Donald Trump officially ranked by presidential historians as the worst president ever

AllGunsBlazing · 19-02-2018 08:21PM

Bush stole an election then murdered with a smile on his smug face. Fvck that guy.

Billy86 · 19-02-2018 08:45PM

He's doing his best to rocket his way to it (possibly quite literally!) but it's too early and he's been too useless at doing his job effectively to be called the worst.

I'd still put Bush below him even from this century - he took over an incredibly stable economy when the world was in a very calm state, dismissed the security staff that had been there across several administrations before him, ignored 9/11 warnings, and after that happened he launched the chaos into the world that we're still dealing with over 15 years later. Then as his final trick, he gave us the biggest recession the world had seen in 80 years.

SharpshooterTom · 19-02-2018 10:04PM

Billy86 wrote: »

He's doing his best to rocket his way to it (possibly quite literally!) but it's too early and he's been too useless at doing his job effectively to be called the worst.

I'd still put Bush below him even from this century - he took over an incredibly stable economy when the world was in a very calm state, dismissed the security staff that had been there across several administrations before him, ignored 9/11 warnings, and after that happened he launched the chaos into the world that we're still dealing with over 15 years later. Then as his final trick, he gave us the biggest recession the world had seen in 80 years.

Its amazing how Bush is only 30th, nearer the middle than he is to the bottom.

I mean what positives came out of Bush's administration that makes him better than 14 other presidents? I'm struggling to think of any.

Icemancometh · 19-02-2018 10:17PM

Buchanan is the worst. Buchanan will always be the worst.

SharpshooterTom · 19-02-2018 10:22PM

Icemancometh wrote: »

Buchanan is the worst. Buchanan will always be the worst.

Yeah but he didn't give out bad tweets or scream "FAKE NEWS", doesn't matter if plunged the US into a war that led to 700,000 deaths.

Wanderer78 · 19-02-2018 10:24PM

Won't be surprised if he gets a second term, he's doing a pretty good job

Ulysses Gaze · 19-02-2018 10:24PM

Obama ahead of Lyndon Johnson, Reagan and Bill Clinton is absolutely laughable.

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 10:51PM

The best thing about that list is that Hillary Clinton isn't on it.

Wanderer78 · 19-02-2018 10:53PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote:

The best thing about that list is that Hillary Clinton isn't on it.

Why's that?

Vladimir Poontang · 19-02-2018 10:59PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why's that?

Because she's a sleazy sadistic power hungry psychopath, everything Trump is, only worse. Which is why she lost.

Wanderer78 · 19-02-2018 11:03PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote:

Because she's a sleazy sadistic power hungry psychopath, everything Trump is, only worse. Which is why she lost.

Add conman onto that for himself to, oh and she's no where near as bad as him.

Jimbob1977 · 19-02-2018 11:22PM

It's always going to be split along partisan lines.

Even historians will be subconsciously biased against a Republican or Democrat.

Reagan, Clinton and Obama left office with high approval ratings. Reagan won the 1984 election in a total landslide.

Ike presided over a golden age, where the United States was at its peak. JFK had great promise before he was cut down.

mcmoustache · 19-02-2018 11:42PM

I think we can all agree that this list is bullsh!t.

Irish Guitarist · 19-02-2018 11:58PM

He's a pretty average president really but he's the first one to express every single thought he has on the internet.

If George Washington had a Twitter account he would have been complaining that his slaves weren't doing their job properly and were too busy procreating with his stepson.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/george-washingtons-biracial-family-new-recognition-180960553/

20-02-2018 12:04AM

Trumps legacy in the long run will be presiding over the greatest split in the American public since the civil war and yes he will deserve his place as one of the worst of all time

OwlsZat · 20-02-2018 12:06AM

He's building a serious bubble. Probably profit himself down the line.

20-02-2018 12:07AM

It's going to be terribly challenging to his ego to find out he's the worst ranked President. On Presidents Day too, of all days.

I can't imagine how he'll resist the temptation to tweet his feelings on the matter.

Mutant z · 20-02-2018 12:11AM

I will take it all with a pince of salt he has done a decent job so far more sour grapes with Clinton being defeated Trump is now the scapegoat in the eyes of the mainstream establishment. Of course Obama could do no wrong despite stirring up racial tension by given extreme groups like BLM and Antifa credence.

Mutant z · 20-02-2018 12:15AM

BTW both Bush and Obama have helped to light the ME on fire which has led to the rise of Isis a policy which would have continued to happen under Clinton so spare me this worst president bs Trump is more serious about destroying Isis than any of his predecessors.

SharpshooterTom · 20-02-2018 12:24AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Trumps legacy in the long run will be presiding over the greatest split in the American public since the civil war and yes he will deserve his place as one of the worst of all time

But did Trump cause that split or was it already in place before he took office and rather his presidency was the result of that already existing split?

Either way unless his 'split' leaves nearly a million dead in a full on war it hardly compares to James Buchanan.

