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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

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  • #2102
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    The point is flying over your head.
    The fetus cannot survive without the woman, it is inside her body, it should be up to her what happens it.
    When the baby can survive by itself it’s a different ball game.
    Whether it’s male or female is irrelevant, the woman should take priority regardless.

    There is two human lives and bodies involved not one, and they both have an equal right to life, regardless if they are a women or a girl.


  • #2103
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    You're the one that keeps bringing up females rights, yet don't see the irony of killing female children in the womb.



    And yet the need to remove human rights of the unborn chilld from the constitution.

    Humans have equal right to life, no one has a higher right to life than someone else.

    Yes, the living, breathing females who are carrying the pregnancies. The females who are actually alive. Not the fetuses/unborn babies.


  • #2104
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Yes, the living, breathing females who are carrying the pregnancies. The females who are actually alive. Not the fetuses/unborn babies.

    A female unborn child is alive and living and breathing until you kill them.


  • #2105
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    There is two human lives and bodies involved not one, and they both have an equal right to life, regardless if they are a women or a girl.

    It’s a fetus/baby, it’s not like we’re talking about a 7 year old here. The gender is irrelevant anyway.

    Look, as I said, I feel my sister/mother/friends are more important. You feel the embryo is.
    That’s ok.
    Only one of us is forcing their opinion on the other, though. And I would rather let other people make up their own mind rather than force everyone to let the unborn take priority over their partner/relative.


  • #2106
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    A female unborn child is alive and living and breathing until you kill them.

    No they aren’t. If they were there would be no need for abortion because the baby could simply handed over to social services and there would be no harm done either way.

    If a fertility clinic was on fire, and there was a woman inside, and you could only save one, would you save the unborn embryos in the Petri dishes or the woman?


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  • #2107
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    It’s a fetus/baby, it’s not like we’re talking about a 7 year old here. The gender is irrelevant anyway.

    Look, as I said, I feel my sister/mother/friends are more important. You feel the embryo is.
    That’s ok.
    Only one of us is forcing their opinion on the other, though. And I would rather let other people make up their own mind rather than force everyone to let the unborn take priority over their partner/relative.

    Your your sister/mother/friends would not exist today if someone had killed them when they were an unborn child at their most defenseless. I'm not the one forcing their opinion on one human life over another, and advocating the taking of defenseless innocent human life.


  • #2108
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    No they aren’t. If they were there would be no need for abortion because the baby could simply handed over to social services and there would be no harm done either way.

    What, do you really think only dead unborn children are aborted ?
    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    If a fertility clinic was on fire, and there was a woman inside, and you could only save one, would you save the unborn embryos in the Petri dishes or the woman?

    Why could you only save one of them, that's a false scenario. Or to make up an equally ridiculous scenario, if a pregnant women is in a burning building to you refuse to save her because that involves saving an unborn child as well that you don't believe they have any right to live ?


  • #2109
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    Your your sister/mother/friends would not exist today if someone had killed them when they were an unborn child at their most defenseless. I'm not the one forcing their opinion on one human life over another, and advocating the taking of defenseless innocent human life.

    Yes, and as I said, if that was the case I would never know about it so it would make no difference.

    I trust woman to make the best choice they can, relevant to their circumstance, so therefore I trust the women that carried my mother/sister etc to do the same.

    If my own mother told me in the morning she had wanted to abort me (she didnt) I would respect that and hold no grudge.
    Because if she had, I would never know.

    I don’t see the logic into forcing anyone into something they don’t want.


  • #2110
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    What, do you really think only dead unborn children are aborted ?



    Why could you only save one of them, that's a false scenario. Or to make up an equally ridiculous scenario, if a pregnant women is in a burning building to you refuse to save her because that involves saving an unborn child as well that you don't believe they have any right to live ?

    I’m asking which would take priority, in your opinion? If you could only save one?
    And I don’t believe they should have no rights. I just believe the mothers rights should be superior.


  • #2111
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Yes, and as I said, if that was the case I would never know about it so it would make no difference.

    And as I said, just because you don't know about the taking of an innocent life, doesn't make it ok.
    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    I trust woman to make the best choice they can, relevant to their circumstance, so therefore I trust the women that carried my mother/sister etc to do the same.

