Proposed suckler cow subsidy

Figerty · 13-04-2018 10:19PM

Willfarman wrote: »

I wonder is it possible to for suckler cows to get any nutritional benefit from eating petitions!!

No, but the forestry crowd will get some benefit...

memorystick · 13-04-2018 11:50PM

Lads don't have to keep as many sucklers. They have their SFP and GLAS. Just cut numbers and go fishing or something. You'll still get mental therapy from the land with less stress.

Willfarman · 14-04-2018 11:23AM

memorystick wrote: »

Lads don't have to keep as many sucklers. They have their SFP and GLAS. Just cut numbers and go fishing or something. You'll still get mental therapy from the land with less stress.

Don't be talking sense like that man! Remember our export targets....

charolais0153 · 14-04-2018 11:47AM

memorystick wrote: »

Lads don't have to keep as many sucklers. They have their SFP and GLAS. Just cut numbers and go fishing or something. You'll still get mental therapy from the land with less stress.

Same with all farmers. Suckler farmes arent the ones under the most stress in my opinion.

farawaygrass · 14-04-2018 04:51PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Same with all farmers. Suckler farmes arent the ones under the most stress in my opinion.

Who ate? They must be a close second. Tillage men top of list maybe?

charolais0153 · 14-04-2018 05:18PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Who ate? They must be a close second. Tillage men top of list maybe?

Dairy farmers who are out of fodder

Base price · 14-04-2018 07:13PM

memorystick wrote: »

Lads don't have to keep as many sucklers. They have their SFP and GLAS. Just cut numbers and go fishing or something. You'll still get mental therapy from the land with less stress.

+1
That's my plan and I'm starting to execute it.

Base price · 14-04-2018 07:22PM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Who ate? They must be a close second. Tillage men top of list maybe?

There is a serious amount of stubbles not ploughed let alone sown with Spring crops. I attended a funeral during the week in NCD and I was surprised how much land was in stubbles. As a livestock farmer I'm more than aware that the number of tillage farmers entering dairying will IMO add to a shortage of straw this Autumn/Winter.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/many-spring-crop-options-past-their-optimum-teagasc-362045

Figerty · 14-04-2018 09:23PM

Base price wrote: »

+1
That's my plan and I'm starting to execute it.

Same here.

farawaygrass · 15-04-2018 07:49AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Dairy farmers who are out of fodder

True enough, must be a nightmare

farawaygrass · 15-04-2018 07:54AM

Base price wrote: »

There is a serious amount of stubbles not ploughed let alone sown with Spring crops. I attended a funeral during the week in NCD and I was surprised how much land was in stubbles. As a livestock farmer I'm more than aware that the number of tillage farmers entering dairying will IMO add to a shortage of straw this Autumn/Winter.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/many-spring-crop-options-past-their-optimum-teagasc-362045

Straw availability going forward has to be a bit of a concern.

wrangler · 15-04-2018 07:59AM

farawaygrass wrote: »

Straw availability going forward has to be a bit of a concern.

I was talking to a tillage farmer yesterday and he commented that the weather was getting to be a huge concern, he'll chop a lot more straw if weather is dicey from now on

Who2 · 15-04-2018 10:11AM

wrangler wrote: »

I was talking to a tillage farmer yesterday and he commented that the weather was getting to be a huge concern, he'll chop a lot more straw if weather is dicey from now on

A few of the tillage boys around me are selling the straw on the ledge but they take everything and its up to whoever buys to save it and it will be dropped when it suits tillage man. its a fair enough way imo as tillage lads have enough going on without trying to bale up straw and lads taking the bales from the middle and leaving around the ditches.

blue5000 · 15-04-2018 01:50PM

Base price wrote: »

There is a serious amount of stubbles not ploughed let alone sown with Spring crops. I attended a funeral during the week in NCD and I was surprised how much land was in stubbles. As a livestock farmer I'm more than aware that the number of tillage farmers entering dairying will IMO add to a shortage of straw this Autumn/Winter.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/many-spring-crop-options-past-their-optimum-teagasc-362045

Those lads know their own land, soil might be too wet and cold still to start ploughing. I've none ploughed yet.

Willfarman · 11-05-2018 10:49AM

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-hints-at-early-slaughter-premium-to-support-sucker-herd/

Never wrestle with pigs · 11-05-2018 11:16AM

Willfarman wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-hints-at-early-slaughter-premium-to-support-sucker-herd/

Forcing lads to carry less cows and finish their bulls ? More cheep meat for Larry?

Bass Reeves · 11-05-2018 11:25AM

Willfarman wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-hints-at-early-slaughter-premium-to-support-sucker-herd/

From reading the article it will be just another line Larry's and millers pockets solution. Any early slaughter subsidity could be set at 16 months for bulls and 2 years for steers and heifers. This will involve more concentrate feeding and mid late winter finishing of steers. Suckler premium is a dead duck from the article just as well it was a line Larry,s pocket solution as well. If processors want suckler type cattle let them pay the premium.

