Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

optogirl · 01-02-2018 03:45PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What a strange argument. Someone like Beyonce might prompt similar feelings among people. Does that mean she has something to say?

Absolutely. Plenty of people adore her & value what she has to say. I'm not one of them but a few million people would disagree with me on that.

DickSwiveller · 01-02-2018 03:51PM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

A guy called Blindboy boatclub, member of a duo who wear shopping bags on their face, writes stories about otters called Yurty Aherne & songs about bags of glue is a conformist?

I've heard it all now.

No, he's just an idiot. Those who follow him are conformists.

Mickiemcfist · 01-02-2018 04:02PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

No, he's just an idiot. Those who follow him are conformists.

Insightful stuff

optogirl · 01-02-2018 04:06PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

No, he's just an idiot. Those who follow him are conformists.

We're all individuals (I'm not)

cantdecide · 01-02-2018 04:11PM

optogirl wrote: »

We're all individuals (I'm not)

Speak for yourself (and me)

OldMrBrennan83 · 01-02-2018 04:17PM

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bigar · 01-02-2018 05:01PM

I honestly never heard of him and my friends do not know him either.

DickSwiveller · 01-02-2018 05:12PM

bigar wrote: »

I honestly never heard of him and my friends do not know him either.

Well, RTE are trying to make sure that we all hear of him.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-02-2018 05:17PM

bigar wrote: »

I honestly never heard of him and my friends do not know him either.

What age are you?

Boatclub and his partner were somewhat popular back around 2011, 12 so they may be before your time.

Vladimir Poontang · 01-02-2018 05:32PM

They amount of times I've heard Rubberbandits cheerleaders whisper breathlessly that one of them has an MA as if it somehow validated the ****e they spew is unreal.

A ****ing MA. Any semi-literate gob****e can get one these days.

It always makes me cringe when it gets trotted out.

southstar · 01-02-2018 05:43PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What do you expect in an infantile society? The fact that this clown is taken seriously shows what a state we're in. Had he anything interesting to say I might give him a chance, but from what I've heard he's just another banal, politically correct bore.

I taught that he was just another talentless media whore but have got to admit that I roared with laughter at some of their videos...great fun ,well produced and written and not an ounce of political correctness.They slag that conniving chancer Willie O Dea off in one ...its a bit close to the bone but more honest I'd suggest say than of the weasel words that come from that mans mouth.The clown/humour is in fact a great leveller

Danjamin1 · 01-02-2018 06:32PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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He's very open on the podcast that what he's saying shouldn't be taken as gospel on a subject, he regularly encourages listeners to do their own research and engage with him if what he says is wrong. It's a podcast that he does so he can talk about topics that interest him and give his opinions, it's a work of entertainment directed at an audience, it's not meant to be taken as an educational tool.

I enjoy the podcast, it's light and some of the topics he covers are quite interesting. Easy listening for walking the dog.

King of Kings · 01-02-2018 07:13PM

blindboy is a fool - preachy b0llocks who thinks we should bow to the alter of identity politics and the rest.

He is pretty much a SJW in the vein of LON

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 12:35AM

DickSwiveller wrote:

What a strange argument. Someone like Beyonce might prompt similar feelings among people. Does that mean she has something to say?

If their art strikes such a chord with people, then they obviously have something to say.

The fact that their art prompts feelings in a large number of people means they obviously have a message because their message is resonating with people.

conorhal · 02-02-2018 12:39AM

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

They amount of times I've heard Rubberbandits cheerleaders whisper breathlessly that one of them has an MA as if it somehow validated the ****e they spew is unreal.

A ****ing MA. Any semi-literate gob****e can get one these days.

It always makes me cringe when it gets trotted out.

Yeah, a couple of college buffons LARPing as working class while parroting middle class virtue signalling talking points.
Are they even a thing any more? This is just blindboy trying to stay relevant.

jonski · 02-02-2018 12:47AM

I'm guessing they make some people feel uncomfortable with what they are saying or how they are saying it or how they look or where they are from . Otherwise they would just say ' nah, I don't like that' and then move on . Or maybe some people just need to be complaining about something .

