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    #212
    Dawggone
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    That's a serious package dawg. Would most farms in Europe operate this way?

    Short answer is no.
    But we give as much as we can outside of wage as tax/prsi etc is ~50%.
    So a man on €100/week in hand costs me €200.
    Yes we try and find the best and then keep them by offering equity.
    Funny enough the best man here was not born into farming at all and he shows up the farmers sons/daughters.


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    #213
    Greengrass1
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Short answer is no.
    But we give as much as we can outside of wage as tax/prsi etc is ~50%.
    So a man on €100/week in hand costs me €200.
    Yes we try and find the best and then keep them by offering equity.
    Funny enough the best man here was not born into farming at all and he shows up the farmers sons/daughters.
    Best man on my dairy course wasn't farming - contractors. Showed every one up. Two girls were very good too. Both got highest marks and one was runner up for student of yr out of all the dairy courses in various colleges


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    #214
    Timmaay
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Best man on my dairy course wasn't farming - contractors. Showed every one up. Two girls were very good too. Both got highest marks and one was runner up for student of yr out of all the dairy courses in various colleges

    What were you GG, the lazy know it all in your class :p


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    #215
    Greengrass1
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    Timmaay wrote: »
    What were you GG, the lazy know it all in your class :p

    Think that was all of us :D


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    #216
    whelan2
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    had a young lad here a few years ago, one day a week , doing his work placement from the leaving cert applied course. He was not from a farm but worked very hard and loved the farm, worked on his own initiative , would never have to tell him anything twice, he didnt want payment but i gave the wages to him in a lump sum at the end.


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    #217
    9de5q7tsr8u2im
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    This may sound awful but where would farmers generally browse around on the web in search of workers?


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    #218
    whelan2
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    LuckyDude12 wrote: »
    This may sound awful but where would farmers generally browse around on the web in search of workers?
    farmers journal website
    donedeal
    gumtree
    fas
    i am sure there are more


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    #219
    AP2014
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    LuckyDude12 wrote: »
    This may sound awful but where would farmers generally browse around on the web in search of workers?

    Escort Ireland!


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    #220
    Damo810
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Staff have two meals per day - lunch and dinner, provided.
    Free smart phone of their choice with free calls throughout Europe.
    Car/van/jeep for transport.
    Accommodation on farm provided.
    Changing room, tea room, and toilet and shower facilities.
    Overalls, boots and wellingtons provided.
    Health insurance included including dentist.
    We try to keep industrial hours but is not always possible....harvest, planting etc is difficult. Rarely have to resort to fast food for nourishment.

    Top staff are on target for equity in the business, if they want...

    Nothing a lad could complain about there. Everything provided and if things work out theres the option of career progression. One of the big problems for a farm labourer seems to be that he's stuck at that, theres no progression onto farm manager/owner etc like in plenty of other careers.
    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    35km away. Typo surely? That's some travel

    Currently cycling 15Km each way to where I work (30K round trip) until I get the car sorted out i college. Out the door for six and there for a little after 6:30 (Too dark to cycle earlier) finish up for around 6pm and home for 6:35pm.

    As for working on a persons own initiative, it seems to be something many struggle with on farms that aren't their own. It seems a little strange really as there is always something between heifers and cows feed bedding calves etc.


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    #221
    gazahayes
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Staff have two meals per day - lunch and dinner, provided.
    Free smart phone of their choice with free calls throughout Europe.
    Car/van/jeep for transport.
    Accommodation on farm provided.
    Changing room, tea room, and toilet and shower facilities.
    Overalls, boots and wellingtons provided.
    Health insurance included including dentist.
    We try to keep industrial hours but is not always possible....harvest, planting etc is difficult. Rarely have to resort to fast food for nourishment.

    Top staff are on target for equity in the business, if they want...

    Whats the starting pay like with all those perks?
    Working in a piggery at present we were being paid below jlc rates until one of the foreigners copped it.
    No progression just more work and more responsibility.
    Supply own boots and clothes.
    Work all bank holidays and every second weekend.


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    #222
    Feckthis
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Staff have two meals per day - lunch and dinner, provided.
    Free smart phone of their choice with free calls throughout Europe.
    Car/van/jeep for transport.
    Accommodation on farm provided.
    Changing room, tea room, and toilet and shower facilities.
    Overalls, boots and wellingtons provided.
    Health insurance included including dentist.
    We try to keep industrial hours but is not always possible....harvest, planting etc is difficult. Rarely have to resort to fast food for nourishment.

    Top staff are on target for equity in the business, if they want...

    Fair play dog. That seems very decent of you. What kinda wage could someone expect with all these benefits?


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    #223
    Chloris
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    Sorry to interject but where in the country are you? I'd do that work for that price because I'm looking for the experience.


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    #224
    Blackgrass
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Staff have two meals per day - lunch and dinner, provided.
    Free smart phone of their choice with free calls throughout Europe.
    Car/van/jeep for transport.
    Accommodation on farm provided.
    Changing room, tea room, and toilet and shower facilities.
    Overalls, boots and wellingtons provided.
    Health insurance included including dentist.
    We try to keep industrial hours but is not always possible....harvest, planting etc is difficult. Rarely have to resort to fast food for nourishment.

