Fine Universities that are denying free speech.

Overheal · 23-02-2018 04:27PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Really? I dont hear a lot of critique or discussion on Islam on the news. Which according to some people in the world (Jews and Homosexuals) are just as bad as the Nazis.

Did you smash all your television screens in the year 2000 or something?

Chris_Heilong · 23-02-2018 05:15PM

Overheal wrote: »

Did you smash all your television screens in the year 2000 or something?

I have seen a lot of them talking about ISIS however I have not seen many discussions on Islam itself, maybe I have just missed these discussions.

Brian? · 24-02-2018 07:58AM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I have seen a lot of them talking about ISIS however I have not seen many discussions on Islam itself, maybe I have just missed these discussions.

You’re watching the wrong programs. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are very critical of Islam.

20Cent · 27-02-2018 06:55PM

Still want these types talking in universities.

Finsbury Park attacker turned violent by far-right posts from Tommy Robinson and Britain First, police say

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-terror-attack-tommy-robinson-far-right-britain-first-mark-rowley-speech-police-a8229936.html

“He had grown to hate Muslims largely due his consumption of large amounts of online far-right material including, as evidenced at court, statements from former EDL leader Tommy Robinson, Britain First and others,” he told an event in London.

Overheal · 27-02-2018 07:41PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I have seen a lot of them talking about ISIS however I have not seen many discussions on Islam itself, maybe I have just missed these discussions.

Could I interest you in the gospel of Fox News?

Red_Wake · 28-02-2018 10:55AM

20Cent wrote: »

Still want these types talking in universities.

Finsbury Park attacker turned violent by far-right posts from Tommy Robinson and Britain First, police say

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-terror-attack-tommy-robinson-far-right-britain-first-mark-rowley-speech-police-a8229936.html

“He had grown to hate Muslims largely due his consumption of large amounts of online far-right material including, as evidenced at court, statements from former EDL leader Tommy Robinson, Britain First and others,” he told an event in London.

Is there an alternative possibility that if these views were engaged with publically, they could be proven wrong and discredited.

If they're driven underground, they face no opposition and go unchallenged. I notice that the material which radicalised this individual was online rather than in a public place.

20Cent · 28-02-2018 04:07PM

Red_Wake wrote: »

Is there an alternative possibility that if these views were engaged with publically, they could be proven wrong and discredited.

If they're driven underground, they face no opposition and go unchallenged. I notice that the material which radicalised this individual was online rather than in a public place.

The further underground a nazi is the better imo.

20Cent · 01-03-2018 09:47PM

More connections between the Florida school shooter and the far right.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swastikas-ammunition-magazines-parkland-florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz/

Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had swastikas ammunition magazines he brought into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14, a federal law enforcement source with direct knowledge of the investigation told CBS News on Tuesday. Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder.

Permabear · 02-03-2018 01:07PM

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ancapailldorcha · 02-03-2018 01:09PM

Mod: Indeed. Back on topic, please.

20Cent · 02-03-2018 02:32PM

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It's in response to the claim that speech doesn't cause any harm. These killers were radicalised by what they have heard and read. Allowing these folk to speak on campuses gives these views a legitimacy and higher profile.

Permabear · 02-03-2018 04:55PM

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Sweg · 03-03-2018 01:48PM

20Cent wrote: »

It's in response to the claim that speech doesn't cause any harm. These killers were radicalised by what they have heard and read. Allowing these folk to speak on campuses gives these views a legitimacy and higher profile.

Who decides what speech is "acceptable"?

Havockk · 04-03-2018 03:34PM

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I find disturbing the fact that posters can simply spew unchecked bile and hatred at the president and the 63 million Americans who voted for him, creating trainwreck thread after trainwreck thread....

Or do we decide that this isn't the kind of hate-filled rhetoric that Boards is willing to entertain?

Complete turn around for yourself in only 12 months, well done.

Jcarroll07 · 04-03-2018 06:43PM

20Cent wrote: »

It's in response to the claim that speech doesn't cause any harm. These killers were radicalised by what they have heard and read. Allowing these folk to speak on campuses gives these views a legitimacy and higher profile.

The guy was not even un University it was a high school campus. But aren't we lucky we have people like you ready to regulate what we can and cant hear, good forbid we entertain the idea that people can actually think for themselves :rolleyes:

In fairness you are the greatest argument in favour of free speech.

Jcarroll07 · 04-03-2018 06:45PM

Sweg wrote: »

Who decides what speech is "acceptable"?

Him or people like him. Thats what makes the idea of censorship so dangerous as has already been historically proven, but we live in an age where some aren't really into the idea of facts.

