Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

Sad Professor · 05-02-2018 01:55AM

Falthyron wrote: »

I'm referring to the dialogue itself: "I'm gonna be a pilot. The best in the galaxy", with the cheeky nod of "Oh yeah, sure." from the Officer. We all know who Han becomes, how about making him the best pilot by his actions not by playing some 4th wall joke with the audience where we call all go: "Ha, silly Empire Officer. We know he becomes the best. The joke is on you."

That's not breaking the fourth wall. Not even close.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 01:56AM

david75 wrote: »

She looks cool

https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/960312458173927424

I still think she will be someone important, royalty, or a proper lady. Thereby laying the foundations for Han's love for Leia in the OT.

david75 · 05-02-2018 01:57AM

I think it’s fairly obvious the imperial officer is in recruitment and has heard it all before hence his tone.

david75 · 05-02-2018 01:59AM

It’s almost a dead certainty The two pieces of dialogue don’t go together. Just edited for the trailer.

johnny_ultimate · 05-02-2018 02:01AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Yes, it is. When Han says that to the officer, his response is to make a joke of it, but the audience knows he is wrong and therefore we can all have a cheap laugh.

It’s not breaking the fourth wall. That requires the characters or work in question to directly address the audience or comment on the work’s fictional nature - see House of Cards or Deadpool. This is just a little in-joke.

Acknowledging the audience’s awareness without explicitly addressing them is something different entirely. Much drama, after all, is based on the gap in knowledge between the characters and audience - when we know something they do not.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 02:03AM

david75 wrote: »

It’s almost a dead certainty The two pieces of dialogue don’t go together. Just edited for the trailer.

Perhaps.

I do like the visual style though. I'll give it that. I'm just not sure if I can look at Alden and convince myself that I am looking at and hearing Han Solo.

david75 · 05-02-2018 02:06AM

He’s been signed for three pictures. We’d better get used to the idea.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 02:06AM

david75 wrote: »

He’s been signed for three pictures. We’d better get used to the idea.

What? Are you serious? Are they making three 'Solo' films or three films where Han is a character/may appear?

david75 · 05-02-2018 02:20AM

Falthyron wrote: »

What? Are you serious? Are they making three 'Solo' films or three films where Han is a character/may appear?

No. It’s normal to cover your options and sign them up for multiple pictures. It doesn’t mean they’ll make three it just means they have the option. That way he can’t strangle hold them for more money / better terms if a sequel were to be made.

Pretty much exactly what Harrison Ford did in negotiations for ROTJ.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 02:24AM

david75 wrote: »

No. It’s normal to cover your options and sign them up for multiple pictures. It doesn’t mean they’ll make three it just means they have the option. That way he can’t strangle hold them for more money / better terms if a sequel were to be made.

Pretty much exactly what Harrison Ford did in negotiations for ROTJ.

Well, if they do decide to make more, lets hope those rumours about Alden needing acting lessons during the shoot as Disney were unhappy with the performance prove to be false.

david75 · 05-02-2018 02:33AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Well, if they do decide to make more, lets hope those rumours about Alden needing acting lessons during the shoot as Disney were unhappy with the performance prove to be false.

He had an acting coach. That’s not lessons. Nor is it at all unusual on a set some of the great actors and musicians too often get lessons to improve technique.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 02:39AM

david75 wrote: »

He had an acting coach. That’s not lessons. Nor is it at all unusual on a set some of the great actors and musicians too often get lessons to improve technique.

Semantics. It doesn't change the fact that there is a reason to be concerned. Disney sanctioned a film featuring a character played by an iconic actor to be played by someone else. It is already going to be difficult to convince the naysayers to come along and see it. But, when concerns over the quality of the performance leak from the set, it doesn't bode well.

What was the last major film released were concerns over the main character's performance leaked from the set? Usually, we hear about actors clashing with other actors, or being difficult to work with.

david75 · 05-02-2018 02:45AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Semantics. It doesn't change the fact that there is a reason to be concerned. Disney sanctioned a film featuring a character played by an iconic actor to be played by someone else. It is already going to be difficult to convince the naysayers to come along and see it. But, when concerns over the quality of the performance leak from the set, it doesn't bode well.

What was the last major film released were concerns over the main character's performance leaked from the set? Usually, we hear about actors clashing with other actors, or being difficult to work with.

