Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Third_Echelon · 22-01-2018 07:58PM

May be complete BS, but IAG thinking of putting an A380 in EI livery?

From 2018: http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2018/01/20/british-airways-a380-order/

From 2016: https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/269768/iag-boss-sees-place-for-a380-in-iberia-and-aer-lingus-fleets/

I don't see it myself, but would be nice to see!

JCX BXC · 22-01-2018 08:18PM

Doesn't look like there's much to it!

Current taxiways can't handle it in Dublin at the moment anyway and I doubt you'll see it flying it from Shannon! (Which is fully able to handle it).

Third_Echelon · 22-01-2018 08:22PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

Doesn't look like there's much to it!

Current taxiways can't handle it in Dublin at the moment anyway and I doubt you'll see it flying it from Shannon! (Which is fully able to handle it).

Yeah, 2021 i believe before Dublin is upgraded to handle the A380. Shannon might be a possibility. Ferry in flights from the UK and Europe. Fill her up and off she goes...

22-01-2018 08:24PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

Doesn't look like there's much to it!

Current taxiways can't handle it in Dublin at the moment anyway and I doubt you'll see it flying it from Shannon! (Which is fully able to handle it).

Taxiways are being worked on Echo 3-6 and Bravo 7 to widen and add fillets to allow 380 ops during the current runway works.

Still don’t think we will see a 380 in green or white here before 2019/20 as airside DAA really doesn’t want one due to the operational impact it will have while its moving.

john boye · 22-01-2018 08:29PM

As soon as I saw the BA A380 story the other day I started wondering when the EI rumours would start up again!

22-01-2018 08:31PM

Anyway that story about green 380’s was from early last year. It’s hardly new news and it has been discussed to death. It was mentioned by WW when he was asked about BA/IAG getting more and he said they were looking at 2nd hand ones. If EI were running 5-6 330 flights a day in to a US city then you could say it’s possible, there is zero chance we will see a green shamrocked 380.

April 2016 !!!!

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a380-could-work-for-iag-at-iberia-and-aer-lingus-w-424428/

Nonoperational · 22-01-2018 09:50PM

My God those 747s were beautiful planes.

alancostello · 22-01-2018 09:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If EI were running 5-6 330 flights a day in to a US city then you could say it’s possible, there is zero chance we will see a green shamrocked 380.

Even with that it would depend on the city, from what I've seen BA/IAG typically prefer high frequency over high capacity, particularly on East Coast routes which is where an EI A380 would end up going.
BA's NYC/LON routes are practically a shuttle at this stage with 13+ flights each direction not including codeshares, and they never send an A380 on those routes.

Bussywussy · 22-01-2018 10:08PM

HTCOne wrote: »

So if this is true, and this extra -200 is sitting in DUB 7 days a week purely providing tech cover, would it not make sense to use the other 4 spare A330 slots for something? I mean it certainly doesn’t make sense to have a pair of them sat idle 4 days a week right?

Think scheduled A checks will be done twice a week...they take about a day and a half at least and that's people bursting their balls and nothing going wrong....

NewApproach · 23-01-2018 12:14AM

L1011 wrote: »

They practically invented modern wet-leasing in the 1960s; there's a few decent books written on the history.

GPA, almost all ex-EI staff, basically invented modern operational leasing too. The leasing industry didn't base here for tax, it based here for expertise - there are much cheaper places to use as a flag of convenience for tax.

Disagree with this in general. Where is significantly better for a leasing platform to be based? Obviously we've great operational excellence in the industry but our tax regime is certainly competitive.

Tenger · 23-01-2018 12:32AM

NH2013 wrote: »

That'd be beyond it, 17 weekly frequencies to ORD.

That’s impressive. I was only looking at their timetable 3 days ago. 14xweekly planned as it has been for the last 2 summers.

I can hark back to the SNN-DUB-ORD routing from 15+ years back.

L1011 · 23-01-2018 09:03AM

NewApproach wrote: »

Disagree with this in general. Where is significantly better for a leasing platform to be based? Obviously we've great operational excellence in the industry but our tax regime is certainly competitive.

Look at the flagging countries for ferries for starters - Cyprus etc

Bussywussy · 23-01-2018 09:34AM

I heard the A330 is deffo coming as ,"spare" and there is no Denver for this summer anyway

NewApproach · 23-01-2018 02:55PM

L1011 wrote: »

Look at the flagging countries for ferries for starters - Cyprus etc

There's far far more to it than just the location of registration of aircraft. For starters we have a tax treaty network which is second to none and very favourable towards aircraft leasing transactions in particular.

California Dreamer · 23-01-2018 05:16PM

Not so much fleet but Saoirse Ronan is on the front of this months Cara magazine. All is forgiven for the SNL sketch.

kub · 27-01-2018 12:26AM

Does anyone know why EI FNG is currently inbound to Dublin from Hahn at this hour of a Friday night?

Bussywussy · 27-01-2018 12:58AM

kub wrote: »

Does anyone know why EI FNG is currently inbound to Dublin for Hahn at this hour of a Friday night?

