Mum of 4 jailed for stealing €100k from the social

lorcand1990 · 25-01-2018 05:57PM

"Redmond is no longer working and receives €191 a week in social payments"

Why is she still entitled to social welfare!?

BattleCorp · 25-01-2018 05:58PM

lorcand1990 wrote: »

"Redmond is no longer working and receives €191 a week in social payments"

Why is she still entitled to social welfare!?

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to let people starve, no matter what crimes they have committed.

Odhinn · 25-01-2018 05:59PM

RoboRat wrote: »

You do the crime, you do the time. There are always alternatives.

And it seems that she would have been better off taking them all round. It's hard to hate somebody who seems to have fucked up, probably under a great deal of stress.

wexie wrote: »

Sometimes it seems so, other times not so much. Finding it hard to tell really.
Not that I think any of her issues are a valid excuse for 100K fraud....having said that I think there are a lot of people out there who seem to have got a lot more leniency and are far more deserving of jailtime

It's just that there are indeed far more worthy targets for ire than this one. She isn't exactly making herself one of the jet set

Odhinn · 25-01-2018 06:00PM

lorcand1990 wrote: »

"Redmond is no longer working and receives €191 a week in social payments"

Why is she still entitled to social welfare!?

Because we discovered that allowing people to starve leads to desperation and vast amounts of horrific crime.

BattleCorp · 25-01-2018 06:03PM

Odhinn wrote: »

And it seems that she would have been better off taking them all round. It's hard to hate somebody who seems to have fucked up, probably under a great deal of stress.

It's just that there are indeed far more worthy targets for ire than this one. She isn't exactly making herself one of the jet set

It doesn't matter what she used the money for. She still stole €100,000.

And saying this woman fcuked up, it wasn't a once-off. She continued to fcuk up for many years.

Sorry but but I've no sympathy for her.

gordongekko · 25-01-2018 06:03PM

Odhinn wrote: »

It's just that there are indeed far more worthy targets for ire than this one. She isn't exactly making herself one of the jet set

Well we can only believe what she says but she is a convicted fraudster so she isn't exactly a person who's word you can trust.

25-01-2018 06:04PM

Sure stop

There's people who defend anything from a certain set.

lorcand1990 · 25-01-2018 06:05PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to let people starve, no matter what crimes they have committed.

What I was trying to say is that I thought if you were caught fraudulently conning the social welfare system you weren't allowed access social welfare until your debt was repaid?

Fr_Dougal · 25-01-2018 06:06PM

A lien should be made against her house, the balance of the money owed paid off with the profits of the sale of the house when she dies.

seamus · 25-01-2018 06:07PM

lorcand1990 wrote: »

What I was trying to say is that I thought if you were caught fraudulently conning the social welfare system you weren't allowed access social welfare until your debt was repaid?

No, that doesn't really make any sense.

Most people who pull of SW fraud aren't multi millionaires storing up their ill-gotten gains in an offshore bank account.

Practically all of them won't have a bean to their name, and won't have a job or will have a very low-paying job.

So cutting off their social welfare payments until they pay back what they stole is like standing on someone's head while they're drowning.

BattleCorp · 25-01-2018 06:08PM

lorcand1990 wrote: »

What I was trying to say is that I thought if you were caught fraudulently conning the social welfare system you weren't allowed access social welfare until your debt was repaid?

I do see your point but if she has no job, and no social welfare, what does she live on?

And aside from what she lives on, how is she ever expected to pay it back if she has no job or social welfare?

Ash.J.Williams · 25-01-2018 06:08PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Someone’s here’s already said she’ll have paid her debt before M Wallace pays his.

is that not 100% unrelated to what you said though?

Odhinn · 25-01-2018 06:09PM

gordongekko wrote: »

Well we can only believe what she says but she is a convicted fraudster so she isn't exactly a person who's word you can trust.

Well the court did and I doubt they did it on trust.