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 12:48AM

Patww79 wrote:

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And you're the arbiter of what is and isn't art now? 'if I don't like/get it, it isn't art'. Yawn.

Patww79 wrote:

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So you didn't get he point he was making then? About how masculinity is being commercialised. And the problem is that the Ideal masculinity is something that has to be given to you from the outside through image and consumerism and the type of cup you use. The idea that there's such thing as a 'manly' cup colouring is an interesting point and he unpacks it in an interesting way.

I think you might have rumpled his story telling technique. You're too clever to be fooled by a rhetorical device like pretending he actually lost his cup because it blended with the grass. Of course he didn't actually lose the cup, it was part of the narrative. Most of which you don't seem to have understood.

The podcast must have been boring for you if all but the descriptive details were flying over your head.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 01:05AM

conorhal wrote:

Yeah, a couple of college buffons LARPing as working class while parroting middle class virtue signalling talking points. Are they even a thing any more? This is just blindboy trying to stay relevant.

Yeah Blindboy does a weekly podcast which is very currently very successful, particularly with young men.

He commits the cardinal sin of discussing men's mental health. He goes even further into depravity by suggesting men examine their sense of self esteem and where they get their positive reinforcement from, locus of control and so on. That way they can better control their own self esteem without being dependant on others approval.

Conservative virtue signalling reqiures tearing down anyone who tries to discuss men's mental health.

Maybe those dull conservative types feel men who experience mental ill health should just ' buck up', and join the list of suicides on RIP.IE.

conorhal · 02-02-2018 01:13AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah Blindboy does a weekly podcast which is very currently very successful, particularly with young men.

He commits the cardinal sin of discussing men's mental health. He goes even further into depravity by suggesting men examine their sense of self esteem and where they get their positive reinforcement from, locus of control and so on. That way they can better control their own self esteem without being dependant on others approval.

Conservative virtue signalling reqiures tearing down anyone who tries to discuss men's mental health.

Maybe those dull conservative types feel men who experience mental ill health should just ' buck up', and join the list of suicides on RIP.IE.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 01:16AM

conorhal wrote:

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Yes you did your due diligence and had a pop at Blindboy for trying to offer help and support you young men. You can rest assured, our conservative virtue has been signalled loud and clear.

riffmongous · 02-02-2018 01:22AM

southstar wrote: »

I taught that he was just another talentless media whore but have got to admit that I roared with laughter at some of their videos...great fun ,well produced and written and not an ounce of political correctness.They slag that conniving chancer Willie O Dea off in one ...its a bit close to the bone but more honest I'd suggest say than of the weasel words that come from that mans mouth.The clown/humour is in fact a great leveller

Willie actually went on to defend them on rhe radio a few years later. It's a great tune, going to go give it a listen now

Jcarroll07 · 02-02-2018 01:24AM

We can all be like blindlboy just throw in the word neo-liberlism every now and then and people will think you know what you are talking about even if you dont. Hell 99% of people won't even know you are miss using the phrase neo liberalism anyway because they like you won't actually know what it means. But who cares its perception not reality that matters right?

SteelyDanJalapeno · 02-02-2018 02:07AM

If you close your eyes you can't even see the bag on his head.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-02-2018 02:31AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah Blindboy does a weekly podcast which is very currently very successful, particularly with young men.

He commits the cardinal sin of discussing men's mental health. He goes even further into depravity by suggesting men examine their sense of self esteem and where they get their positive reinforcement from, locus of control and so on. That way they can better control their own self esteem without being dependant on others approval.

Conservative virtue signalling reqiures tearing down anyone who tries to discuss men's mental health.

Maybe those dull conservative types feel men who experience mental ill health should just ' buck up', and join the list of suicides on RIP.IE.

I don’t like him because he’s a twat in a shopping bag. Pretty sure he’s over emphasising the accent too.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 02:44AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

I donâ€™t like him because heâ€™s a twat in a shopping bag. Pretty sure heâ€™s over emphasising the accent too.