Been following this production closely and never heard anything about ‘concerns about the main characters performance’ anywhere at all. Did hear he was the one unhappy with the direction he was being given as too comedic and reported it to producers.
Is there really a point to being ‘concerned’? It’s coming whether we like it or not and priming ourselves to be disappointed seems fairly pointless although a running theme here on boards to be fair.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 02:50AM

david75 wrote: »

Been following this production closely and never heard anything about ‘concerns about the main characters performance’ anywhere at all. Did hear he was the one unhappy with the direction he was being given as too comedic and reported it to producers.
Is there really a point to being ‘concerned’? It’s coming whether we like it or not and priming ourselves to be disappointed seems fairly pointless although a running theme here on boards to be fair.

Report from last summer about Alden's performance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/han-solo-film-alden-ehrenreich-acting-coach-star-wars-disney-phil-lord-chris-miller-ron-howard-a7809691.html

A new piece from The Hollywood Reporter has painted a particularly troubling picture of the production, with Lucasfilm's dissatisfactions apparently expanding beyond just the film's directors: sources claim an acting coach was even hired for star Alden Ehrenreich, after his performance failed to please the studio.

You are quite right that we shouldn't be priming ourselves to be disappointed. But, I would argue, accepting whatever Disney throws as us as gospel and the best of intentions is equally bad. If Disney's approach is cynical then surely so should the audience's outlook as to the end product. The concerns about this film (changing directors, extensive re-shoots, wrong tone, Alden's performance) is enough to raise discussion as to whether or not this film is going to work, nevermind become the resounding success you want it to be.

david75 · 05-02-2018 02:55AM

R2?

david75 · 05-02-2018 03:02AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Report from last summer about Alden's performance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/han-solo-film-alden-ehrenreich-acting-coach-star-wars-disney-phil-lord-chris-miller-ron-howard-a7809691.html

You are quite right that we shouldn't be priming ourselves to be disappointed. But, I would argue, accepting whatever Disney throws as us as gospel and the best of intentions is equally bad. If Disney's approach is cynical then surely so should the audience's outlook as to the end product. The concerns about this film (changing directors, extensive re-shoots, wrong tone, Alden's performance) is enough to raise discussion as to whether or not this film is going to work, nevermind become the resounding success you want it to be.

Lucasfilm makes the films. Disney releases them. They don’t get involved with the production at all, they write the cheques, they do the marketing and collect the box office. They stay out of the way of the film being made. Same with the other big franchise they own, Marvel.
I don’t care either way if its a resounding success nor a massive flop. I neither profit from that nor lose from it. I only hope I like it.

Falthyron · 05-02-2018 03:16AM

david75 wrote: »

Lucasfilm makes the films. Disney releases them. They don’t get involved with the production at all, they write the cheques, they do the marketing and collect the box office. They stay out of the way of the film being made. Same with the other big franchise they own, Marvel.
I don’t care either way if its a resounding success nor a massive flop. I neither profit from that nor lose from it. I only hope I like it.

Disney paid $4 billion for this franchise. They aren't going to sit idly by and hope that LucasFilm do a good job. They want their money back and more importantly, they want to start making profits through the films, the TV shows, the books, the toys, everything. It is in their immediate interest to make sure these films are a success and they will do whatever needs to be done to protect that interest, including replacing directors. Publicly, Disney can't be found near these films, but I can guarantee you that major decisions are being made (at the very least) in agreement with Disney.

My only hope is that Disney allow LucasFilm to become ambitious and go make Star Wars films far removed from any existing character, trope, tone, or generation, for that matter. Its set in a galaxy far, far, away, but as of right now the approach suggests it is set in a village down the road where everyone knows everyone.

david75 · 05-02-2018 03:31AM

Their MO is to buy successful franchises and and get out of the way and let the people that know what they’re doing in the thing they bought, do their thing. They don’t dictate or insert themselves into the creative process. Unlike WB consistently getting involved with DC films and their suits screwing them up.

Rian Johnson is overseeing a trilogy in an entirely unseen part of the galaxy with an entirely new story. So your wish is granted.

tigger123 · 05-02-2018 09:07AM

It's only a teaser, but I really like the look of it so far.

Much darker in tone than I expected, but on reflection it shouldn't be that much of a surprise given it's in the same(ish) period as Rogue One.

