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My Story and Thinking about Joining the Army

  • 04-04-2018 05:32AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9


    Hello, since I was about 16/17 I often thought about joining the Army full time enlisted. I’m now 21. I’m a big guy so before I put my name in there I need to lose plenty of weight and build some muscle. (I’m expecting key board warriors to call me fat or whatever so work away.) I’m going to now explain a little about myself and why I’m drawn towards becoming a soldier. So anybody who wants to or thinks they can help, please keep reading.
    Through out my entire school life, I mean right down to junior infants, I was very bad at learning the traditional way, in class room with all my friends and teacher. I often struggled and cried my eyes out and nobody would listen simply because at the age I was they assumed I just a yapping 5 year old. But inside I knew it wasn’t for me. This was the exact same right up through primary school, only I was becoming more angry about it as primary school ended I was approaching puberty, Secondary School came and that was what I think and my mother thinks was the final part of the demolition of my mental health. From first year up to third year, I was constantly getting into trouble, because I was standing up for myself more. (maybe in some situations, more than I should have) I refused to do things that made me unhappy, Sitting in Irish and French classes and not having a clue what was going on and not being able to grasp it in the smallest way. (I failed both in my junior cert I think, I can’t remember) I began skipping school because I hated it so much and my parents wouldn’t listen to me when I tried to explain everything to them and what was bothering me. They just assumed I was a typical angry teenager, drinking and smoking with my friends, sometimes a bag of weed if we had the money. Which outside of school was true because let’s admit it every teenager was and is the same with their friends. But that was my release from my problems with school because academically minded I was a completely different person. In September, at the start of my Junior Cert year, my mother had a stress induced minor heart attack. Which as I got older I began thinking maybe it involved me and the pain I was causing her with not going to school and mitching if I ever did go down the road. After she recovered, I was sitting up in my room playing Xbox and she called me into the sitting room, while my Father was in town at the pub (or so I thought) she said to me one to one, that her and my father were separating. That was the end of me right then. Even though me my brother and sister all sort of wanted it to happen because he got absolutely blind drunk from Friday to Sunday and he was very angry and abusive when he was drunk. It was a massive change and was the final card played deciding on the person I would become in life. I thought he was in the pub as usual but he was actually already moving his stuff down to the apartment he rented and coming home late at night to make it look like he was in the pub all night. I wasn’t told the full reason why is was happening besides thinking about it and blaming myself. A few months later I was told why. My father was cheating on my Mam with another local woman. I was completely torn down then. I skipped transition year and went into 5th year doing the LCA programme. Barely attending school but completing my Leaving Cert so I wouldn’t take my Mam down with me as she already had it bad giving all that was going on. When I found out about my Father. I took it under myself, with no influence from anybody else to never EVER speak a word to him aslong as we both live. I still haven’t until this day. I was 15/16 then and I am now 21. After the leaving cert I tried to give college a try. Attending Bray institute of further education and studying Music Production as music is one of my few true joys and passion in life. It didn’t work out as I lasted all of two months. It also made me appreciate music more. After that it finally made my Mam see that traditional education was not for me. And it isn’t for everybody and to this day she strongly believes there is other ways to teach people that don’t learn the traditional way. Since then and becoming an adult, I have tried to attend therapy but it didn’t work and I can’t see the point in either paying somebody to talk to or having to have a medical card to talk to somebody, I don’t trust my own friends or mother enough to talk about my problems because let’s face it, people are nosey and like to hear your **** for something to tell their friends about and gossip, it’s probably my fault I think that way but in a lot of cases it’s true. I am now 21, I don’t have a job because I can’t hold onto one long enough to even see my first pay day. My anxiety and depression is through the roof because of the bull**** I seen growing up, which is why I can’t keep a job longer than a week. Getting out of bed is now a task, going down town to do adult stuff is a job on its own. Unless I’m going to meet a few friends on a Friday night for a few pints. Then I’m happy. I forget about my **** for that short while. Not because I’m hammered drunk, But because I’m surrounded by good craic and good company. I have been on anti depressants before not too long ago but stopped because I felt like a zombie and worse than I do now. As I said I’m now 21 and I feel as if I have no purpose in life. I feel like joining the Irish Army would drastically change the person I am. I have heard from other men and women that the pay is awful but that is not why I want in. I want in to change the person I am. To kill this demon that has stuck by my side my entire life. To find a purpose.
    As I said I am a big guy so I need to lose weight before I go forward with it. I have another four/five years before I am too old. I need to get over my self consciousness. I could never go to a gym to work out with my friends because of the deep fear of being looked at and judged. I can’t even go outside and walk the dogs because I think I would be judged and laughed at just like going to a gym. I feel like if I beat my mental health state and joined the army I would finally be the man that school and my father took away from me.