    If my own mother told me in the morning she had wanted to abort me (she didnt) I would respect that and hold no grudge.
    Because if she had, I would never know.

    I don’t see the logic into forcing anyone into something they don’t want.

    Just because a person chooses they want to take another human life, that doesn't justify it.


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  • #2112
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    The pro abortionists are on God's left hand side.


  • #2113
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    I’m asking which would take priority, in your opinion? If you could only save one?
    And I don’t believe they should have no rights. I just believe the mothers rights should be superior.

    No human life takes priority over another, you do your best to save whoever you can. No human being should have a superior human right to life over another.


  • #2114
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    And as I said, just because you don't know about the taking of an innocent life, doesn't make it ok.



    Just because a person chooses they want to take another human life, that doesn't justify it.

    In your opinion. I think it can be very justifiable. And I know all about what is involved, and I still support repealing the 8th.


  • #2115
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »
    The pro abortionists are on God's left hand side.

    maybe start addressing the actual points for a change, instead of the cheap personal attacks.


  • #2116
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    Bob_Marley wrote:
    maybe start addressing the actual points instead for a change of the personal attacks.
    You are not listening to me. LISTEN CAREFULLY. I said that the game is up.


  • #2117
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    In your opinion. I think it can be very justifiable. And I know all about what is involved, and I still support repealing the 8th.

    And in your opinion you may claim it's justifiable to take a defenseless human life, but I still support retaining the human rights in the constitution and not removing them, and not taking innocent human life.


  • #2118
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    And in your opinion you may claim it's justifiable to take a defenseless human life, but I still support retaining the human rights in the constitution and not removing them, and not taking innocent human life.

    You can vote to repeal without being pro abortion. I myself would never have one and would offer all other options as preferable to that of abortion.

    However, I can recognize that there are times and situations where abortion is the only choice. I support women having that choice in Ireland.
    I don’t want any living person to suffer any further because of the 8th amendment.


  • #2119
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »
    You are not listening to me. LISTEN CAREFULLY. I said that the game is up.

    Posts like this are the reason people have no time for the church. Not everyone shares your beliefs.


  • #2120
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    You can vote to repeal without being pro abortion. I myself would never have one and would offer all other options as preferable to that of abortion.

    However, I can recognize that there are times and situations where abortion is the only choice. I support women having that choice in Ireland.
    I don’t want any living person to suffer any further because of the 8th amendment.

    Just because I would not take another human life, does not mean that I should support the choice of others to do so. Other than to facilitate the taking of another human life, I see no reason to remove the existing protection of human life from the constitution.


  • #2121
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    You don't believe me. You don't know who is talking to you.


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  • #2122
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »
    You don't believe me.

    No thankfully they don't. Unlike you they are having a debate about the issues instead of attacking the other person. It's time to take the plank out of your eye and stop casting stones.


  • #2123
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    Bob_Marley wrote:
    No thankfully they don't. It's time to take the plank out of your eye and stop casting stones.


    I told you you that you don't know who is talking to you.


  • #2124
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »
    I told you you that you don't know who is talking to you.

    Who are you then, Our Lord himself?


  • #2125
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    If you have to ask, you don't know.


  • #2126
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    God save us from those that interfere with small boys and women’s wombs.


  • #2127
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    Just because I would not take another human life, does not mean that I should support the choice of others to do so. Other than to facilitate the taking of another human life, I see no reason to remove the existing protection of human life from the constitution.

    You can’t see the wood from the trees. You have no idea of the circumstances other people find themselves in where abortion is necessary.
    Not to mention the effects the 8th has on maternity care and consent.

    You absolutely should facilitate other people having a choice in the matter, because to disagree with others having a choice is to imply that your opinion on the matter is superior to theirs, and that’s extremely arrogant.


  • #2128
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    david75 wrote: »
    God save us from those that interfere with small boys and women’s wombs.

    how about those who kill small boys in women's wombs ?


  • #2129
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    david75 wrote:
    God save us from those that interfere with small boys and women’s wombs.

    Stop!


  • #2130
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    I keep warning you. And you do not care.


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  • #2131
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »
    If you have to ask, you don't know.

    Why are you talking in riddles?
    Say what you mean or don’t say anything at all.


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