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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,912 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I thought that Dermot was very wrong in saying that the whole point he was there was to give his opinion.

    He's wanted as an architect for his expertise, his opinion really should not be that important.

    Imo an architect has all the technical knowledge to propose options that are within regulations and budget, and answer the clients' needs first and foremost.

    How this has been morphed into one man imposing his concepts on all and sundry is puzzling. Or maybe not. That's controversial, and meant to be for tv.

    His drawing and plans he did up originally was Dermot's expertise but the woman didn't want this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    GT_TDI_150 wrote: »
    He gave them the parlour .... with one door

    Because and after she put her foot down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    I thought that Dermot was very wrong in saying that the whole point he was there was to give his opinion.

    He's wanted as an architect for his expertise, his opinion really should not be that important.

    Imo an architect has all the technical knowledge to propose options that are within regulations and budget, and answer the clients' needs first and foremost.

    How this has been morphed into one man imposing his concepts on all and sundry is puzzling. Or maybe not. That's controversial, and meant to be for tv.

    thats the whole premus of the programme.
    dermot isnt being an architect he is being a designer.

    he is in houses everyday , he sees all kinds of ways of building and design ideas. he has years of experience that any builde would love to have.
    his opinion is very important and should be sought at every opertunity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Because and after she put her foot down.

    no it was always there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    the problem isnt that she wouldnt accept his vision . it is that she flatly refused to take on board the vision of the guy that is paid to produce that vision. he can only go on what she wants (husband seemed to have no say) and tells him. if she wants xyz then tell him that.

    she didnt want the usuall dermot designed house. all his houses follow the same rough ideals. she wanted something else so why didnt she get an architect that does what she wants.

    you dont go into burgerking and tell them their icecream isnt the same as a mc flurry.

    Surely architects can take instruction as well as give advice. DB doesn’t have to always produce open plan.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,912 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Because and after she put her foot down.

    They were going to get or the down stairs bedroom anyway but not both! He wasn't really going to do much to that room.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Surely architects can take instruction as well as give advice. DB doesn’t have to always produce open plan.

    of course not. he should do what the customer wants but has shouldnt have to put his name to something that isnt in his portfolio. if she wanted something completely diferent to what demot has in his portfolio then she should go else where


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    His drawing and plans he did up originally was Dermot's expertise but the woman didn't want this.

    That's because he had gone ahead with his vision and disregarded whatever requests she might have had.

    Say you're in a restaurant where the chef may decide what to cook, but he has to take on board your requests/needs.
    You tell the chef you do not want beetroot or aubergine, but he comes up with beetroot and goat's cheese salad and moussaka on the menu and assures you everyone else loves these dishes, and you should totally go with it because he thinks you're going to love it. He's the expert, but there is a reasonable debate to be had on whether or not you want to go with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    That's because he had gone ahead with his vision and disregarded whatever requests she might have had.

    Say you're in a restaurant where the chef may decide what to cook, but he has to take on board your requests/needs.
    You tell the chef you do not want beetroot or aubergine, but he comes up with beetroot and goat's cheese salad and moussaka on the menu and assures you everyone else loves these dishes, and you should totally go with it because he thinks you're going to love it. He's the expert, but there is a reasonable debate to be had on whether or not you want to go with it.

    they specifically asked for the front room and he delivered it.

    of course you can go into a chinese(for example) and ask for no beetroot. you cant go in and ask for a pizza.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,912 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    That's because he had gone ahead with his vision and disregarded whatever requests she might have had.

    Say you're in a restaurant where the chef may decide what to cook, but he has to take on board your requests/needs.
    You tell the chef you do not want beetroot or aubergine, but he comes up with beetroot and goat's cheese salad and moussaka on the menu and assures you everyone else loves these dishes, and you should totally go with it because he thinks you're going to love it. He's the expert, but there is a reasonable debate to be had on whether or not you want to go with it.

    She said she wanted the kitchen to be the heart of the house. She got the kitchen in a big open plan room surrounded by the dinning area and living area. She also got her living room/palour with the closed door.
    If I went into that restaurant I'd be willing to try the salad because I'm open minded to things. If it was my mother tough she wouldn't go their in the first place because she'd now it wouldn't be for her.
    This woman knew she didn't want open plan living and still decided she wanted Dermot as an architect and this is what he's known for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    of course not. he should do what the customer wants but has shouldnt have to put his name to something that isnt in his portfolio. if she wanted something completely diferent to what demot has in his portfolio then she should go else where

    I'm not sure I've seen Dermot pitched as just a designer, as far as I know he is pitched as both architect and designer on the program.

    I have to go to sleep, but anyway, I think possibly it's ingrained in the Irish psyche, this notion that the "little people" don't know, and should trust the professionals always. Like the old style attitudes of trusting your doctor no matter what, even trusting that the neighbours are right to paint their living room terracotta and that you should be doing it too.

    The poor woman is getting a right doing but I think it was good to show someone who just wasn't going to go along with the script, which in an ironical twist, was the smart script for tonight's show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    they specifically asked for the front room and he delivered it.

    of course you can go into a chinese(for example) and ask for no beetroot. you cant go in and ask for a pizza.

    That's nothing to do with the example I gave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Patty O Furniture


    Yep .....and exactly the same things happening with First Dates- people being shredded on social media ....it will be the downfall of a lot of these programmes.

    That being said that girl tonight was extremely rude . There is a way of getting your point across and being assertive . Dermot did well to be as graceful about it as he was.

    I’d say she’ll look back programme in years to come and regret what she said & how she came across .

    Dermot now looks at the twitter on Sun nite & so does Lisa, but they didn't at first, but were aware of people telling them or on the street.