    That was an emotional mouthful but for those of you stuck it out and read about my story and what what I want in life I thank you. :)

    I’d appreciate your input :)


Comments

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 47,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭cyberwolf77


    Moved from Nocturnal Forum. You should have better luck over here Caolin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭liamo


    Hi

    I spent a number of years in the Defence Forces (not the army, though). It has probably evolved somewhat since my time there but I doubt that it has changed so much that my opinion on its suitability for you would change.

    You have been pretty open about your anxiety and depression issues and have also admitted that you are very self-conscious and have concerns about being looked at, laughed at and judged.

    Based on the above and based on my time in the Defence Forces, I think the army (or any other part of the Defence Forces) is probably the last place you should be considering.

    You are not going to be received with warm hugs and soft words. Recruits is a place where you get shouted at. A lot!! My experience was that those with issues or differences were picked on, laughed at, judged, etc, and had life made difficult for them.

    If you can't hold on to a job for more than a week why would you think that you would do any better in the army?

    You also say that you feel you have no purpose in life and that you think that joining the army would drastically change the person you are.

    I think that you are very mistaken in your belief about the army changing you. With the issues that you have, it is more likely to cause you permanent harm!

    Nor is the army likely to give you the purpose in life that you are looking for. You need to find this for yourself.

    If you do apply to join the army, frankly I think the best thing for you (and them) would be for them to decline your application.

    You seem to have some serious issues and you may not be able to deal with them on your own. Joining the army is not the answer. Seeking professional assistance probably is.

    This is probably not what you wanted to hear but it is my honest opinion. I do wish you well and I hope that you find your purpose in life and learn how to deal with your personal demons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    Totally agree with Liamo. Only an anecdote from an acquaintance’s BF, but he went into the army without the personal issues you described, and found it really brutal.

    His take on it is that they deliberately break you as a person, so that they can ‘rebuild you to be army first, not yourself anymore’.

    I agree that it sounds like a really bad idea for your wellbeing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    OP, why do you think the army would be suitable for you? Have you spoken to anyone about enlisting or done any research into enlisting?

    Regarding your fitness and feeling self-conscious, many people have this fear when they first start exercising but realistically noone is looking at you or judging you. When I'm at the gym I'm too busy concentrating on what I'm doing to notice anyone else.

    Walking the dogs is something thousands of people do every day. Noone will give you a second look if you are out walking yours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭georgina toadbum


    I feel like you've got this almost fairytale-like view of the army. That they'll fix your self-esteem issues and help you become the man you want to be. Is it structure you think you need? Being told when to get up, what to do etc? If you can't keep a job for longer than a week I'm not sure how the army would be any different.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    What you're looking for here is something that'll fix your problems for you. I'm sorry but the only way that's going to happen is if you do it for yourself. That means going for professional help if it's needed (in your case, I think it does) and doing everything you can to change things.

    You appear to have a fantasy built up in your head about the army being a magic bullet that's going to turn you into the person you'd like to be. It's not. As other posters have very clearly outlined, it's one of the worst places you could possibly go near. I know a few people who used to be in the army until relatively recently. And their stories very much tie up with what liamo has told here. It's not as tough a place as it was but it is not for the faint-hearted. And looking at what you've described here, I'm not sure what you have to offer them in your current condition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭OUTDOORLASS


    were you ever checked for dyslexia or similar..... A lot of what you said about schooling struck a cord, especially with the problem
    with languages....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Persiancowboy


    were you ever checked for dyslexia or similar..... A lot of what you said about schooling struck a cord, especially with the problem
    with languages....

    That's exactly what i thought reading the op's post. A lot of what he wrote mirrors many of the issues that undiagnosed dyslexics experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    Before reading any of the replies to you OP I immediately formed an opinion that, given your plethora of psychological issues and traumas, enlisting in the Defence Forces is the very, very last thing you should do. I mean, if you cannot hack 2 months of music school nor last even a week in an ordinary job what makes you think you could cut it in the Army where you will be intentionally driven beyond your limits, shouted at and ordered an bossed around by COs day in day out?
    What's more, given you body image issues, you are aware that there are shared dorms and showers in the army, right?

    In any event, with that litany of issues, the army would not accept your application to join. The army are interested in fit, able bodied individuals who are driven and motivated and who are OK with taking directions from superiors. At this point in time, I don't think you tick any of those boxes.