BTW you said 'one of the worst' I don't disagree with you and think somewhere around 35th is more apt, but I do think there are worse.

Noel82 · 20-02-2018 12:36AM

Nate Silver is a joker, he was way off in the general and even called the Republican nomination wrong. These so called intellects and experts speak well so they appear legitimate but at the end of the day they're nothing more than Political hacks. I know he didn't conduct the survey but any faith I had in polls or predictions went out the window with Trumps election and the brexit referendum.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

"How I Acted Like A Pundit And Screwed Up On Donald Trump"

Icemancometh · 20-02-2018 12:42AM

Noel82 wrote: »

Nate Silver is a joker, he was way off in the general and even called the Republican nomination wrong. These so called intellects and experts speak well so they appear legitimate but at the end of the day they're nothing more than Political hacks. I know he didn't conduct the survey but any faith I had in polls or predictions went out the window with Trumps election and the brexit referendum.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

"How I Acted Like A Pundit And Screwed Up On Donald Trump"

In Silver's defense, 538 gave Trump a far greater chance of success than pretty much anywhere else. Off the top of my head, they had him about 30% compared to New York Time's 2%. 30% bets come in all the time.

SharpshooterTom · 20-02-2018 12:45AM

Noel82 wrote: »

Nate Silver is a joker, he was way off in the general and even called the Republican nomination wrong. These so called intellects and experts speak well so they appear legitimate but at the end of the day they're nothing more than Political hacks. I know he didn't conduct the survey but any faith I had in polls or predictions went out the window with Trumps election and the brexit referendum.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

"How I Acted Like A Pundit And Screwed Up On Donald Trump"

He screwed up in the primaries but his model in the presidential race was the only one that gave Trump a legit shot of becoming president (30%) unlike the NYT and Huffpost which gave him near 0%.

I quoted him here in this thread because IMO, I agree with him on this issue.

ChunkyLover54 · 20-02-2018 12:49AM

He's only been in one year - isn't it rather early to add Trump to the US Presidential ranking list? Is it usual for historians to rank presidents while still in office?

SharpshooterTom · 20-02-2018 12:55AM

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

He's only been in one year - isn't it rather early to add Trump to the US Presidential ranking list? Is it usual for historians to rank presidents while still in office?

Not really, but including Trump and labeling him the worst ever makes for great clickbait, so why not?

Noel82 · 20-02-2018 12:56AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

He screwed up in the primaries but his model in the presidential race was the only one that gave Trump a legit shot of becoming president (30%) unlike the NYT and Huffpost which gave him near 0%.

There was some polls that ended up being far more accurate, the usc/latimes and Rasmussen ones for e.g.

SharpshooterTom · 20-02-2018 12:58AM

Noel82 wrote: »

There was some polls that ended up being far more accurate, the usc/latimes and Rasmussen ones for e.g.

No the USC wasn't accurate, it showed Trump winning the popular vote (which he didn't), not the electoral college vote (which he did).

brainfreeze · 20-02-2018 01:09AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

and never really left Iraq (5,000 US troops remain)

The troops remaining isn't really an argument. Whenever they have bases, they man them. It sounds like a good argument on the surface but not when you look at it in context. They have troops everywhere.

America has 5000 troops in Iraq, and 35,000 troops in Germany. That doesn't mean they are still at war in Germany.

He really did get out of Iraq. We know this because ISIS happened when he did.

Noel82 · 20-02-2018 01:09AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

No the USC wasn't accurate, it showed Trump winning the popular vote (which he didn't), not the electoral college vote (which he did).

Investors business daily/TIPP poll was another.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/23/trump-leading-in-poll-that-has-best-track-record-over-last-three-elections/

I won't squabble because I agree with you that clearly certain polls like the Huff Post were just a joke. Even Reuters according to that article only gave Trump 5%, laughable really.

SharpshooterTom · 20-02-2018 01:32AM

brainfreeze wrote: »

The troops remaining isn't really an argument. Whenever they have bases, they man them. It sounds like a good argument on the surface but not when you look at it in context. They have troops everywhere.

America has 5000 troops in Iraq, and 35,000 troops in Germany. That doesn't mean they are still at war in Germany.

He really did get out of Iraq. We know this because ISIS happened when he did.

Well arguably he didn't get the US out of Iraq, do you realize the 2011 withdrawl date was signed by George W Bush and all Obama did was simply follow it? In any case, after he pulled them out he put them back in again in 2014.

Also in Afghanistan, Obama escalated the number of troops from 33,000 (a then all time high under Bush) to 100,000. Unsurprisingly the death toll of US troops in Afghanistan by president:

Afghanistan (2,406)
Obama - 1751
Bush - 641
Trump - 14

Aside the the Iran nuclear deal, Obama's foreign policy legacy was fairly mixed, currently I'd give him a C+/B- as the Iran deal saves him, but if that deal falls apart then he's barely holding onto that C grade, foreign policy wise he was quite forgettable, he just looks good compared to Bush and Cheney.

Donald Trump officially ranked by presidential historians as the worst president ever

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