Mens Rights Thread

drunkmonkey · 09-02-2018 10:06AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

seriously?

Seriously, I find watching men run around after a ball and not score anything a snooze fest, one of the top Australian LFL players used to be a Cork woman, not sure what happened to the Irish LFL league the weather probably got the better of them but a lot of girls tried out for it.

iptba · 10-02-2018 01:50AM

I previously highlighted that the most active men's rights activists I had noticed in the 3-D world were in India*

Here's an example of men gathering there to highlight men's rights issues

https://twitter.com/vaastavngo/status/954942182703562754

*I was criticised for this and another post. I wasn't in a position to write a defence at the time.

iptba · 10-02-2018 02:48AM

I thought this was interesting:

UK Dads are being airbrushed out of existence by family courts favouring and bankrolling Mums

[..]

When the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 was implemented in 2013, hundreds of thousands of people were suddenly no longer entitled to free legal aid. A key exception was women who claimed domestic abuse, which leads to the application for Non-Molestation Orders.

In the year following its introduction, applications for LASPO boomed by 300%.

Prior to LASPO, the legal aid split was roughly 40% v 60% to men and women. Post-LASPO it is now 15% v 85%. That LASPO is the cause of this change is entirely unambiguous.

Here, you can draw one of two conclusions: either domestic violence incidents against women rose 300% annually (which flies in the face of recorded crime data), or an increasing number of women began to “fight dirty,” realising they’d automatically qualify for free legal aid if more serious allegations were made.

Men on the receiving end of Non Molestation Orders (which effectively kept them out of the children’s lives until disproven) were thus faced with the costly process of self-funding their case against a mother effectively bankrolled by the state.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/uk-fathers-airbrushed-existence-family-courts-favouring-bankrolling-mothers/

backspin. · 10-02-2018 09:19AM

iptba wrote: »

I thought this was interesting:

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/uk-fathers-airbrushed-existence-family-courts-favouring-bankrolling-mothers/

But we live in a patriarchy..

Calhoun · 10-02-2018 02:31PM

I am not surprised by this in the least, the crown prosecution service has actively withheld evidence in a number of rape cases the would have exonerated the accused.

Dont see why another part of their justice system would be anymore forgiving.

iptba · 13-02-2018 05:41AM

(5 minutes 58 seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gk1Wl6Gmjs

Statistics relate to the US.

Calhoun · 13-02-2018 12:44PM

My sarcasm meter blew up lol that was good.

iptba · 14-02-2018 04:53PM

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

#womeninleadership
conference in UCD

#SeriousSupport
Ladies GAA it seems

#WomenInScience
International Day of Women and Girls in Science

https://twitter.com/UNESCO/status/962098932238123008
https://twitter.com/UN/status/962598329216585730

#GalentinesDay
celebrating your lady friends

#womensinspire

#TooIntoYou
https://twitter.com/SpunOut/status/963782646290579457
https://twitter.com/Womens_Aid/status/963747989926883329

silverharp · 14-02-2018 04:58PM

^^

the only positive thing is the lack of interest in their tweets

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2018 05:31PM

silverharp wrote: »

^^

the only positive thing is the lack of interest in their tweets

That’s such a cynical way to see it. I think most posters here would be happy to see an international day of men in science to celebrate the men who make big contributions.

Supporting your mates on Valentine’s Day is at least harmless.

If men want more attention, fine. If not, fine. So why the animosity towards trending women’s issues? Jealousy or what?

iptba · 14-02-2018 05:47PM

silverharp wrote: »

^^

the only positive thing is the lack of interest in their tweets

However the #TooIntoYou is not just on Twitter. For example there is an article on it in the Irish Times.

I post these not just because they are trending on Twitter but they give an idea of events and initiatives that are taking place.

silverharp · 14-02-2018 05:59PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s such a cynical way to see it. I think most posters here would be happy to see an international day of men in science to celebrate the men who make big contributions.

Supporting your mates on Valentine’s Day is at least harmless.

If men want more attention, fine. If not, fine. So why the animosity towards trending women’s issues? Jealousy or what?

it was "is your boyfriend to into you" tweet that caught my interest. surely its a subject both sexes could have a problem with that as perp or victim? my hot take on it is that it falls into the formula of tell boys not to do things and warn girls about what boys can do. where are the "is your girlfriend a bit obsessive" tweets yadayada?

iptba · 14-02-2018 06:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s such a cynical way to see it. I think most posters here would be happy to see an international day of men in science to celebrate the men who make big contributions.

Supporting your mates on Valentine’s Day is at least harmless.