Back from base maintenance check

Lapmo_Dancer · 27-01-2018 01:28PM

NH2013 wrote: »

Rumor is that the new craft will be used to service a 4 weekly Denver service to be announced next week once the details are finalised and additional frequency to be added to Chicago, while maintaining 4 weekly slots for maintenance and downtime in the fleet. Should be announced at the press event Thursday week if the talk is to be believed. The next "cab off the rank" as the saying goes.

Any update on this NH213?

I was speaking to a buddy in EI yesterday, he recently converted on to the 330. He was of the opinion that the extra 330 is to provide cover during the busy summer season and that there are also plans for increased 330 utilization this summer on European routes. Any increased TA routes over and above those already announced would require more crew conversion courses which have not been announced.

kevinandrew · 27-01-2018 01:47PM

It's probably too late in the day to announce any new long haul routes for this summer, unless it's a very late September launch but even then Aer Lingus would probably want a longer lead in time for bookings.

If the spare is hanging around long term we might see a winter route announced?

NH2013 · 27-01-2018 02:15PM

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Any update on this NH213?

I was speaking to a buddy in EI yesterday, he recently converted on to the 330. He was of the opinion that the extra 330 is to provide cover during the busy summer season and that there are also plans for increased 330 utilization this summer on European routes. Any increased TA routes over and above those already announced would require more crew conversion courses which have not been announced.

By all accounts this is what they're trying to finalise, whether they will be able to train enough pilots up to operate the new route or just use the aircraft for cover.

With the addition of this 14th aircraft, there may not be enough pilots left on the A320 fleet to cover the summer schedule already announced and for sale, and there's trouble attracting new pilots to join the A320 fleet from external sources, with the airline having to look to contracting agencies to fill gaps in the A320 right seat, and paying quite a premium for it.

On top of that, if they can get enough A320 pilots to cover the European schedule and release pilots onto the A330, there's a global lack of available A330 sim slots, and with Aer Lingus not owning their own A330 sim they're now joining the end of the queue to source available training slots. This will determine if they can go ahead with the launch of the new route this summer of if it will be delayed until this coming winter.

Marcusm · 27-01-2018 03:19PM

NewApproach wrote: »

There's far far more to it than just the location of registration of aircraft. For starters we have a tax treaty network which is second to none and very favourable towards aircraft leasing transactions in particular.

hardly, we have 73 and the U.K. has 130. Ireland doesn’t have a particularly wide DTA network and the CT rate is not much lower than countries such as the U.K. what Ireland has is a beneficial domestic tax system which is of advantage to reduce the effective tax rate on leasing income earned or owned via Ireland to a much lower rate than 12.5%.

Bussywussy · 27-01-2018 05:25PM

The spare aircraft is coming for 4 months..there's no new route for summer...A330 will be used on AGP every day and FAO at twice I think

Jamie2k9 · 27-01-2018 08:45PM

Bussywussy wrote: »

AGP will still be daily...I think FAO might be twice weekly on 330..it was only 1 a week last year on a Saturday

It was Tue and Sat last year and it was in schedules for this summer but Tue was removed in November.

JCX BXC · 27-01-2018 09:31PM

Did the fall of Air Berlin and Monarch not contribute a few experienced A320 pilots to the labour market?

California Dreamer · 27-01-2018 11:27PM

NH2013 wrote: »

there may not be enough pilots left on the A320 fleet to cover the summer schedule already announced and for sale, and there's trouble attracting new pilots to join the A320 fleet from external sources

EI were always running with a 25-50 pilot shortage and were in no rush to fill the gaps throughout all of 2017 so they have nobody to blame but themselves. Plus their starting salary and time to command is not exactly helping their cause.

basill · 28-01-2018 12:17PM

Did the fall of Air Berlin and Monarch not contribute a few experienced A320 pilots to the labour market?

At face value it looks like a good gig but once you spend a nano second with an Ireland online tax calculator and google accomodation in Dublin then it soon becomes apparent that living and working over here aint for the faint hearted. Sharing a crappy two bed apartment with someone else versus a nice country village with a good set of pubs, driving a modern german car with zero VRT doesnt really compare.

After the initial shock of losing their jobs I think that most of the Monarch people landed on their feet and realised that they are in demand given their experience.

28-01-2018 01:47PM

Rents are much cheaper outside of Dublin ie in the belt. Why would a shift worker need to live in Dublin working at the airport ? Any smart pilot would remove themselves slightly from a drinking culture to avoid temptation.

Also they are entitled to import their own vehicles without paying VRT if they’ve owned them for more than 6-12 months in their names and can prove it.

Remember pilot jobs are international and in most cases pilots will usually at least once in their careers work overseas for a period of time. These people will be somewhat desperate to get back flying and won’t necessarily be put off by paying more in taxes.

joeysoap · 28-01-2018 02:09PM

Dundalk / Drogheda very much within reach of Dublin airport with the M1.

Dozens of cabin crew and a few pilots living in both towns. Dundalk approx 45 mins from the airport, Drogheda not much more than 20.

jesus_thats_gre · 28-01-2018 09:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also they are entitled to import their own vehicles without paying VRT if they’ve owned them for more than 6-12 months in their names and can prove it.

What constitutes proof in this case?

Tenger · 28-01-2018 09:37PM

Ahem, EI fleet discussion.

A little diversion is allowed but getting back to the flight plan is for the best.

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