Severe Winter Weather: ESSENTIAL PREPARATIONS, TRAVEL ADVICE, DRIVING TIPS & CLOSURES

no.8 · 28-02-2018 03:38PM

listermint wrote: »

no you said sure people in eastern europe who have these conditions all the time, therefore we should be able to cope.

That method of thinking is abundantly flawed , i should not have to point out why il leave that with you.

End of discussion I take it, because Listermint think its flawed. You have your opinion, I have mine. It's risk analysis, I don't think people in Ireland should have snow ploughs nor cross-country skies at home for every 5 year major snow event , simply not the case nor have I said that. However I think the local council should have 1 lying about, given Ireland lies between 51° and 54° north. My issue is that you're annoyed at the suggestion that it's possible to walk to work in that weather (if local), or take a bus if its available. Is that really possible for people to have that little reserve, when atlantic storms come and go.

P.S. A part of my tax take goes towards paying for the councils snow plough operations thanks very much, a sum of money I'm very happy to pay (they do a great job).

Harry Palmr · 28-02-2018 03:40PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Well that's what I understand, something about interference making one liable for anything that occurs as a result of your work.

https://www.mcgarrsolicitors.ie/2010/01/10/slip-and-fall/

Private persons (adjoining owners and occupiers) have, generally, no liability in common law to clear public roads or pavements of snow and ice. They may have a particular liability; if they place the snow or ice on the road or pavement, or create it in the first place. These acts would constitute a public nuisance. For instance, if the owner or occupier transfers a snow burden from his premises onto the public pavement, the presence of the snow is not “natural”. It is man-made. The owner or occupier had created the condition. For further instance, if the owner or occupier pours hot water on the pavement to melt ice already there, and the water freezes, the new ice will have been created by the owner or occupier.

but

In the City of Dublin a particular liability rests on owners and occupiers (including local and public authorities) adjoining public pavements to clear the pavement of snow immediately on the cessation of the snowfall. The liability was created by bye-laws of June1899. The bye-laws do not expressly create an entitlement to compensation for persons injured on such un-cleared pavements, but the courts have consistently interpreted such statutory obligations as creating and conferring such entitlement.

Welcome to the Irish court backed get rich quick scheme.

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-02-2018 03:41PM

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Sight808 · 28-02-2018 03:42PM

Going Dublin to airport tomorrow morning, people reckon they'll be taxis running early in the morning from dublin 8. We usually take aircoach or the 747 bus route.

Any suggestions?

Harry Palmr · 28-02-2018 03:45PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Sure with show showers it keeps getting a fresh layer anyway.

spookwoman · 28-02-2018 03:46PM

https://twitter.com/aaroadwatch/status/968859753588908032

sdanseo · 28-02-2018 03:47PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Been out and about in South Meath this morning, and it's "interesting", in both a good and bad way. I had no significant issues driving, but had to use 4WD on some of the minor roads due to the quantity of snow on the roads. That said, on 3 occasions over the space of a mile, on a minor road near Kilbride, I had to stop for a while, simply because the strength of the wind was picking up the finer powder snow that had fallen, and it was blowing in the wind, resulting in dangerously limited visibility, so limited that it wasn't safe to continue, partly because I know that road, and know that the ditches on the edges are full of water, and deep enough to be dangerous if you go off the road in to them.

It was very easy to get the back of the vehicle to slide if too much power, or braking, or sharp turns were made, but that's what appropriate driving is all about. There are however some complete tools out there, I had to take avoiding action in the town to keep clear of a BMW535 that was slipping and sliding all over the place, due to being inappropriately driven by someone that didn't have a clue how to drive in the conditions.

And yes, before I get people asking why I was out, some of the time, I was standing in for volunteer elderly drivers who had (rightly) decided that they could not do their normal Meals on Wheels deliveries due to the conditions, so I was asked by a friend if I could step in, which was not an issue and I have the vehicle that is suited to the conditions. It was thought provoking to see and meet some of the people who are recipients of the service, especially given the conditions today, and it looks like I could be on call again on Friday, given the forecast conditions for the day.

Depending on the temperatures tomorrow, there is a strong chance that the biggest problem to being on the roads will be the lack of visibility, and that can change in an instant, even more rapidly than fog, so the advice to be off the roads by 4 pm sounds good to me.