The manifesto includes "prioritise women's access to senior positions at leadership positions in the sciences".

Such initiatives can lead to discrimination against males.

You may not find it of interest, but I think it can justifiably be seen as something males might be interested in.

I will give you that the Galentine's day trend may not be particularly interesting or important.

14-02-2018 06:19PM

silverharp wrote: »

it was "is your boyfriend to into you" tweet that caught my interest. surely its a subject both sexes could have a problem with that as perp or victim? my hot take on it is that it falls into the formula of tell boys not to do things and warn girls about what boys can do. where are the "is your girlfriend a bit obsessive" tweets yadayada?

Or the various research (US stats admittedly) that shows that there are plenty of girls in teen relationships who are violent towards their boyfriends. It's not on par with male violence, but that doesn't remove the possibility that your girlfriend might be violent... and that there should be some acknowledgment of that.

But hey! Let's pretend that violent behavior by females isn't happening (by not referring to it, or pushing it into the background noise) and focus entirely on the males. Go Equality!

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2018 06:33PM

silverharp wrote:

it was "is your boyfriend to into you" tweet that caught my interest. surely its a subject both sexes could have a problem with that as perp or victim? my hot take on it is that it falls into the formula of tell boys not to do things and warn girls about what boys can do. where are the "is your girlfriend a bit obsessive" tweets yadayada?

If you think there should be a corresponding '"is your girlfriend a bit obsessive" tweets yadayada', then start one. I wouldn't be bothered either way. But I can't understand the animosity towards the '
other side' when they achieve something that you would also like.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2018 06:39PM

Deleted User wrote:

Or the various research (US stats admittedly) that shows that there are plenty of girls in teen relationships who are violent towards their boyfriends. It's not on par with male violence, but that doesn't remove the possibility that your girlfriend might be violent... and that there should be some acknowledgment of that.

But hey! Let's pretend that violent behavior by females isn't happening (by not referring to it, or pushing it into the background noise) and focus entirely on the males. Go Equality!

Same as anything else. Violence against either gender is bad. I'd support any campaign to highlight violence against either gender or both genders. I don't think you should give in to your urge to view the female focused campaigns in a negative light. Likewise I would disagree with anyone who views a male focused campaign in a negative light, or gender neutral campaigns in a negative light.

silverharp · 15-02-2018 10:10AM

All for this this backwards procedure to be banned, if no society had ever practiced it and someone suggested it today you would be thrown in a loony bin. Interesting to see if it passes as some other Nordic countries have been pondering the issue. I believe once the age of consent is reached they are free to make their choice so overall a reasonable compromise.

Jewish leaders hit out over Iceland

The proposal has been put forward by Progressive Party MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir and is backed by several other Icelandic politicians.

Circumcising girls has been illegal in Iceland since 2005, but there is no provision for boys, Gunnarsdóttir told Euronews.

The bill proposes a six-year prison term for anyone found guilty of “removing part or all of the [child’s] sexual organs”.

Gunnarsdóttir said she was acting on advice issued by children’s ombudsmen in five Nordic countries. They said in 2013 that “circumcision without a medical indication on a person unable to provide informed consent conflicts with basic principles of medical ethics, particularly because the operation is irreversible, painful and may cause serious complications."

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2018 10:19AM

silverharp wrote:

All for this this backwards procedure to be banned, if no society had ever practiced it and someone suggested it today you would be thrown in a loony bin. Interesting to see if it passes as some other Nordic countries have been pondering the issue. I believe once the age of consent is reached they are free to make their choice so overall a reasonable compromise.

Spot on.

I listened to an American show discussing male circumcisions and the host said 'yeah but foreskin is fcuking ugly' . And a point which seemed to carry weight was that circumcised men wanted their son to look like them. It would down to cosmetic surgery on an infant's genitals. Mental stuff.

silverharp · 15-02-2018 10:26AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Spot on.

I listened to an American show discussing male circumcisions and the host said 'yeah but foreskin is fcuking ugly' . And a point which seemed to carry weight was that circumcised men wanted their son to look like them. It would down to cosmetic surgery on an infant's genitals. Mental stuff.

the US has an odd attitude to it, the youtuber MundaneMatt did a piece on it yesterday and he said an ex girlfriend broke up with him because he wasn't circumcised.

iptba · 15-02-2018 06:09PM

Single Dads Have Higher Risk for Premature Mortality
By Amy Orciari Herman

Edited by Richard Saitz, MD, MPH, FACP, DFASAM

Single fathers have a higher mortality risk than partnered fathers or single or partnered mothers, according to a Lancet Public Health study.

