Men's rights on Abortion?

30-01-2018 11:13PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Do you think it's OK for a woman to just get pregnant every other month, wander on down to a clinic and have it terminated?

If there is a health risk to the mother or child then by all means, do it. If it is just because you don't want a baby, I don't agree with that.

You are confusing "I agree or approve of this" and "this is none of my business"

And that's kind of key

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 30-01-2018 11:13PM

pemay wrote: »

Youre probably getting into a little bit of tizzy there at the computer, and no wonder with all the gymnastics going on inside your noggin.

Just in case you missed it, not one single person has given an honest answer to a simple question.

You asked me to outlay some kind of legal framework, and I said I wouldn't because nobody has even answered the question that the legalities would be based on.

I presumed you were talking through your hole in order to obfuscate the argument and lead it away from the simple question at hand.

You then respond with your "bollocks" comment, thereby proving, essentially, that I had you figured out the second you wrote your disingenuous question.

Must be annoying

Literally everyone has.

Of course it's not fair.

Triceratops Ballet · 30-01-2018 11:13PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

When my first child was born I didn't think I was ready to be a father but here I am years and 3 kids later.

good for you. Some people don't want kids. Some people shouldn't have kids.

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:13PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Why would any sane woman out to have what is essentially a miscarriage with the pain, mess, time off work etc when she can use a contraceptive.

Your bitterness towards your ex is understandable but don't punish everyone because you didnt get your way.

I hold no bitterness whatsoever, this happened years ago and I have moved on to much better.

eviltwin · 30-01-2018 11:14PM

pemay wrote: »

Youre probably getting into a little bit of tizzy there at the computer, and no wonder with all the gymnastics going on inside your noggin.

Just in case you missed it, not one single person has given an honest answer to a simple question.

You asked me to outlay some kind of legal framework, and I said I wouldn't because nobody has even answered the question that the legalities would be based on.

I presumed you were talking through your hole in order to obfuscate the argument and lead it away from the simple question at hand.

You then respond with your "bollocks" comment, thereby proving, essentially, that I had you figured out the second you wrote your disingenuous question.

Must be annoying

If you can manage to put a coherent sentence together then you might get some answers back.

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:14PM

bubblypop wrote: »

so, when responsible adults use contraception and take every possible precaution, if it fails they should be forced to go through with raising a child they
did everything to prevent having?
they do everything right, something goes wrong & you think they should be punished?

This is the thing, I don't see kids as a punishment.

martingriff · 30-01-2018 11:14PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

It does when certain women are just going to use this when there contraceptive (if they even bother with it anymore) doesn't work.

Do you have any actual proof for this at all. I remember people saying at the time of the divorce referendum that would open the flood gates for divorce it didn't or gay/lesbian marriage would open some sort of flood gate but is hasn't. If certain woman were going to use this as a contraceptive they would have already as the UK is a short plane hop and god know morning after pill and this abortion bill are easy to get

99nsr125 · 30-01-2018 11:15PM

Yes

It takes 2 people to create life
It should take 2 people to end that life

30-01-2018 11:16PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

This is the thing, I don't see kids as a punishment.

you don't.
someone else might.

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:16PM

martingriff wrote: »

Do you have any actual proof for this at all. I remember people saying at the time of the divorce referendum that would open the flood gates for divorce it didn't or gay/lesbian marriage would open some sort of flood gate but is hasn't. If certain woman were going to use this as a contraceptive they would have already as the UK is a short plane hop and god know morning after pill and this abortion bill are easy to get

By the time you factor in flight costs, accommodation costs and the actual procedure itself its an expensive thing to do. It will be much cheaper to do it in Ireland.

30-01-2018 11:16PM

OneEye:

"If you believe the forum is known for feeling that men are hard done by and so on"

I do have that belief, to be honest. I'll admit that I only see the thread titles and the odd thread as a rule so my knowledge isn't in depth.

If I'm wrong then fair enough. I don't think it coincidence that the character of the abortion discussion in this thread is markedly different to those on the other fora tbh.

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:17PM

bubblypop wrote: »

you don't.
someone else might.

Well then those people should stop having sex.

repeal the hate · 30-01-2018 11:17PM

Ephraim Squeaking Sympathy wrote: »

Yup, it's pretty clear that you hadn't actually googled the word contraception until the exchange started

I still haven't, you might do well to credit the people you're chatting to with a bit more intelligence. I assume most people on here have an understanding of the difference between literal and figurative language. See, if I were being disrespectful to you I would suggest you go away and google those words...

pemay · 30-01-2018 11:17PM

bubblypop wrote: »

so, you believe if a man wants an abortion a woman should be forced to abort?
or if a man wants a child a woman should be forced to be an incubator for 9 months?
do you have any regard for women at all??

No, your comment is sneaky in its intent.

Nowhere have I said that a man OR woman should be able to do whatever.

I simply posed the very real question that it is unfair for one person to have 100% say on a decision over the life of that man AND womans unborn child.

Slip out of that too, why don't you?

30-01-2018 11:17PM

Vertigous_ wrote: »

As a corollory to the "My body my choice" argument I presume people which use that argument agree that a man should be allowed to walk around with his penis hanging out, and also to masturbate in public. #Mybodymychoice #bodilyautonomy

Who is arguing for public abortions!