The next few days could indeed be challenging.

Fair play.

spookwoman · 28-02-2018 03:49PM

https://twitter.com/Liveline_RTE/status/968860555065921536

cnocbui · 28-02-2018 04:04PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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In this intelligently run country, yes.

Most of the costs of injuries from accidents are covered by New Zealand’s unique personal accident compensation scheme which is run by the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC).

ACC provides no-fault insurance cover to everyone in New Zealand for injuries resulting from accidents - everything from car crashes to injuries at work, slips, trips and falls at home or breaking your arm skiing, even if the person who is injured caused the accident.

ACC helps cover medical and treatment fees and rehabilitation costs such as physiotherapy or residential care, although there are part-charges for some treatments. They will also make a payment to families in the case of accidental death, even if the family live outside of New Zealand.

You pay for your ACC cover through a levy on your income and also charges for running your motorcar.

Under New Zealand’s ACC system, you don’t have the right to sue anyone for injuries from an accident.

:cool:

spookwoman · 28-02-2018 04:43PM

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/968873196672954368

pilly · 28-02-2018 04:49PM

sdanseo wrote: »

Quick recap (on the only day you'll ever hear me listening to Joe Duffy):

All rail services in Ireland cancelled after 2pm tomorrow
All LUAS services cancelled after 1pm tomorrow
All Dublin Bus services cancelled all day tomorrow
All primary and secondary schoold, colleges, non critical government departments in Leinster and Munster instructed to close tomorrow.
All people in Leinster and Munster told to stay indoors while a red warning is in place, especially from 4pm tomorrow to 12pm Friday. All employers strongly advised to keep this in mind and consider whether they need to open at all.

Gerald Fleming on RTÉ Radio now also. Saying forecast is very clear that this is a significant event.

Reminder that if your employer decides to open and you can't get there, they are entitled to deduct leave. If they close and no work is available, you should be paid.

Sorry sdanseo but it's untrue that your employer has to pay you if there's no work, there's no law that backs that up.

Joe Duffy may believe that because he's never really worked a proper job but it's inaccurate.

La.de.da · 28-02-2018 05:10PM

Thick question but, I have the gas on constant thermostats turned to 16 degrees and radiators turned up, better to leave it on as long as possible like this rather than turning on and off.?

Wouldn't mind a feicin fuel allowance myself.

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-02-2018 05:13PM

sdanseo wrote: »

Dublin Bus has cancelled all services for tomorrow.

Last bus at 7 tonight

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-02-2018 05:15PM

La.de.da wrote: »

Thick question but, I have the gas on constant thermostats turned to 16 degrees and radiators turned off, better to leave it on as long as possible like this rather than turning on and off.?

Wouldn't mind a feicin fuel allowance myself.

Why have the gas on and the rads off.? That's the thick part!!

Water needs to circulate in the system. If the rads are off it will be nothing but cold!

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-02-2018 05:18PM

A colleague was at the NECC meeting today. She said she was very afraid from what was said!

Sorry..don't have details.

moycullen14 · 28-02-2018 05:21PM

Rockfish wrote: »

I see Ryanair cancelled all fights today form Dublin. Im in a dilema, have a flight at 6.30am tomorrow morning, i had intended to go to Dublin tonight and go to airport anyway, if its cancelled however i have no way back to Mayo as buses and trains will be off. Im preusming if its cancelled ill be refunded in full?

Me too! Coming up from Cork. I'm kinda depending on a cancellation now.

I can't imagine flights WON'T be cancelled.

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-02-2018 05:23PM

In case anyone hasn't heard...
ALL Government Departments BV are closed till Monday

But of course our TDs are off till Tuesday!

Go figure:D

sdanseo · 28-02-2018 05:24PM

AdamB wrote: »

Have you any link to support this? My work place have told me that I'll have to pay back any time taken over the red warning.

El Weirdo wrote: »

The HSE have told staff that they must take annual leave if they can't come in due to the weather.

HSE Premises will be open, generally speaking, and staff would be considered critical. Work is available, so leave can be deducted. Unions being as anal as they are, will probably fight your corner over that in due course.