Almost like it's performance art?

I'm seeing a trend in the ones who are most critical of Blindboy. They only seem to understand it on the most basic, descriptive level.

How would he have to present himself to get you to focus on the actual content of his speech? Wear a tuxedo with a top hat, handlebar moustache and a monocle and delivered in the queen's English through received pronunciation?

If you can't separate the content from the character he used to deliver it, then you're problem isn't Blindboy. It's much more fundamental than that. Don't worry, I blame the education system.

_Whimsical_ · 02-02-2018 03:05AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah Blindboy does a weekly podcast which is very currently very successful, particularly with young men.

He commits the cardinal sin of discussing men's mental health. He goes even further into depravity by suggesting men examine their sense of self esteem and where they get their positive reinforcement from, locus of control and so on. That way they can better control their own self esteem without being dependant on others approval.

Conservative virtue signalling reqiures tearing down anyone who tries to discuss men's mental health.

Maybe those dull conservative types feel men who experience mental ill health should just ' buck up', and join the list of suicides on RIP.IE.

Where is the current evidence for this in bold?
In recent years we have heard countless Irish men with some level of media cache discussing their mental health issues, tv stars, sports stars, authors, presenters, comedians. To name a mere few Tommy Tiernan, Donal Og, Brent Pope, Bressie, Eamon Dunphy, Micheal Harding, Eoghan Mc Dermott. And they're just the few I remember off the top of my head.
All their contributions to the conversation around mental health have been welcomed and valuable to both sexes .They've been treated respectfully and been even lauded as heroic and inspiring for speaking of their suffering. It's never been used as ground to later undermine any man speaking out.

I can't think of such a long list of female names however who have discussed brushes with serious mental health issues who've had their contributions to the conversation so praised or their experience extolled as heroic or inspiring. I think in recent years women have got much more of the "God help ya, ya pathetic crathur" sort of response instead when they've spoken publicly about it. I can think of Sinead O'Connor... not many more.

Yes young men need to hear more and more that it's essential to talk and seek help for problems but they don't need to continually reinforced that men's mental health issues are dramatically stigmatized in the wider consciousness. There just isn't evidence to suggest that. Men who speak up publicly are warmly welcomed, that's the real,current example we need to point young men to in the hope of encouraging that behaviour.

El_Duderino 09 · 02-02-2018 03:31AM

_Whimsical_ wrote:

Where is the current evidence for this in bold? In recent years we have heard countless Irish men with some level of media cache discussing their mental health issues, tv stars, sports stars, authors, presenters, comedians. To name a mere few Tommy Tiernan, Donal Og, Brent Pope, Bressie, Eamon Dunphy, Micheal Harding, Eoghan Mc Dermott. And they're just the few I remember off the top of my head. All their contributions to the conversation around mental health have been welcomed and valuable to both sexes .They've been treated respectfully and been even lauded as heroic and inspiring for speaking of their suffering. It's never been used as ground to later undermine any man speaking out.

Treated respectfully? Ah here. I respect them for their message any you light also but that's not the only significant respons. Check out the analysis of them in the gentleman's forum and you'll see the kind of treatment men like Breslin get. It's far from respectful.

This thread is calling Blindboy SJW, virtue signalling etc for discussing men's mental health.

_Whimsical_ wrote:

I can't think of such a long list of female names however who have discussed brushes with serious mental health issues who've had their contributions to the conversation so praised or their experience extolled as heroic or inspiring. I think in recent years women have got much more of the "God help ya, ya pathetic crathur" sort of response instead when they've spoken publicly about it. I can think of Sinead O'Connor... not many more.

I can't think of female names either but I'm a man so I don't really notice when media is directed specifically at women.

_Whimsical_ wrote:

Yes young men need to hear more and more that it's essential to talk and seek help for problems but they don't need to continually reinforced that men's mental health issues are dramatically stigmatized in the wider consciousness. There just isn't evidence to suggest that. Men who speak up publicly are warmly welcomed, that's the real,current example we need to point young men to in the hope of encouraging that behaviour.

