeantheMan


    thebull85 wrote: »
    But there is a huge problem with Islamic terrorism as we all know.

    I think we should be keeping the number of muslim migrants or refugees coming into this country at the absolute bare minimum but it doesnt seem to me like thats whats happening at the moment.

    Islam according to Wikipedia has 1.8 billion followers, or 24.1% of Earth's population. Of course there will be a few extremists, but you are judging a whole group of people based on these.

    Should we judge all the Catholics/Christians in Ireland...I'm sure most were raised that way (80+%) on the actions of the Catholic Church in recent history.
    Or you could go back to the ol Spanish Inquisition, they were a great bunch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Turn the clocks back 25 years ago, how would you feel if you were banned from entering the UK because you were Irish Catholic and potentially an IRA terrorist. That's what the problem boils down to, it's become OK to assume not all Muslims, but any Muslims could be members of an extremist group like ISIS, the Tallaght Band or some Shi'ite like that. When in actual fact they are probably the doctors doing their best to solve the trolley crisis.

    This too shall pass.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Alot of what people think is Islamic terrorism is actually just different tribes fighting for control of resources. They want to tax everyone in their controlled territories , its not really about religion, its just conquerors wearing religious garb


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    SeantheMan wrote: »
    Islam according to Wikipedia has 1.8 billion followers, or 24.1% of Earth's population. Of course there will be a few extremists, but you are judging a whole group of people based on these.

    Should we judge all the Catholics/Christians in Ireland...I'm sure most were raised that way (80+%) on the actions of the Catholic Church in recent history.
    Or you could go back to the ol Spanish Inquisition, they were a great bunch.

    That number has doubled since I was in school, when there were just over 5 billion people on earth. So basically half of people being born today are Muslims? Or is there mass conversion underway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    I'd be more inclined to think that the(far) right aren't right for Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,301 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    It's become clearly obvious that all humans should be banned from Ireland, we re simply too scary for each other with our different views and stuff


  • Posts: 883 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not Islam as a religion per as, more how it is secretive and non integrative.

    And before anyone throws rocks, I went to mosque for about 4 months. Still always talked about as the white guy !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Ak84


    I wouldn't class 1 religion as any better or worse than another. There are all ****. ☺


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Islam is not a single faith. It's a mixture of hundreds of beliefs based on an original movement, but has been interpreted in many different manners. This focus on 'Islam' is the result of media hysterics. The vast majority of Islamic people are peaceful people with very family orientated values.

    However, when it comes to religious law and it's implementation within the west, I do have an issue with 'Islamic' laws. These were laws that were created in a completely different environment, with a different cultural/historical background than in the west, and aren't suitable here.

    But then I feel the same, in many ways, about any religious laws that seek to be more important than State law. I have no issue with "Islamic people" being in Europe, as long as there is the clear awareness that Sharia law or any other such religious law will not be integrated into our own culture, and that the Host countries laws are top dog in every way.

    As for terrorists, that's not the fault of Muslim people any more than the terrorists in the North were my fault.

    Apply reasonable terms for the entrance of immigrants into Europe, treat them fairly, and apply the law to them should they break the rules. Same as it is for everyone else. Should they repeat the crimes, revoke their visas, and never allow them to return. Simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Islam like the other great religions (Christian & Jewish) has it's origins in an illiterate man in the desert hearing a voice in the sky and starting from there. Somehow what was heard managed to be exactly transcribed in spite of a vast gap in time between the revelation and the transcription..

    Islam had for a vast period of it's history (in spite of a early split) led the way in developing sciences and learning. It's a long time since Islamic Golden Age though. A large section of Islamic culture, has turned it's back on reason and enquiry and have regressed to a culture a lot of which is tied to the rambling a 7th century lunatic. The sect of Wahhabism, which has benefitted greatly from it's ties with Saudi money, has become the dominant force within the muslim world in spite of it's tiny numbers.

    For Islam to integrate and to add to Western culture, it needs to counter sects like Wahhabism and their influence and bring back a Golden Age of learning.

    The Jews with their equally ridiculous origins, but with a tiny population ( without Googling I'm going to guess less than 20m) have had a massive influence on Western culture and continue to be leaders in science, literature, medicine etc. Compare Nobel laureates; Jews make up over 20% of winners from less than 0.2% of the world's population. 1.4% of winners have been Muslim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    As has been shown here recently no religion is right for Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    ford2600 wrote: »

    The Jews with their equally ridiculous origins, but with a tiny population ( without Googling I'm going to guess less than 20m) have had a massive influence on Western culture and continue to be leaders in science, literature, medicine etc. Compare Nobel laureates; Jews make up over 20% of winners from less than 0.2% of the world's population. 1.4% of winners have been Muslim.

    Yes, this figure is staggering, 20% of Nobel prizes with well less than 1% of the world's population.

    Plus huge successes in music and film, etc.

    What a remarkably talented group of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Yes Islam is perfect for Ireland.

    Degradation of women, hatred for the gays, backward looking focus on a single bloody book. Seems like the perfect match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,364 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    After Hours, where if it’s not women and feminism that everyone’s ranting about, it’s Islam.