You're only entitled to be paid if the employer closes and cannot provide work without giving you adequate notice (for casual workers, this is normally 24hrs, but for salaried staff depends on your contract which might dictate more).

loughside · 28-02-2018 05:25PM

I see some Argos stores have brought out their 7ft pre-lit Christmas trees again!!
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/snow-is-coming-nordland-7ft-pre-lit-christmas-tree-1049-from-argos-2900460

uck51js9zml2yt · 28-02-2018 05:26PM

sdanseo wrote: »

HSE Premises will be open, generally speaking, and staff would be considered critical. Work is available, so leave can be deducted. Unions being as anal as they are, will probably fight your corner over that in due course.

You're only entitled to be paid if the employer closes and cannot provide work without giving you adequate notice (for casual workers, this is normally 24hrs, but for salaried staff depends on your contract which might dictate more).

All government departments are closed till Monday.
If your an essential service it might be different though there is a warning not to be out from 4pm Thursday to 1200 noon Friday

There's also no Dublin bus tomorrow and trains are off at 2pm

Paully D · 28-02-2018 05:30PM

Just received the call to say we're off until Monday.

Huge weight off my shoulders knowing I won't have to chance it tomorrow.

sdanseo · 28-02-2018 05:31PM

Legacy Clever Gardener wrote: »

All government departments are closed till Monday.
If your an essential service it might be different though there is a warning not to be out from 4pm Thursday to 1200 noon Friday

There's also no Dublin bus tomorrow and trains are off at 2pm

If they're closed, employees will be paid - generally speaking. As above the notice requirements get a little complex but for civil and public servants at least the backlash would not be worth it.

Us unionless private sector goons will have to fight our corner!

El Weirdo · 28-02-2018 05:34PM

sdanseo wrote: »

If they're closed, employees will be paid - generally speaking. As above the notice requirements get a little complex but for civil and public servants at least the backlash would not be worth it.

Us unionless private sector goons will have to fight our corner!

From the email we received yesterday:

Services will adapt locally to the severe weather challenges they face. In this context managers will liaise with staff regarding the local service requirements in the coming days. Where staff are scheduled to work and if for health and safety reasons they are unable to attend; those affected can use annual leave for the hours they were scheduled to work. If a staff member has no annual leave remaining, they may use leave from the next leave cycle, and have their leave allocation adjusted accordingly.

_Kaiser_ · 28-02-2018 05:39PM

Some travel updates for Dublin Bus/LUAS tonight and tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/dublinbusnews/status/968880998086832129

https://twitter.com/Luas/status/968865624796680193

pilly · 28-02-2018 05:42PM

Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »

Just drove the M7/M9 from Naas to Carlow.
2 Lanes open the whole way, salt doing its job, good work by the councils.

This uncertainty for tomorrow is a joke.
Your employer will want you to attend yet the head of the emergency committee says "it's suicidal to be outside after 4pm tomorrow".
So there will be no public transport to bring people home, it's a joke.
As nobody will make a decision then we better hope for another dumping tonight so the early morning commute is ruled out.

Totally agree, any workplace not planning to send people home by lunchtime tomorrow are just idiots.

mkov1 · 28-02-2018 05:44PM

I need to drive from Thurles to Kildare on M8 Thursday at 2pm, would that be ok? They say to stay indoor from 4pm .. I should reach Kildare at 3pm. Is it too risky to go?

_Kaiser_ · 28-02-2018 05:46PM

mkov1 wrote: »

I need to drive from Thurles to Kildare on M8 Thursday at 2pm, would that be ok? They say to stay indoor from 4pm .. I should reach Kildare at 3pm. Is it too risky to go?

Don't think I'd be chancing it myself. Motorways have the highest chance of being open yes, but was coming home on the M7 yesterday evening myself and it was pretty bad around Portlaoise (traffic slowed to 50 km/h a few km out)

wakka12 · 28-02-2018 05:46PM

jobless wrote: »

anyone think relying on the dart tonight is risky?

It should be fine for the next two hours or so anyway, presumably you're going home around rush hour

OldMrBrennan83 · 28-02-2018 05:48PM

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spookwoman · 28-02-2018 05:49PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/968890744818761728

Severe Winter Weather: ESSENTIAL PREPARATIONS, TRAVEL ADVICE, DRIVING TIPS & CLOSURES

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