Trailer has definitely got me engaged in it.

speedboatchase · 05-02-2018 09:51AM

david75 wrote: »

R2?

Who cares? Everything in this movie will be something or someone we've seen or heard about before. The entire third act is gonna be the Kessel Run, a throwaway line Harrison Ford improvised.

Mickeroo · 05-02-2018 10:08AM

Story/tone wise it looks much as I would have expected but visually it looks great.

pixelburp · 05-02-2018 10:12AM

Well it's a teaser - but at least not one of those obnoxiously short trailers for a trailer; not going to judge too much at this point but GOD it's nice to see some actual footage of this.

At least with Howard at the helm reshooting about 90% of the film, it should lessen the risk of it being a total, utter mess. It's easy to sniff at Howard for being some kind of hack, but the man's a consummate professional who (mostly) makes solid, entertaining crowd-pleasers. I'd take 10 Ron Howards over half the nobodies most blockbusters hire, including all the not-James Gunns in the MCU.

Hector Savage · 05-02-2018 10:19AM

david75 wrote: »

R2?

For sure they will find some way of sticking them in there ...

At this stage Disney could make Old Republic movies and "somehow" they would appear in it

JohnFalstaff · 05-02-2018 10:29AM

Sad Professor wrote: »

The Falcon being brand new is annoying. How it does it go from that to being a piece of junk in the space of 10 years?

You should see my car. And she only had to contend with the M50 for the past 10 years - not quite the Kessel Run, but close.

Drumpot · 05-02-2018 10:45AM

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

You should see my car. And she only had to contend with the M50 for the past 10 years - not quite the Kessel Run, but close.

Yep, I had my car cleaned professionally just before Christmas and it looks like I drive through ditches and eat my dinners in it!

Goodshape · 05-02-2018 10:51AM

It's great how they managed to keep it in exactly the same condition then for the next 30 years, though.

Funny how that happens.

Drumpot · 05-02-2018 10:52AM

What’s funny is that I had little interest in this movie. That trailer looks great. I love the gritty rogue one feel.

Say what you want about Disney but I’m already looking forward to seeing how this movie plays out now.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:01AM

david75 wrote: »

Fvck yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o

Well, it looks like Star Wars.

Plus new TIEs and new droids.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:14AM

homerun_homer wrote: »

Regarding toy pic, why can’t Stormtroopers just be regular old stormtroopers? (Not opening this up to merchandise discussion)

You just answered your own question there homer.

In any case, the Empire spans a galaxy, so it stands to reason that there are different types of special forces all over the place. I thought the new types in 'Rogue One' were great too. Those Death Trooper and Coastal Defence lads were the business.

However, as a lover of all things Empire, new Imperial stuff is one of the things that will draw me to this film. FFS, I just saw a new TIE fighter and now I'm thinking I might actually go and see this bloody thing after all - despite a year of bitching about it.

Star Wars fans and their money - easily parted.

homerun_homer wrote: »

Trailer is a bit... I’m not too sure about the voices I’m hearing. Quirky, comical empire guy, and Solo is not giving me the vibe of Han so far. But that’s just initial 20 second trailer response. I’m hoping it’s not an elongated version of that with still no clearer an indication of what Alden Ehrenrich is like in the role. I’ve faith in him, but the snippet of audio didn’t do it for me.

Ehrenreich will never be Han Solo and will always stick out like a sore thumb.

But, have you ever talked to a military recruiter? I haven't personally, but my dad always said they they're all smiles and chocolate, til you sign on the dotted line and then you get to meet your Drill Sergeant.

homerun_homer wrote: »

And guys, Rogue One was an awesome battle but a mess of a film. It’s the law of diminishing returns. The flaws get worse and worse with each watch and I find them harder to sit through.

Um....no.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:21AM

Falthyron wrote: »

You are quite right that we shouldn't be priming ourselves to be disappointed. But, I would argue, accepting whatever Disney throws as us as gospel and the best of intentions is equally bad. If Disney's approach is cynical then surely so should the audience's outlook as to the end product. The concerns about this film (changing directors, extensive re-shoots, wrong tone, Alden's performance) is enough to raise discussion as to whether or not this film is going to work, nevermind become the resounding success you want it to be.

It's difficult not to be cynical about this film, with all the nonsense that surrounded it.

I would recommend caution too, considering the trailer for 'The Last Jedi' promised a far different film than the one we got.

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Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493