I'm not saying she shouldn't do time, because she ripped them off for years, but she's hardly worth getting out the torches and pitchforks for.

wexie · 25-01-2018 06:12PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A lien should be made against her house, the balance of the money owed paid off with the profits of the sale of the house when she dies.

Which would be a much more sensible solution than allowing her to pay 25 a week in the vague hope that she may live till 138....

valoren · 25-01-2018 06:15PM

10 months in jail, her reputation, and by extension probably that of her family destroyed.
Seems like a fair punishment. Sends a clear message to dole fraudsters.

exaisle · 25-01-2018 06:19PM

wexie wrote: »

Which would be a much more sensible solution than allowing her to pay 25 a week in the vague hope that she may live till 138....

The Social Welfare will claim the balance from her estate. They do it fairly routinely.

BattleCorp · 25-01-2018 06:24PM

exaisle wrote: »

The Social Welfare will claim the balance from her estate. They do it fairly routinely.

Supposing she sells her house and has no assets upon death, it would be pretty hard to claim the balance in that case.

Kristopherus · 25-01-2018 06:30PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Supposing she sells her house and has no assets upon death, it would be pretty hard to claim the balance in that case.

Welfare will have put a lien in place well before that. She also won't be getting any payment from them while she's on holidays.

Gatling · 25-01-2018 06:33PM

All of these cases should be passed on to CAB to recover the money this lark of €20 pw is pathetic

Randle P. McMurphy · 25-01-2018 06:38PM

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

suicide_circus · 25-01-2018 06:41PM

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Hope you have a medical card

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 06:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

No. We balance out all the mitigating factors and try to achieve a fair consequence.
In this case the victim is the tax payer and citizens who have maybe had to go without because she stole from them, and the guilty woman who was quite rightly allowed to put her side of the story to the judge.

HONKEY TONK · 25-01-2018 06:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

It seems everyone who needs a defence lawyer suffers from the same symptoms.

Im surprized the Tough Childhood card was not added.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 06:47PM

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Do you not think that Justice has been done in this case then Randle ?

Your Face · 25-01-2018 06:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does that make you the kleenex?

No, it makes you a tired and obvious cliche

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 06:50PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well the court did and I doubt they did it on trust.

I'm not saying she shouldn't do time, because she ripped them off for years, but she's hardly worth getting out the torches and pitchforks for.

Who is the “them” that she ripped of for years Odhinn ? Whose money is it that she stole?

MilesMorales1 · 25-01-2018 06:53PM

gordongekko wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/motheroffour-jailed-for-stealing-around-100k-in-fraudulent-social-welfare-payments-36530689.html

She gave up the job now and is paying back €25 a week. It'll take her 4000 weeks to pay us back out of the money we give her for free

Who is we? She steal the money from your wallet did she?

Never condone welfare fraud and this punishment is entirely appropriate, but the holier than thou outraged types in these threads really turn my stomach.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 06:54PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Supposing she sells her house and has no assets upon death, it would be pretty hard to claim the balance in that case.

If your in receipt of SW and you sell your house you are obliged to inform them as per your contract with them, and they will find out as they are now closely liasing with Revenue.
As she now has a very large red flag against her PPSN she wouldn’t get away with selling her house and not telling them.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 06:55PM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Who is we? She steal the money from your wallet did she?

Never condone welfare fraud and this punishment is entirely appropriate, but the holier than thou outraged types in these threads really turn my stomach.

The money she stole is money belonging to all of us.
We need that money to pay for nurses and teachers and doctors and Gardai etc
Where do you think that money comes from?

HONKEY TONK · 25-01-2018 07:00PM

valoren wrote: »

10 months in jail, her reputation, and by extension probably that of her family destroyed.
Seems like a fair punishment. Sends a clear message to dole fraudsters.

Take the 10 months out because she wont be serving it.

Do you think it still sends a clear message?

her reputation, and by extension probably that of her family destroyed.

Mum of 4 jailed for stealing €100k from the social

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