Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

pjohnson · 08-03-2018 08:50AM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

They're not as good as mine.

Given your last few posts I see why you stick up for LON.

Yer Da sells Avon · 08-03-2018 09:10AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Given your last few posts I see why you stick up for LON.

I've just checked my last few posts and can confirm that they are also very good posts.

_Dara_ · 08-03-2018 09:11AM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I've just checked my last few posts and can confirm that they are also very good posts.

You're gas.

Wibbs · 08-03-2018 09:25AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Can't speak for anyone else but if my parents or teacher told me to read a book as a teenager, I would likely responded by rolling my eyes or dismissing them. Many teenagers don't look to their parents and teachers for guidance on books or music or films and consider them decidedly uncool.

Very much this. Eye rolling at adults to Olympic level is one of the wonderful things about being a teenager.

freshpopcorn · 08-03-2018 09:34AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Can't speak for anyone else but if my parents or teacher told me to read a book as a teenager, I would likely responded by rolling my eyes or dismissing them. Many teenagers don't look to their parents and teachers for guidance on books or music or films and consider them decidedly uncool.

Well If it just makes one parent aware of what Louise is about. It's worth it.
It might also make teachers a little more aware of what she's about before asking her to speak to the students.

meeeeh · 08-03-2018 11:05AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well If it just makes one parent aware of what Louise is about. It's worth it.
It might also make teachers a little more aware of what she's about before asking her to speak to the students.

What's your view on people going to see Caravaggio paintings and should people go to see them. Should Wagner's music still be played, should people still watch Woody Allen's movies?

08-03-2018 11:21AM

Did you just equate 'asking for it' with the ring cycle?..

Or third wave feminism with Nazi ideology?

Wibbs · 08-03-2018 11:31AM

meeeeh wrote: »

What's your view on people going to see Caravaggio paintings and should people go to see them. Should Wagner's music still be played, should people still watch Woody Allen's movies?

That's more than a bit of a silly stretch as a comparison. Taking your angle the better comparison might be would people be happy seeing and listening to Caravaggio and Wagner in person and hearing their views. Wagner's music, Caravaggio's paintings and even Allen's films are not agenda driven to nearly the same degree and are pretty well removed from the authors on that score(at most Allen's output would be a reflection of upper middle class "lefty" with a small L Manhattanites). If kids are shown the Mona Lisa it'll hardly convince them that being an ambidextrous gay vegetarian is the way forward. Even ambidextrous gay vegetarian folks viewing the Virgin of the Rocks aren't gonna notice a thing.

On the other hand individuals like Ms O'Neill are their "art" and are promoting a clear agenda with no apology through same. And she's not the only one promoting agendas these days, not by a long shot. However she's no different to any of the others of whatever stripe out there. She's just promoting a more popular view among certain sections of the media and culture of today.

freshpopcorn · 08-03-2018 11:31AM

meeeeh wrote: »

What's your view on people going to see Caravaggio paintings and should people go to see them. Should Wagner's music still be played, should people still watch Woody Allen's movies?

I never said people shouldn't do anything or encourage their children to do anything. I'm not the person saying xxxx book is a must read or you should watch xxxx program or get your kids to do it.
I just said what Louises views are on certain matters and people can decide if they are for them or if they'd like their children to have them.

mzungu · 08-03-2018 11:34AM

Ha! Just saw the thread title.

LLMMLL · 08-03-2018 11:40AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It often depended on the teacher, tbh. Like, some had enthusiasm that made you wanna read the darn book. I know in Leaving Cert years (5th and 6th) that I had those teachers.
On the other hand, in my JC years, the darn teacher I had for English did not encourage anyone to read.

I know this is off topic, but wondering what people make of this-like would a woman be flattered if a guy tried to trace her? (Btw, I actually found this story kinda sweet, not creepy). I mean, I believe if you feel there is a connection, say something.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5473647/Woman-liked-Yodel-driver-invites-HOUSE.html

I've seen these kind of stories in the past and most of them have been about men tracking down a woman. It's usually portrayed as romantic and silly rather than creepy.

meeeeh · 08-03-2018 12:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

That's more than a bit of a silly stretch as a comparison. Taking your angle the better comparison might be would people be happy seeing and listening to Caravaggio and Wagner in person and hearing their views. Wagner's music, Caravaggio's paintings and even Allen's films are not agenda driven to nearly the same degree and are pretty well removed from the authors on that score(at most Allen's output would be a reflection of upper middle class "lefty" with a small L Manhattanites). If kids are shown the Mona Lisa it'll hardly convince them that being an ambidextrous gay vegetarian is the way forward. Even ambidextrous gay vegetarian folks viewing the Virgin of the Rocks aren't gonna notice a thing.