    Top staff are on target for equity in the business, if they want...
    Would be same here other than meals provided and share of the buisness down the line. Get mobile/health insurance through a purchasing group deal and cheaper more members involved ie. families..
    Oh and cars are their own but just put diesel in if want to borrow truck or work away on projects in workshop, hours vary with time of year.
    Don't live on fast food other than saturday mornings and occasional takeaway for a treat!
    Damo810 wrote: »
    Nothing a lad could complain about there. Everything provided and if things work out theres the option of career progression. One of the big problems for a farm labourer seems to be that he's stuck at that, theres no progression onto farm manager/owner etc like in plenty of other careers.

    As for working on a persons own initiative, it seems to be something many struggle with on farms that aren't their own. It seems a little strange really as there is always something between heifers and cows feed bedding calves etc.

    Might make it sound very simple but, can't see how a full time worker would just tun up day in day out without any drive to progress. If your in a place that won't facilitate training eg. in Ai or show you new skills like on dairy farm grass measuring or teach about balancing nutrition to get more yield etc just all the 'grunt' work there's not much staying. I suppose what trying to say if employer does give enough respect to allow you to find places to help fine tune the operation or up skill to become more flexible, get out.

    Simplet thing to do is get a white board and write down every day- week- big jobs down so if someone at a loose end don't need to go ringing or stand about. Might be as much folk are apprehensive as not 100% sure on farms system until there a few months?


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    #225
    mallowgarry
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    Base price wrote: »
    I thought that Agricultural workers wages were covered by National Wage Agreements. From memory and I stand corrected - a worker with experience minimum rate per hour is €9.40. It may have changed over the years but the rates used to be posted on the website of the Labour Relations Commission.

    They were covered until 2011....some hotel workers teamed up with their employer to argue that an hours cap on their working week was denying them their human right to employment, and all the JLC Agreements were subsequently abolished as Unconstitutional.

    Richard Bruton has been reforming the NWAs since, they are very watered down in terms of cop out clauses. From personal experience, a lot of fellas took advantage in the interim. There used to be set/maximum deductions for food and board, but I can't see those surviving in the new regime.


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    #226
    sh1tstirrer
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    Chloris wrote: »
    Sorry to interject but where in the country are you? I'd do that work for that price because I'm looking for the experience.
    He's in France, if it's dawg you are asking ;)


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    #227
    whelan2
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    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/get-paid-e17500-become-dairy-farm-manager/


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    #228
    Mf310
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    Anyone on here working for frs just wanting to know their rates before i apply for a job


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    #229
    mallowgarry
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭mallowgarry


    Don't know their current rates, but I know they were fond of wage deductions
    Being docked for toilet breaks at an industrial premises that had no toilet was one highlight.
    Keep your eyes open when you go onto a new farm - FRS put lads into places that others won't work. That same industrial premises had a fatality a few weeks ago, and I'm amazed it took so long to occur


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    #230
    DJ98
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    What are people currently paying farm workers per hr or what's the minimum anyone on here would work for in a day?


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    #231
    3 the square
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    DJ98 wrote: »
    What are people currently paying farm workers per hr or what's the minimum anyone on here would work for in a day?

    Min 100 euro per day for week day


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    #232
    Mooooo
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    Depends on experience etc really


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    #233
    adam14
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    3 the square wrote: »
    Min 100 euro per day for week day

    How could you survive on that


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    #234
    Ajsoprano
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    adam14 wrote: »
    How could you survive on that

    Welcome to the real world lad. Plenty surviving on less that work with me.


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    DJ98
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    How many hours would you expect a person to work in a day, 8 max?


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    3 the square
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    adam14 wrote: »
    How could you survive on that

    No , I gave a good deal of time with f r s was able to earn well over that doing the milking
    U would need some experience in milking e t c but u would be well played.


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    #237
    Pidae.m
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    There a man down here gives out he can't get anyone to work for him..... says sur no one wants to be here before 7(am) and at around 11(pm) there looking to go home.

    The man milks 200 cows on his own!


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    #238
    Pidae.m
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    €10 an hour for anyone here. I'd pay for grub or they get grub here.


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    #239
    simx
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    Pidae.m wrote: »
    There a man down here gives out he can't get anyone to work for him..... says sur no one wants to be here before 7(am) and at around 11(pm) there looking to go home.

    The man milks 200 cows on his own!

    That man is a tulip :D


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    #240
    einn32
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    DJ98 wrote: »
    How many hours would you expect a person to work in a day, 8 max?

    Eight hours seems fair enough, especially if paid per day.


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    einn32
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    Pidae.m wrote: »
    There a man down here gives out he can't get anyone to work for him..... says sur no one wants to be here before 7(am) and at around 11(pm) there looking to go home.

    The man milks 200 cows on his own!

    Why doesn't he offer shift work?


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