Hearing that sub 30 months friesians are being flat priced at present as processors look for inspec carcasses for UK market.

White Clover · 11-05-2018 11:45AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

From reading the article it will be just another line Larry's and millers pockets solution. Any early slaughter subsidity could be set at 16 months for bulls and 2 years for steers and heifers. This will involve more concentrate feeding and mid late winter finishing of steers. Suckler premium is a dead duck from the article just as well it was a line Larry,s pocket solution as well. If processors want suckler type cattle let them pay the premium.

Hearing that sub 30 months friesians are being flat priced at present as processors look for inspec carcasses for UK market.

What are u hearing for the friesians bass?

orchard farm · 11-05-2018 12:30PM

If the idea of supporting the suckler cow is to keep jobs in marginal land areas,how are we supposed to finish the cattle early on heather and sprat?bit of a joke of an idea in all fairness

Willfarman · 11-05-2018 12:32PM

The only logical way to put money in farm families pockets is premiums for environmentally friendly extensive suckler cow systems. Any subsidy coupled to production is going to wind up in pockets of the beef barons as it always has.

16 month bull beef stuffed for 8 months with imported gm maize is more carbon friendly than 3 quarters the number of cows and 28 month old grass fed steer beef?

orchard farm · 11-05-2018 12:37PM

Willfarman wrote: »

The only logical way to put money in farm families pockets is premiums for environmentally friendly extensive suckler cow systems. Any subsidy coupled to production is going to wind up in pockets of the beef barons as it always has.

16 month bull beef stuffed for 8 months with imported gm maize is more carbon friendly than 3 quarters the number of cows and 28 month old grass fed steer beef?

I agree totally,something like high nature value farming would be a lot more sustainable policy for rural Ireland,the burren life project is doing wonders for their local economy

Bullocks · 11-05-2018 01:29PM

Creed is not really commiting to much from that article . I'm finding him watery enough .
At least Coveny knew what he wanted even if it didn't suit us .
Beef finishers will be trying to heaven early kill on poor dairy bull offspring(Jersey influence and very very easy calving aa and he ) and then the 5* calves from the bdgp scheme that the factories already said are bringing too small of a carcass to suit their throughput per animal .
It would want to be a great early finishing premium cos the factories will take a nice few quid back on penalties when they are killing small cattle .

blue5000 · 11-05-2018 01:52PM

I don't know will it work, as long as consumers can buy an antibiotic laced, force fed 7 week old chicken for €1.99 we haven't a hope of a decent price for beef.

Sure the way things are at the moment a suckler farmer can't afford to put roast beef on the table, it's mince/meatballs/burgers in this house anyway so far this week. Last local butcher who kills his own beef is up for sale this week.

Well, it's not really that bad, I confess I did have a cow beef steak from Lidl one evening.

If a GM maize based ration goes to €300 next winter it will take a fair whack of a subsidy to make finishing a bull at u16 months pay.

patsy_mccabe · 11-05-2018 05:55PM

Guy telling me that Ennis Mart had a record number of dry suckler cows on Thursday. A lot of guys either getting out or reducing suckler cow numbers.

Who2 · 11-05-2018 07:07PM

Sucklers are getting hard hit around me. Lads pulling out and others cutting back. All would be fairly good operators.

Bass Reeves · 11-05-2018 09:50PM

White Clover wrote: »

What are u hearing for the friesians bass?

Looking at yesterday's FJ a few of the Kepak factory's along with Jennings in Ballinrobe, Dunbia and Meadow meats are all looking like they are paying flat as there P+,O- and O= prices are all virtually the same. They all look like they were paying 3.95-4/kg flat for these type of Bullock's.

Willfarman · 10-08-2018 12:56PM

Grass is growing in most parts of the country so I assume the big brains in the ifa and farmers journal think it time for to chance an attempt at populist politics. the pressure of the brainfart is increasing again according to the farmers journal front page..

coolshannagh28 · 10-08-2018 01:13PM

In a subsidised system more subsidy is a bad idea ?

Willfarman · 10-08-2018 01:19PM

It’s important to try and keep it for farming families to buy school uniforms rather than it indirectly fund another private helicopter for the Goodman’s..

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-processors-back-ifa-in-suckler-subsidy-debate-35427930.html

coolshannagh28 · 10-08-2018 01:23PM

A bigger enemy of the farmer in this fight are the dept and affiliated advisors who are pulling a bigger piece of the pie , Goodman will always get his pound of flesh as the system favours him . Maximise subsidy minimise input.

Proposed suckler cow subsidy

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