20Cent · 04-03-2018 08:09PM

I don't agree with what you say but I'd die for your right to say it is the most virtue signaling load of boll*x ever. Everyone has a line they don't think should be crossed. It's easy to say lets debate nazi's and show them the error of their ways when you're not the ones they want killed.
Plenty of speech is regulated and illegal already, when it involves rich people or powerful entities. Minorities not so much. Being anti fascist is self defence.
Private universities don't have to put up with these characters on their campuses it's the public ones that are targeted. Allowing them to speak suggests that their ideas have some value which is not true.

ancapailldorcha · 04-03-2018 09:14PM

Jcarroll07 wrote: »

The guy was not even un University it was a high school campus. But aren't we lucky we have people like you ready to regulate what we can and cant hear, good forbid we entertain the idea that people can actually think for themselves :rolleyes:

In fairness you are the greatest argument in favour of free speech.

Jcarroll07 wrote: »

Him or people like him. Thats what makes the idea of censorship so dangerous as has already been historically proven, but we live in an age where some aren't really into the idea of facts.

Enough of the personal digs please.

Chris_Heilong · 04-03-2018 10:45PM

20Cent wrote: »

I don't agree with what you say but I'd die for your right to say it is the most virtue signaling load of boll*x ever. Everyone has a line they don't think should be crossed. It's easy to say lets debate nazi's and show them the error of their ways when you're not the ones they want killed.
Plenty of speech is regulated and illegal already, when it involves rich people or powerful entities. Minorities not so much. Being anti fascist is self defence.
Private universities don't have to put up with these characters on their campuses it's the public ones that are targeted. Allowing them to speak suggests that their ideas have some value which is not true.

I am all for anything to give an opposing view to the left wing identity politics, third wave feminism and all the dangerous Marxist ideologies that teach if your "group" is not on top then you are being oppressed :rolleyes: is a good thing. Really besides the group that might identify themselves as Nazi/alt-right how many Nazis do you actually think are out there or do you mean anyone who is not "progressive" is a Nazi?

Havockk · 04-03-2018 11:08PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I am all for anything to give an opposing view to the left wing identity politics, third wave feminism and all the dangerous Marxist ideologies that teach if your "group" is not on top then you are being oppressed :rolleyes: is a good thing. Really besides the group that might identify themselves as Nazi/alt-right how many Nazis do you actually think are out there or do you mean anyone who is not "progressive" is a Nazi?

I think it's important for Nazi's and such to out themselves, for too long they have been lurking in the shadows. Speak up now, loudly, and we can get some good old aggression going their way!

20Cent · 05-03-2018 12:07AM

Havockk wrote: »

I think it's important for Nazi's and such to out themselves, for too long they have been lurking in the shadows. Speak up now, loudly, and we can get some good old aggression going their way!

There is never a good time for Nazi's to "out" themselves. Shadows, underground etc best place for them. Not giving talks in Universities like thats a normal thing.

20Cent · 05-03-2018 12:08AM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I am all for anything to give an opposing view to the left wing identity politics, third wave feminism and all the dangerous Marxist ideologies that teach if your "group" is not on top then you are being oppressed :rolleyes: is a good thing. Really besides the group that might identify themselves as Nazi/alt-right how many Nazis do you actually think are out there or do you mean anyone who is not "progressive" is a Nazi?

No.

Permabear · 05-03-2018 09:43AM

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Havockk · 05-03-2018 11:06AM

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No comment from yourself about your seemingly hypocritical position on this matter then so?

20Cent · 05-03-2018 11:24AM

Permabear wrote: »

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Didn't say anything about books. It's pretty simple I don't think a university should be obliged to host or give a platform to people who believe other people are subhuman and need to be liquidated.
Didn't think this would be a controversial view.

Permabear · 05-03-2018 11:26AM

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Havockk · 05-03-2018 11:32AM

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Permabear.

Firstly, I understand perfectly well. And you may protest all you like and move the goalposts around but the fact of the matter is that you are being absolutely hypocritical. It hardly matters if it's on a campus in the USA or a website in Timbucktu. It sounds to me like you like Free Speech when it suits yourself or your agenda, but apart from that you are willing to turn a blind eye and that, mon amie, is the definition of hypocrisy.

Permabear · 05-03-2018 11:37AM

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Havockk · 05-03-2018 11:54AM

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I'm drilling deeper here, this is way past a first amendment conversation by now. What you and I are talking about is 'Free Speech'. And in this matter you appear to have a conflicting viewpoint.

<snip>what is your stance of free speech?

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Fine Universities that are denying free speech.

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