    OP, you need to see a psychotherapist or a counselor at the very least. I would start with a visit to your GP and they can make a preliminary assessment of your issues and can then refer you on to whichever specialist is most appropriate to your needs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭zoobizoo


    CaolinM96 wrote: »
    Attending Bray institute of further education and studying Music Production as music is one of my few true joys and passion in life. It didn’t work out as I lasted all of two months.

    I have tried to attend therapy but it didn’t work and I can’t see the point in either paying somebody to talk to or having to have a medical card to talk to somebody,

    I don’t have a job because I can’t hold onto one long enough to even see my first pay day. My anxiety and depression is through the roof because of the bull**** I seen growing up, which is why I can’t keep a job longer than a week.

    Getting out of bed is now a task, going down town to do adult stuff is a job on its own. Unless I’m going to meet a few friends on a Friday night for a few pints..


    You love music and had the opportunity to study it - what was the reason you left the course?

    What exactly is the reason you can't last a week in a job? Lots of depressed and anxious people hold down jobs. What led you to leaving - what was trigger?

    You can't see the point of therapy but lots of people do - because it can work when given a chance.

    I think you said it yourself - adult stuff is a task in its own...

    You appear to be thinking like an unhappy angry teenager and want the army to guve you discipline and confidence,

    Take an adult decision and go talk to a therapist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Hi Caolin, first thing that I notice about your post is how negative you are. You start off by assuming 'keyboard warriors' will make fun of your weight, you finish your post with more negative presumptions about how people might react to you if you go to a gym or walk your dog outside. These thoughts arent facts, youre predicting whats going to happen and this is stopping you from being proactive in sorting your weight out. Its a vicious cycle. I really think that if you pushed yourself and stuck with it cbt would be a huge benefit to you. You dont even have to go to a therapist if you dont want to although id really recommend that you do but if thats not an option right now research CBT yourself, go to your library and take out some books on cognitive behavioural therapy and teach it to yourself.

    Education really isnt for everyone and theres nothing wrong with that. If youre looking for a different style of education would you try an assessment based course that's more interdisciplinary and self directed? art and design courses are structured this way. It sounds like you dont want a standard job in a shop or a bar, thats ok too, not everyones cut out for that kind of work. Would you consider travelling? you could do an online TEFL course and teach english in Asia for a couple of months, the experience would do loads for your confidence and take you out of the rut youre in.

    Your mothers heart attack isnt your fault, stop blaming yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Curry Addict


    Hi Caolin,
    you really had a **** upbringing and that is what is dragging you down. take a long time out from from your family with the view to discovering who you really are (outside their ****fest).
    The army ideal you crave i think is simply the lack of security and structure in your life. You really need security and structure to be able to relax and learn, you have been deprived of this. if you can find some peace, you will find challenges in life are easier to meet and you can build confidence. A change like this is hard but if you work towards it set by step you will get there and you will be a happy confident minded person.
    I too have a big challenge ahead and will have to dig deep to overcome i. good loves a tryer ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭orthsquel


    OP you've taken a wonderful courageous step and put in writing what's going on and your own past. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but the great thing is that you have a fantastic opportunity to make your life meaningful for you.

    I have to agree with everyone that the Army/Defence Forces is not the answer. You've been dealing with a lot and there's a lot of issues in the mix and I don't think the Army is going to help you at all. I would suggest you think hard about what the Army/Defence Forces is about, what your role would be, and I would suggest you get a lot more information about what it is and what they do, even going to their stand at a Job Expo and getting a more familiar perspective. But you need to be going into it for the right reasons.

    I think in any job or career, issues in the background of what you're describing about yourself is going to be an obstacle, if left untreated. Your best chance for a life, a meaningful life, is getting help for yourself and putting behind the past because it all seems to be weighing you down, with a negative self perception and low self esteem. I would honestly think talking to someone professionally about issues in your life would be a best place to start, even to help understand your past and deal with any issues overhanging from it that affect you, but also in helping you heal from the past and forging a path for yourself, in taking small steps to accomplish things for you in your personal life.

    I think getting in touch with a career guidance professional would be worth it too, to explore your skills and help you consider non-mainstream education and what opportunities that you have. Music is a passion - perhaps you are creatively gifted and musically gifted and that could even be a career for you somewhere in that or at the very least explore courses for music that you get into to revisit that passion if you think all hope is lost in getting back to music production. You could even look into Art Therapy, a lot of public hospitals have information about that now and there's certainly a facebook page about art and mental health, using creative solutions to mental health issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭tenbob1


    Just throwing it out there as an option. The Reserve Defence forces will give you a taster of what the organization is like and if its a fit for you. You can always join the Army if its for you, and leave if its not.


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