Researchers used Ontario health and mortality databases to study roughly 900 single fathers (living with a child under age 25), 4600 single mothers, 16,000 partnered fathers, and 19,000 partnered mothers. During a median 11 years' follow-up, single fathers had the highest mortality rate (5.8 per 1000 person-years), followed by partnered fathers (1.9 per 1000), single mothers (1.7), and partnered mothers (1.2).

At baseline, single fathers generally were older (average age, 46), ate fewer fruits and vegetables, reported more binge-drinking, and were more likely to have cancer, compared with the other groups. However, even after adjustment for these factors, single fathers had more than a twofold higher mortality risk.

https://www.jwatch.org/fw113852/2018/02/15/single-dads-have-higher-risk-premature-mortality

To prove causation, ideally one would do a randomised controlled trial, but it would be hard to see that would be a ethical.

Koala Sunshine · 15-02-2018 06:54PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you think there should be a corresponding '"is your girlfriend a bit obsessive" tweets yadayada', then start one. I wouldn't be bothered either way. But I can't understand the animosity towards the '
other side' when they achieve something that you would also like.

It's the hypocricy, such groups supposedly champion equality, yet their actions say otherwise.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-02-2018 08:06PM

Koala Sunshine wrote:

It's the hypocricy, such groups supposedly champion equality, yet their actions say otherwise.

Do they? Do you know if the group who is trying to increase the number of women in STEM jobs, champions equalityif they champion female advancement in STEM, then its not really hypocritical. If they were internally consistent, would that make it better?

Most of the last batch of trending twitter hashtags are simply women supporting each other in one way or another. Is that hypocritical?

iptba · 15-02-2018 08:25PM

There seems to be some hypocrisy or double standards in the way events for men or men-only groupings are treated/viewed/discussed compared to those for women.

(Irish Times, February 14)
Hosting Amateur Championship at male-only Portmarnock does golf no favours
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/hosting-amateur-championship-at-male-only-portmarnock-does-golf-no-favours-1.3391882

Harvard University Bans Single-Gender Clubs — Unless They're Women-Only
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26802/harvard-university-bans-single-gender-clubs-unless-emily-zanotti#exit-modal

DEFTLEFTHAND · 16-02-2018 05:19PM

iptba wrote: »

The manifesto includes "prioritise women's access to senior positions at leadership positions in the sciences".

Such initiatives can lead to discrimination against males.

You may not find it of interest, but I think it can justifiably be seen as something males might be interested in.

I will give you that the Galentine's day trend may not be particularly interesting or important.

What does the bolded part mean exactly?

You get to leadership positions based on performance and merit, also personal suitably to such a role. I for one as a male know that I do not possess leadership qualities and actively shy away from such roles.

You can't just throw somebody into a leadership role because they're a certain gender. The person with all the required attributes of a leader should be upped, regardless of what sex they are.

TheAnalyst_ · 16-02-2018 05:22PM

Why are men into mens rights by and large complete losers? That would turn many off from even considering the subject.

Pawwed Rig · 16-02-2018 06:22PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You can't just throw somebody into a leadership role because they're a certain gender. The person with all the required attributes of a leader should be upped, regardless of what sex they are.

Yes you can. It happens all the time in the public sector

Calhoun · 16-02-2018 10:09PM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Why are men into mens rights by and large complete losers? That would turn many off from even considering the subject.

We could ask the same for the female groups, disenfranchised people look for groups to feel comfortable with. However the net-net is the groups on their own become and echo chamber and people become more hardline.

Doesn't mean men in general shouldnt care about their rights, we should be mature enough to realize the difference.

tritium · 18-02-2018 09:36AM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Why are men into mens rights by and large complete losers? That would turn many off from even considering the subject.

What do you mean by “by and large”? I can think of many prominent advocates for men’s rights who are highly successful both professionally and personally, in spite of how op Ed’s in certain publications discuss them. I can think of many successful men AND women who are into men’s rights. Can you give us some examples- Perhaps you may gain from exposure to a wider sample of people, some of whom regular posters here will be familiar with.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-02-2018 05:21PM

Calhoun wrote:

So are you trolling? or are you a feminist? is there a reason why people interest in mens rights are losers?

They might be trolling but thry haven't said anything to indicate they're feminist.

Wibbs · 18-02-2018 05:53PM

Not liking the tone of your posts TheAnalyst. Thread on X, poster asks why all who support X are [insert derogatory terms here]. Certainly smells like trolling to me, regardless of the subject*.

Don't post in this thread again. Your posts will be deleted.

*another example and an all too common one might be why are all feminists fat and ugly. I'd ban you for that too.

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