My god it's worse ye get

30-01-2018 11:18PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

By the time you factor in flight costs, accommodation costs and the actual procedure itself its an expensive thing to do. It will be much cheaper to do it in Ireland.

good, maybe then it will be fair

Army_of_One · 30-01-2018 11:18PM

Vertigous_ wrote: »

I presume people which use that argument agree that a man should be allowed to walk around with his penis hanging out, and also to masturbate in public

eh no :rolleyes:

SusieBlue · 30-01-2018 11:18PM

Honestly, if it were possible for a man to force a woman to proceed with a pregnancy she didn’t want, a lot of men would do it just for spite if relations between them weren’t good.

Before the pitchforks come out I concede that many women would also be spiteful enough (maybe moreso) to force a man to go through the same if it were biologically possible for a man to carry a pregnancy.

Basically, my point is that people are assh*les. Both genders. People can be petty as hell, especially when relationships are breaking down.

And if that were the way the law worked you’d 100% have a small minority of men forcing their ex-partners to go through with a pregnancy he doesn’t want either just to p*ss her off.
That’s why it simply cannot be allowed happen.

30-01-2018 11:19PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Well then those people should stop having sex.

do you have sex purely to procreate?
question for the second time by the way........
I will never have children, I dont believe I should miss out on a loving sexual relationship with my partner

Triceratops Ballet · 30-01-2018 11:19PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Do you think it's OK for a woman to just get pregnant every other month, wander on down to a clinic and have it terminated?

If there is a health risk to the mother or child then by all means, do it. If it is just because you don't want a baby, I don't agree with that.

I wouldn't do it, but I don't think there's something fundamentally wrong with it.
I mean I'd definitely be suggesting she use better contraception than an abortion, at least I would if the woman in this scenario wasn't entirely fictional and created by you to try and make an ill informed point that women use abortion as an alternative to the pill, condoms, the coil, the patch, the injection, the morning after pill etc

One eyed Jack · 30-01-2018 11:19PM

Vertigous_ wrote: »

As a corollory to the "My body my choice" argument I presume people which use that argument agree that a man should be allowed to walk around with his penis hanging out, and also to masturbate in public. #Mybodymychoice #bodilyautonomy

Why would anyone, irrespective of their position on abortion, agree with that sort of behaviour? How is that even a corollary? They're completely different circumstances that I'm not even sure I want to know how you imagine they're related.

30-01-2018 11:20PM

Vertigous_ wrote: »

Should a fetus or unborn child be punished with death?

if they are not alive then it is not death.
stop piling on the drama!!

martingriff · 30-01-2018 11:20PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

By the time you factor in flight costs, accommodation costs and the actual procedure itself its an expensive thing to do. It will be much cheaper to do it in Ireland.

So no proof then all right

eviltwin · 30-01-2018 11:20PM

Sure all a woman would have to do is get a sympathetic male friend to say he was the father, he agrees with her decision and it's done.

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:20PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Honestly, if it were possible for a man to force a woman to proceed with a pregnancy she didn’t want, a lot of men would do it just for spite if relations between them weren’t good.

Before the pitchforks come out I concede that many women would also be spiteful enough (maybe moreso) to force a man to go through the same if it were biologically possible for a man to carry a pregnancy.

Basically, my point is that people are assh*les. Both genders. People can be petty as hell, especially when relationships are breaking down.

And if that were the way the law worked you’d 100% have a small minority of men forcing their ex-partners to go through with a pregnancy he doesn’t want either just to p*ss her off.
That’s why it simply cannot be allowed happen.

And on the same thing.

If a man tells the woman he doesn't want the baby, he isn't ready, he doesn't want to be punished etc why should he have to be accountable for that child who the mother chose to give birth to?

pemay · 30-01-2018 11:21PM

completely read that wrong, the thread is going so fast.

Alright, so you agree its unfair.

That's the thread topic, essentially.

So which way did you vote?

brooke 2 · 30-01-2018 11:21PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Women have abortions because they don't want to be pregnant

Tokophobia is the fear of pregnancy. Not too difficult to believe why some women might suffer from this!! :rolleyes:

eviltwin · 30-01-2018 11:21PM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

And on the same thing.

If a man tells the woman he doesn't want the baby, he isn't ready, he doesn't want to be punished etc why should he have to be accountable for that child who the mother chose to give birth to?

If men had that option would your opinion on abortion change?

RocketRaccoon · 30-01-2018 11:21PM

bubblypop wrote: »

do you have sex purely to procreate?
question for the second time by the way........
I will never have children, I dont believe I should miss out on a loving sexual relationship with my partner

No it's not just for procreation but I'm not selfish enough to demand an abortion if my wife got pregnant again.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 30-01-2018 11:22PM

pemay wrote: »

Don't be liar, not when its plain to see if people just go back over the last few pages.

What you would LIKE to call an answer is a whole load of double talk.

So heres your chance to answer it clearly, again.

Is it fair, legally, that one person should have 100% control over the life of a child/would-be-child, while the other person has 0% legal control?

Let me guess, you either "already answered it, not going to again!", or you'll write a paragraph of fudge.

Its simply yes or no!!!

It's not fair.

Men's rights on Abortion?

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