That's exactly what Blindboy does. He talks about his own experience of mental ill health and how he overcame it. The message is clearly that "you're not broken, you can get back to bring a happy, productive man again, you need to address the issue"

I hear a lot about the problem with men's mental health and suicide rates. Most people agree that more should be done to help men. But as soon as it is dome, and those men come forward to share their experience, some men. Feel the need to tear them down because they're the wrong person to represent men's mental health for one reason or another.

I admire those people who sacrifice their privacy and use their public profile to offer support to other men. I don't follow GAA or soccer so I would never hear Donal Og (I wouldn't know him if I tripped over him) or Eamon Dunphy. But I admire them for reaching out to the people who would listen to them. Blindboy is more my cup of tea so I'm more likely to listen to him. There's room for them all as long as their message is positive.

_Whimsical_ · 02-02-2018 07:34AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Treated respectfully? Ah here. I respect them for their message any you light also but that's not the only significant respons. Check out the analysis of them in the gentleman's forum and you'll see the kind of treatment men like Breslin get. It's far from respectful.

This thread is calling Blindboy SJW, virtue signalling etc for discussing men's mental health.

I can't think of female names either but I'm a man so I don't really notice when media is directed specifically at women.

That's exactly what Blindboy does. He talks about his own experience of mental ill health and how he overcame it. The message is clearly that "you're not broken, you can get back to bring a happy, productive man again, you need to address the issue"

I hear a lot about the problem with men's mental health and suicide rates. Most people agree that more should be done to help men. But as soon as it is dome, and those men come forward to share their experience, some men. Feel the need to tear them down because they're the wrong person to represent men's mental health for one reason or another.

I admire those people who sacrifice their privacy and use their public profile to offer support to other men. I don't follow GAA or soccer so I would never hear Donal Og (I wouldn't know him if I tripped over him) or Eamon Dunphy. But I admire them for reaching out to the people who would listen to them. Blindboy is more my cup of tea so I'm more likely to listen to him. There's room for them all as long as their message is positive.

I wouldn't know GAA from soccer either but Donal Og was probably the first to come forward and talk about mental health publicly and very honestly in ireland. It was on the late late and it got a huge reaction from the public and the media. It was maybe 5 years ago. Actually that interview is worth goggling because it was very powerful in its raw honesty and hope. I'm sure it was discussed here on boards too.

I don't really read the gentleman's club here but it's sad if it's not used to promote positive messages.. Internet forums can be echo chambers that don't reflect society in general. It doesn't change the fact that positive things are out there even if you aren't hearing them. It's probably good to be reminded that other prescriptive exist in wider society. That message needs to be reinforced. The names that have added something positive should be remembered. I think it's brilliant if Blindboy is reaching people on that level though. We need as many as we can get discussing mental health in general, not just for men.

We should be able to roll some female names off the tongue though. You shouldn't feel male mental health is completely different to female experience and that female experience isn't relevant to you. We should be talking about it as a general issue affecting both sexes because ultimately lots of men in trouble will reach out to women and vice versa. We are in it together.

My exposure to Blind Boy has been through the media and I've heard him talk on panel shows on everything from religion, where he was quite insulting to religious people, to social policy to brexit. I think those might be the issues the original OP was referring to, where it feels slightly ridiculous to listen to someone wearing a plastic bag and choosing to appear as his comedic character. Like if Mrs Brown was joining important discussions. I thought he did a great job tonight on Tommy Tiernan though and I will search out his podcast based on what you've said about it too. It's a pity to see him ridiculed for that. As a country we have a slightly problem with latching into someone with something to say and thinking they can be included in every conversation though. It gets tiresome. That's not to ridicule him but ourselves though.

OldMrBrennan83 · 02-02-2018 07:46AM

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optogirl · 02-02-2018 09:01AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I don’t like him because he’s a twat in a shopping bag. Pretty sure he’s over emphasising the accent too.

Yes - he's playing a character

Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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