On the other hand individuals like Ms O'Neill are their "art" and are promoting a clear agenda with no apology through same. And she's not the only one promoting agendas these days, not by a long shot. However she's no different to any of the others of whatever stripe out there. She's just promoting a more popular view among certain sections of the media and culture of today.

I quoted the wrong post. The same person advocated of not buying a book in previous post. There are a lot of artists whose opinions I don't agree yet that doesn't diminish their art. This kind of attitude of let's protect the kids from critically well received books is backward and shorsighted.

freshpopcorn · 08-03-2018 12:32PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I quoted the wrong post. The same person advocated of not buying a book in previous post. There are a lot of artists whose opinions I don't agree yet that doesn't diminish their art. This kind of attitude of let's protect the kids from critically well received books is backward and shorsighted.

I get what your saying and I think it's important to allow teenagers/kids to experiences things with in reason.
My point is basically certain parts of the media (A lot in my opinion) only really seem to push Lousie's view and everybody else is wrong and a bully/troll.

pjohnson · 08-03-2018 01:47PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I quoted the wrong post. The same person advocated of not buying a book in previous post. There are a lot of artists whose opinions I don't agree yet that doesn't diminish their art. This kind of attitude of let's protect the kids from critically well received books is backward and shorsighted.

Plenty of people have said they can no longer watch a movie that has Spacey in it. Similarly fans of Louise would tend to look down on Friends after that "homophobic" nonsense.

Louise is also far from a Renaissance.

Outlaw Pete · 08-03-2018 02:54PM

She's on the Late Late tomorrow night.......

https://twitter.com/RTE_Culture/status/971719199558119424
https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/971722599284793344

meeeeh · 08-03-2018 02:55PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Plenty of people have said they can no longer watch a movie that has Spacey in it.

And plenty of people are stupid.

Muahahaha · 08-03-2018 03:29PM

Hang on a minute- she is on the Late Late tomorrow night, didnt some posters say that she is dating Tubridy too? Is there any truth to this?

The_Kew_Tour · 08-03-2018 03:31PM

What kind of mood is Ryan on?

Dull as usual I reckon

Jim Bob Scratcher · 08-03-2018 03:31PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Hang on a minute- she is on the Late Late tomorrow night, didnt some posters say that she is dating Tubridy too? Is there any truth to this?

Imagine of those 2 had childer together :eek:

ZeroThreat · 08-03-2018 03:38PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Hang on a minute- she is on the Late Late tomorrow night, didnt some posters say that she is dating Tubridy too? Is there any truth to this?

ughhh, despite the obvious unpleasant thoughts that brings to mind, isn't there an unfeasibly large age gap between them?

Will I Am Not · 08-03-2018 03:39PM

But how is she on the most iconic, most watched Irish tv show ever?
Sure nobody has ever heard of her outside this thread.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 08-03-2018 03:39PM

If she is seeing Tubridy is she trying to drop a hint there on her Twitter for him?

:D

Greybottle · 08-03-2018 03:54PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She's on the Late Late tomorrow night.......

https://twitter.com/RTE_Culture/status/971719199558119424
https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/971722599284793344

If she has to insist on having an orgasm every time then she's doing something very, very wrong in bed. Orgasms come easily to two people who are passionate about each other. You can also have very good sex/foreplay/petting without having an orgasm.

Water John · 08-03-2018 03:57PM

Isn't it on the Late Late, Turbridy met his previous, love interest?

Greybottle · 08-03-2018 03:59PM

Water John wrote: »

Isn't it on the Late Late, Turbridy met his previous, love interest?

Bertie Ahern?

ZeroThreat · 08-03-2018 03:59PM

Water John wrote: »

Isn't it on the Late Late, Turbridy met his previous, love interest?

Tubs is becoming the Letterman of RTE....

Boom_Bap · 08-03-2018 03:59PM

Greybottle wrote: »

If she has to insist on having an orgasm every time then she's doing something very, very wrong in bed. Orgasms come easily to two people who are passionate about each other. You can also have very good sex/foreplay/petting without having an orgasm.

Perhaps the tweet was a joke?

08-03-2018 04:04PM

Water John wrote: »

Isn't it on the Late Late, Turbridy met his previous, love interest?

I don’t think JFK was on it now due to prior engagements

ZeroThreat · 08-03-2018 04:05PM

Dakota Brave Carrot wrote: »

I don’t think JFK was on it now due to prior engagements

he would have cheated on Tubs anyway

Purple Mountain · 08-03-2018 06:28PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She's on the Late Late tomorrow night.......

https://twitter.com/RTE_Culture/status/971719199558119424
https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/971722599284793344

New book out!

Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

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