Cockapoo pups

glendrait1 · 25-01-2018 04:08PM #1

Im currently looking for a cockapoo pup. I want the pup to state the obvious to be healthy and not from a puppy farm. Im from Donegal so I dont want to travel too far for a young pup so as to reduce stress on the pup. Any advice as to the location of pups coming from a good home or a reputable breeder would be appreciated. Thanks.

the beer revolu · 25-01-2018 04:11PM

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Wrong forum for such comments.
Thanks.
DBB

Nody · 25-01-2018 06:07PM

glendrait1 wrote: »

Im currently looking for a cockapoo pup. I want the pup to state the obvious to be healthy and not from a puppy farm. Im from Donegal so I dont want to travel too far for a young pup so as to reduce stress on the pup. Any advice as to the location of pups coming from a good home or a reputable breeder would be appreciated. Thanks.

There are none since they are by definition backyard breeders combining two breeds for a mutt with a fancy name that people think will stop dropping hair. Sorry for being harsh but Cocapoo is not a breed; that's a mutt by definition and you're not going to find a proper breeder for something like this (there are exceptions in US for a certain breed they try to create etc.).

cocker5 · 25-01-2018 06:35PM

glendrait1 wrote: »

Im currently looking for a cockapoo pup. I want the pup to state the obvious to be healthy and not from a puppy farm. Im from Donegal so I dont want to travel too far for a young pup so as to reduce stress on the pup. Any advice as to the location of pups coming from a good home or a reputable breeder would be appreciated. Thanks.

As Nody already stated a cockapoo is a mixed breed .. so there are no reputable breeders they either come from back yard breeders or puppy farms I’m afraid ...

Cherry Blossom · 25-01-2018 06:55PM

The only reputable source of designer crossbreeds is from rescue. You would find it hard to get a young pup from rescue but they may have six month olds for example dumped after the Christmas novelty. There would be no guarantee of health or temperament unfortunately due to all these dogs starting out with shady backgrounds. You may have to compromise on age if you are going the rescue route and you may have to wait some time for a suitable dog to come up.

alroley · 26-01-2018 01:28PM

Not a chance you'll get a cross breed from a reputable breeder. The only people that breed them breed for one thing - money.

I don't get the obsession with poodle mixes. The poodle is a lovely breed on its own, and mixing them with other breeds can create awful coats to manage.

em_cat · 26-01-2018 02:12PM

alroley wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with poodle mixes. The poodle is a lovely breed on its own, and mixing them with other breeds can create awful coats to manage.

I don’t agree with it, but I do get it & I pity the ignorance, my heart breaks for the poor pup who’ll most likely end up in the pound.

+1 for poodles, huge fan & would love to have a standard poodle but not sure our Heinz 57 terrier Mr C would like it.

Knine · 26-01-2018 03:17PM

Standard Poodles are a lovely dog. No need whatsoever to be mixing them with other breeds. All you are doing is introducing more health issues and terrible coats.

Plus anybody with a quality Poodle (of any size) is not going to be interested in cross breeding hence the parents of these dogs are often not great either.

Choc Chip · 28-01-2018 12:12AM

I'd be really interested in why people want a cockapoo (or labradoodle, goldendoodle, jackapoo etc etc).

Genuinely, I'm curious. I see lots of people in my life get these crosses. I agree with the above comments and I think if we could have an open and frank discussion about why folk are interested in crossbreeds it could be really useful in addressing what they're looking for and how it could be met by more humane practices, whether that's rescue or responsible breeders.

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 12:17AM

Pure bred dogs are more likely to be in bits as opposed to mutts by definition. Obviously kennel club breeders want to maintain the status quo to protect their interests. As are people that have forked out hundreds and in some cases thousands for dogs with "champion" lineage.

On the other hand you're not going to get a history with these designer mutts but the idea that they're any worse than pure bred dogs is laughable. All of the pure breeds we have now started off as crosses after all.

muddypaws · 28-01-2018 12:42AM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Pure bred dogs are more likely to be in bits as opposed to mutts by definition. Obviously kennel club breeders want to maintain the status quo to protect their interests. As are people that have forked out hundreds and in some cases thousands for dogs with "champion" lineage.

On the other hand you're not going to get a history with these designer mutts but the idea that they're any worse than pure bred dogs is laughable. All of the pure breeds we have now started off as crosses after all.

Why 'by definition '? What about breeders of pedigree dogs that do genetic health tests?

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 12:50AM

muddypaws wrote: »

Why 'by definition '? What about breeders of pedigree dogs that do genetic health tests?

Because by the definition of inbreeding pure bred dogs are more likely to have problems. German Shepherds have only been in existence for 120 years and they are destroyed.

Why do they need to do genetic health tests?

Fair play to the ones that do but it's a minute amount in the scale of things.

muddypaws · 28-01-2018 01:26AM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Because by the definition of inbreeding pure bred dogs are more likely to have problems. German Shepherds have only been in existence for 120 years and they are destroyed.

Why do they need to do genetic health tests?

Fair play to the ones that do but it's a minute amount in the scale of things.

They do health tests to see if a dog has health issues that may be passed on, and if a reputable breeder, won't breed from dogs that do have any issues.

I don't accept your premise about inbreeding, the issues, such as with GSDs is about the direction certain breeds are going due mainly to what is desirable in the showring even when it's actually against the breed standard. There are still very healthy, fit for purpose GSDs being bred, just not for the showring.

