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Calling teams from abroad 'we' and 'us'

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    #32
    YFlyer
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    Ninjini wrote: »
    If you didn’t play on the pitch with the team, you shouldn’t say “we” won/lost.

    Hahahaha


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    #33
    YFlyer
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    darkdubh wrote: »
    I find these guys funny the way they go on like they think they're on the team board of management.

    Hahahahaha


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    #34
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    To me, well it doesn't seem very Irish.
    I can never say much about it as I would probably fall out with lots and LOTS of 'Irish' people!?
    Personally I never was comfortable with this obsession, time wasting that lots of Irish people have for English soccer teams.
    This is not an anti English attitude that I have, my ex fiancé was English and I lived in England for a number of years, it's just the whole energy,time, emotion etc etc that goes into it...


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    #35
    RobertKK
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    As a shareholder in Manchester United, I feel entitled to say 'we'.


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    #36
    John_D80
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    As a shareholder in Manchester United, I feel entitled to say 'we'.

    If you had shares in apple would you say things like “we’re launching a new iPhone” or “our iPad”?

    Of course you wouldn’t because you’d sound silly. Just like people sayin “we” in reference to a football team they have never played for. It’s actually even more cringey when people think owning shares of a limited company makes them part of the club.


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    #37
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #38
    Zebra3
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Arghus wrote: »
    In some ways it is a bit silly, but if you follow a team for a while you do begin to identify with them, it's understandable - so I'm prepared to allow it.

    I think if a fella from here called Barcelona or Bayern Munich 'us' they'd be laughed at or deemed weird.

    Or York City or Mansfield Town.


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    #39
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    It’s said out of convenience mostly, especially online.
    Drogheda United are the closest club to me. They are in a different county and don’t represent me at all but I’m sure the op wouldn’t mind me calling them ‘us’ or ‘we’.

    There’s also a local team that play in the Leinster Senior League and they do represent the town I’m from but that can be overlooked to support the bigger LOI team instead. LOI fans are funny like that.


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    #40
    Ninjini
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    Lyle Lanley wrote: »
    Bollocks to that. Maybe if you're talking about the general Irish football supporter, to whom football is nothing more than a reason to be in the pub in the afternoon you might have a point. But when you follow your team home and away, when you give up hours every week to help out (be it as a board member, matchday steward, selling raffle tickets, whatever) you're more part of your club than some player that comes in for a season or two.

    That’s great for people to be so invested in something. I admire the passion and dedication. Selling a ticket still isn’t playing on the pitch though. The team play and win or lose.
    If someone is heavily supportive of a band or musician and goes to a few different gigs and buys loads of merchandise etc. can they say “we played a great gig last night”? No, because they weren’t on stage actually performing.
    They might contribute to the atmosphere etc. but they didn’t play.
    Just my opinion.


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    #41
    darced
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    #42
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #43
    Will I Am Not
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    Where did they opening post mention the league of Ireland?

    He said “change the record” for a reason.


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    #44
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #45
    Kolido
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    I would use us/we when referring to Liverpool, I'm a fan, so why not? Where they are located is neither here nor there!


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    #46
    El Tarangu
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    Why only teams from abroad?

    As in, if I said "we won the All-Ireland last year" in reference to Dublin, it would be more or less equally (in)valid as me saying "we won the Premier League last year" for some EPL club - in either case, I had nothing to do personally with the triumph of each team.


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    #47
    Too Tough To Die
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    I stopped when Mourinho took charge.


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    #48
    Gwynplaine
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    I cringe when I hear it. Unless you're on the actual team. I don't say for county or country. "We" won the 6 nations. Yeah it was a tough slog watching it on the sofa.


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    #49
    dxhound2005
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    A guy I know is one of those arm chair Irish Republican Brits Out types.

    He supported Manchester United and always referred to them as "we".

    I think with the Irish it is an inbuilt inferiority complex with England in particular. This has a funny way of manifesting itself with soccer. Many will automatically say "we" when referring to a premier league team. I don't think they realise it - just instinctive.

    I'm Irish (one of "the Irish") and I have no inbuilt inferiority complex with England. Have you?


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    #50
    The_Kew_Tour
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    We Won The Cup or Grand Slam?

    Unless you're a player or in management doubt you can really say it in that context.

    But I say we all the time for my teams and if upsets people then lucky you.

    EVENFLOW



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    #51
    suicide_circus
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    It's a way of realising your shattered boyhood dreams of professional sporting glory by living vicariously through actual athletes on the telly.


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    #52
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm reluctant to even refer to Irish teams as "we". I didn't do anything. They won the game.


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    #53
    inforfun
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    Born walking distance away from the Feyenoord stadium and the only team i truly support and i just cant say "we" when it is about results or transfers or whatever.

    Unfortunately i see it happening on Dutch forums now too, people saying "we" when they talk about foreign clubs they "support".


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    #54
    retro:electro
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    I voted for option 4


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    #55
    Agricola
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    I used to when I was younger. When I first started following the premier league, the TV money and Sky glitz n' glamour was in it's infancy. The stadiums were still primitive. As were the tactics and a lot of the players. Back in those days the english game still had a sort of amateur / community appeal. Even though it was a professional game, the players were in touch with the fans (and reality), their wages weren't astronomical and it was still a sport than the ordinary fan could easily buy a ticket for without selling a kidney.

    Now football clubs in the premiership are toys for plutocrats. Teams full of mercenaries from the four corners of the world who are paid more in a week than most supporters earn in a decade, if that. Young lads who are treated and paid like a cashcow popstar from the age of 14, they don't REALLY give a shít if they win or lose, as long as those big cheques keep rolling in.
    All that even before you start on the carry-on on the pitch, diving, cheating, feigning injury. Players that are now too valuable to allow get injured because it will damage commercial earnings power, nevermind what damage it will do to scorelines. So the game has been dulled down to a WWE style mock contact sport.

    Nope, I don't use "we" or "us" anymore!


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    #56
    Kolido
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    I voted for option 4

    Hey Anna :)


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    #57
    weldoninhio
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    I do it sometimes. Sometimes I’ll reply to a funny text/picture message with LOL too, even if I haven’t laughed out loud. Sometimes I use colloquialisms rather than the queens english too. Once people can understand what I’m saying and I can understand what they are saying I don’t care how they say it.


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    #58
    Irish Guitarist
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    I don't get this 'we' business. What is it about sport fans that makes them take credit for something someone else has done? It doesn't happen in any other form of entertainment. You wouldn't see a Pink Floyd fan talking about Dark Side Of The Moon as if they had been in the studio making the album alongside the band. Or you don't see someone watching Superman and bragging about how they beat Lex Luthor.


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    #59
    Ipso
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    The saddest part is the same people who fetish over English football teams then cram themselves over England getting defeated in tournaments.


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    #60
    dxhound2005
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    Ipso wrote: »
    The saddest part is the same people who fetish over English football teams then cram themselves over England getting defeated in tournaments.

    You have to make the distinction between English clubs and English players. The teams supported by most of the Irish people, do not have many players qualified to play for England in their teams.

    On the general point, it would make for some convoluted conversations if people can't say "we". Like "The team that I support, Manchester United, beat Brighton 2-0".


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    #61
    Mysterypunter
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    Funniest thing ever is a goon, full of cider and diabetes,"Lukaku is useless, we need another striker" plenty of them about, better off ignoring the ignorant.


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