    So he's aware of what the reaction will be, as yer wan may have been assertive, but sadly lacked the manners that go along with it.

    I don't know if yer wan Katie is on social media, but i'd say it's tough to be in it now in the public eye!
    I tried out twitter once for an amazon offer, but don't have time for it & Feckbook!
    But i'd say these aren't the worst messages if you get one's sent to you that's not in a hashtag :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,294 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm not sure I've seen Dermot pitched as just a designer, as far as I know he is pitched as both architect and designer on the program.

    I have to go to sleep, but anyway, I think possibly it's ingrained in the Irish psyche, this notion that the "little people" don't know, and should trust the professionals always. Like the old style attitudes of trusting your doctor no matter what, even trusting that the neighbours are right to paint their living room terracotta and that you should be doing it too.

    The poor woman is getting a right doing but I think it was good to show someone who just wasn't going to go along with the script, which in an ironical twist, was the smart script for tonight's show.

    There are debates and confrontations over ideas in a lot of the series, this lady just handled them badly imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    There are debates and confrontations over ideas in a lot of the series, this lady just handled them badly imo.

    Because she stood her ground ! that's the offensive thing here. She wouldn't be swayed, and she didn't tip toe around it.

    Sorry, i really have to post and run, have been meaning to switch off ages ago.

    I get the people saying she shouldn't have signed on for the show, that's really the bottom line I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Dayo93


    Surely Dermo isn't just a one trick pony open plan box type extension architect . If a client asks for something is it not his job to provide what the the person wants, if its outside his believes dont take the job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bmm


    This woman should not be allowed near small children . Unless they want these school children to end up with inferiority complexes .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    That's nothing to do with the example I gave.

    im not sure what your point is then.

    if you go to a resturant the specalises in one type of cooking and the chef decides that the menu has 3 courses. betroot soup, aubergine mains and apple tart for desert. thats it . thats the menu.
    when you see the menu you decide if you will order or leave.
    dermot is like this he designs open plan, loads of windows in a boxy flat roof extention , white walls with amodern kitchen.

    your saying that the chef as to change the beetroot soup for you. thats not going to happen. if you asked for white bread intead of brown then thats a small change thats posible.
    if you dont like the menu go somewhere else.
    if you dont like dermots designs get someone else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    im not sure what your point is then.

    if you go to a resturant the specalises in one type of cooking and the chef decides that the menu has 3 courses. betroot soup, aubergine mains and apple tart for desert. thats it . thats the menu.
    when you see the menu you decide if you will order or leave.
    dermot is like this he designs open plan, loads of windows in a boxy flat roof extention , white walls with amodern kitchen.

    your saying that the chef as to change the beetroot soup for you. thats not going to happen. if you asked for white bread intead of brown then thats a small change thats posible.
    if you dont like the menu go somewhere else.
    if you dont like dermots designs get someone else

    Going to a restaurant isn’t the same as hiring a chef.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Anyone defending the abuse she's getting by pointing out her rudeness is deluded. Christine had strong opinions and stood her ground but remained polite throughout. There was fair criticism of her lack of understanding of budget, but there was also widespread disgusting personal abuse. A lot of people seem to love making nasty comments over very little and seem proud of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Anyone defending the abuse she's getting by pointing out her rudeness is deluded. Christine had strong opinions and stood her ground but remained polite throughout. There was fair criticism of her lack of understanding of budget, but there was also widespread disgusting personal abuse. A lot of people seem to love making nasty comments over very little and seem proud of it.

    thats modern society for you. its bread from social media and reality tv where every idiot is portrayed as having a valued opinion on everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,912 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Surely architects can take instruction as well as give advice. DB doesn’t have to always produce open plan.

    Why hire somebody who specialise in things you don't like tough?
    It'snot really fair on the professional having to sign off on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Anyone defending the abuse she's getting by pointing out her rudeness is deluded. Christine had strong opinions and stood her ground but remained polite throughout. There was fair criticism of her lack of understanding of budget, but there was also widespread disgusting personal abuse. A lot of people seem to love making nasty comments over very little and seem proud of it.
    The saddos using disgusting language about her should be reported. Personally I think posters are often oarhetuc when they report other posters . But enough is enough that poor girl does not deserve the names some weirdos are calling her in twitter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭recipio


    The Tipperary house turned out OK - ish. I couldn't understand the obsession with a downstairs bedroom and she clearly had a thing against open plan living. At least the hideous: PVC windows were changed out.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Because and after she put her foot down.

    Nope the parlour was on the initial plans... with one door


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭mycro2013


    recipio wrote: »
    The Tipperary house turned out OK - ish. I couldn't understand the obsession with a downstairs bedroom and she clearly had a thing against open plan living. At least the hideous: PVC windows were changed out.:D

    Usually the bedroom downstairs is used to care for elderly relative or parent who doesn't wish to be placed in a nursing home in their later years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    In the first 5 minutes I though she was a sweetie , half way through it was like watching a difference program .she came across poorly .
    Dermot played a stormer .cool and to the point , it's his job to design . Imo the site should be handed to the builder and client retreat out of site till the keys are handed back .too much changing of minds .you would feel for some of the contractors .
    Why would you want to be on a show like that any way , what are the benefits , we know the downfall at this point but really unless you like a bit a exposure to the limelight .
    If I had Dermot I would leave it to him within the agreed budget and get on with it .he really does know his brief .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    its a fairly accurate portrayal of a lot of teachers churned out by the teacher training colleges

    uptight
    conservative
    opinionated
    From my experience, I'd say a lot of them start college like that.
    Except opinionated. Well not with original opinions anyways.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle


    I didn't like her. And I did think she's typical of many who enter the primary teaching profession.
    But I don't think she deserves all the abuse.


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