    The travelers are getting a fierce handy time of it these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    OK. Should we think about deporting people? Maybe people without a degree. Useless arts degrees maybe? Anyone that might have a protestant in their family tree?

    Ireland is full and the brains here that got us here will sort it out. Right so.

    Maybe start with those who have failed in their false bids for asylum??


  • Site Banned Posts: 406 ✭✭Pepefrogok


    A lot of people in here professing in depth knowledge of Islam, saying it's only a tiny majority are "extremists" well that simply depends on where you set the bar for extremism??? If a person thinks someone who leaves their religion (apostasy) should be murdered then would you consider them an extremist? Death to gays? That a woman should be covers up at all times and have less rights including inheritance rights? That if someone offends God or his messenger they should be killed?

    I hate to break it to you liberals, I know yous are coming from a good place and don't want to sew division but yous are wrong, all polling points towards a majority of Muslims the planet wide failing my benchmark for being radical, every country where Islam has came to and became even a moderate minority has came to regret it, of all the times it has been tried Muslims growing their percentage of the population in a country has failed and let to bloodshed, Europe won't be different, Ireland won't be different. If you believe I am wrong then just find me an example, just one solitary example of where adherents of Islam becoming more represented in a country has been a good thing? Even if you find one it will be a lonely example in a sea of where it went wrong!

    This is a perfect example of it and because it was written over 10 years ago we can actually judge it with hindsight, look at wether the examples given have became better or worse? Has the percentage of Muslims grown? Basically is what he saying correct? No opinions, guess work or feelings, just facts.

    In Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam,” he documents the way Muslims slowly develop a presence in various countries and as their population numbers build, become more aggressive and assertive about exercising Sharia law.

    “Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life,” Dr. Hammond notes in his book. “Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.”

    Their takeover of a country, what Dr. Hammond refers to as “Islamization,” begins when the population of Muslims reaches a critical mass, and they being to agitate for various privileges.

    Open, free, democratic societies are particularly vulnerable. “When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well,” he notes.


    This is how it works, according to Dr. Hammond:

    When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the current situation in:

    United States — Muslim 0.6%

    Australia — Muslim 1.5%

    Canada — Muslim 1.9%

    China — Muslim 1.8%

    Italy — Muslim 1.5%

    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%

    Germany — Muslim 3.7%

    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

    Spain — Muslim 4%

    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    “From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population,” Dr. Hammond notes. “For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food” and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature such food on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:

    France — Muslim 8%

    Philippines — 5%

    Sweden — Muslim 5%

    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

    Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).

    “When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions,” Dr. Hammond notes. “In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.” These tensions are seen on a regular basis in:

    Guyana — Muslim 10%

    India — Muslim 13.4%

    Israel — Muslim 16%

    Kenya — Muslim 10%

    Russia — Muslim 15%

    The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. “After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,” such as in:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    “At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare,” such as in:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%

    Chad — Muslim 53.1%

    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, persecution of non-believing “infidels” rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania — Muslim 70%

    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%

    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%

    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

    Egypt — Muslim 90%

    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

    Iran — Muslim 98%

    Iraq — Muslim 97%

    Jordan — Muslim 92%

    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

    Pakistan — Muslim 97%

    Palestine — Muslim 99%

    Syria — Muslim 90%

    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    The Saudis aren't the be all and end all of Arab Muslims.

    Name a Muslim country where homosexuality is legal.


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    After Hours, where if it’s not women and feminism that everyone’s ranting about, it’s Islam.

    The travelers are getting a fierce handy time of it these days.

    Personally, I prefer the ranting than shutting down all discussion on a topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Im not sure I'd be crazy about French levels of Islam in Ireland


    https://www.rt.com/news/424405-toulouse-riots-woman-niqab/

    A deprived district of Toulouse, France has been rocked by two nights of furious riots, triggered by the arrest of a woman who refused to remove her Islamic full-face veil for police. Some 18 people were arrested.


    Hundreds of police units were deployed after young residents threw stones, torched cars and set fire to garbage cans, police told the AFP. The clashes began on Sunday afternoon in the Toulouse district of Bellefontaine after a woman wearing a full-face veil – which is illegal in France – was stopped by the police for an identity check.

    Hundreds of policemen were mobilised during the clashes in Reynerie with around 15 cars set on fire by rioters and around 300 tear gas grenades launched in the crowd.

    “The clashes were extremely violent. My colleagues were very shocked, the events were very complicated to manage but they showed a lot of composure,” said spokesperson Didier Martinez.

    “There was clearly an intention to attack the police,” said district police officer Arnaud Bavois describing scenes of “great violence” during the riots. The high-risk districts of Reynerie, Bellefontaine and Mirail in Toulouse, are identified as priority security areas.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭CarlosHarpic


    As a Pagan, I despise Christianity as much as Islam, as Crusade and Jihad are two sides of the same desert death cult coin. Neither religion will ever be right for Ireland.

    The OP is correct, Islam is the new Abrahamic mind virus from the east. Be very concerned.

    It took Christianity the better part of 2000 years to stop slaughtering Jews, Cathars, Pagans and well as anyone else. I expect Islam to be no different in this regard

    Also, the Irish who support Gaza/Palestinian causes are spreading Jihad by the back door.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Name a Muslim country where homosexuality is legal.

    Turkey


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