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 01:50AM

muddypaws wrote: »

They do health tests to see if a dog has health issues that may be passed on, and if a reputable breeder, won't breed from dogs that do have any issues.

In an ideal world maybe but the hundreds of thousands of dogs that have breed standard problems would suggest this isn't the case or isn't working.

muddypaws wrote: »

I don't accept your premise about inbreeding, the issues, such as with GSDs is about the direction certain breeds are going due mainly to what is desirable in the showring even when it's actually against the breed standard. There are still very healthy, fit for purpose GSDs being bred, just not for the showring.

The result of what people find desirable is achieved through inbreeding.

No doubt there are very healthy GSDs and lots of them have no papers and are probably better off for it.

None of these things change the likelihood of a cockapoo or a labradoodle or whatever of having more or less problems than a GSD or a King Charles or a Pug or whatever with kennel club papers.

tk123 · 28-01-2018 01:11PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

In an ideal world maybe but the hundreds of thousands of dogs that have breed standard problems would suggest this isn't the case or isn't working.

Well you're living in your ideal world because reputable breeders already exist and health check their dogs to ensure the breed healthy pups. No hip/elbow dysplasia or PRA in my house. Some even post on boards and i'm sure they'll be happy to educate you lol

Also the OP is also asking about cocker x poodle crosses so pugs and GDS don't come into it.. unless they decide they want a pugapoo or germanshepapoo or <insert money making name here> cross

Choc Chip · 28-01-2018 03:34PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Pure bred dogs are more likely to be in bits as opposed to mutts by definition. Obviously kennel club breeders want to maintain the status quo to protect their interests. As are people that have forked out hundreds and in some cases thousands for dogs with "champion" lineage.

On the other hand you're not going to get a history with these designer mutts but the idea that they're any worse than pure bred dogs is laughable. All of the pure breeds we have now started off as crosses after all.

Thanks for being brave enough to post about why you would go looking for a crossbreed.

Just on your first point though, research hasnt shown that pure bred dogs are less healthy just because they are pure bred. I'll dig out a link later. Crossing 2 pure breeds also results in puppies that might be disposed to common ailments of each parent, so you're increasing the potential conditions that you'd need to be aware of.

The issue for me isnt that crossbreeds are "worse". Its that they are bred with no aim but to make money, with no health screening and often poor animal welfare.

Choc Chip · 28-01-2018 03:45PM

Just to address the points on inbreeding (cant multiquote on phone) breeding a specific breed isnt inbreeding and doesnt cause problems if the gene pool is sufficiently big. There are issues with that in certain breeds, but not many.

Generally, its breeding for exaggerated features that causes issues (flat faces, small heads, long backs, roach back etc etc). The working shepherds that muddypaws referred to are normally papered but were bred for function not showing.

Puppy farmed dogs arent health screened, given the best nutrition or raised in the home, reducing their chance of living a healthy happy life. That's the case whether its a cockapoo or a pug. The difference is that there are some reputable breeders of pure bred dogs. There are no reputable breeders of cockapoos.

mojopolo · 28-01-2018 04:11PM

It might be a bit far to travel but I got my mini labradoodle from here:
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They also breed cockapoos. They are based on Co Down probably 2.5 hours from Donegal.

At the time we were looking for a friendly natured family dog who didn't cast - my expectations were exceeded.

I've met other owners who have bought their dog from these kennels and I haven't heard a bad word. They're on Facebook too if you want to read some feedback.

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 04:32PM

tk123 wrote: »

Well you're living in your ideal world because reputable breeders already exist and health check their dogs to ensure the breed healthy pups. No hip/elbow dysplasia or PRA in my house. Some even post on boards and i'm sure they'll be happy to educate you lol

I don't need educating thanks. I've worked in the pet industry for close to 15 years. I am also friendly with lots of breeders that claim their dogs are the healthiest in the country, they never are.

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 04:33PM

Choc Chip wrote: »

Just to address the points on inbreeding (cant multiquote on phone) breeding a specific breed isnt inbreeding and doesnt cause problems if the gene pool is sufficiently big. There are issues with that in certain breeds, but not many.

The gene pool isn't big enough though. That's the problem.

Knine · 28-01-2018 06:51PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

I don't need educating thanks. I've worked in the pet industry for close to 15 years. I am also friendly with lots of breeders that claim their dogs are the healthiest in the country, they never are.

I could put money on it that my pure bred terriers will very likely outlive your crosses. Oh I am involved heavily with dogs since I can walk..........

Klinkhammer · 28-01-2018 07:01PM

Knine wrote: »

I could put money on it that my pure bred terriers will very likely outlive your crosses. Oh I am involved heavily with dogs since I can walk..........

Grand, how much?

DBB · 28-01-2018 07:20PM

Folks... Please rein it in. Let me remind all that whilst debate is no problem, it is a requirement of this forum that people are respectful to one another in how they post. This thread is really starting to push that line now.
Personally, I have often found that being overly forceful or catty about the way one delivers one's opinion has never been an effective way to win over the opinions of others.
Thanks,
DBB

borderlinemeath · 29-01-2018 02:32AM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Pure bred dogs are more likely to be in bits as opposed to mutts by definition. Obviously kennel club breeders want to maintain the status quo to protect their interests. As are people that have forked out hundreds and in some cases thousands for dogs with "champion" lineage.

On the other hand you're not going to get a history with these designer mutts but the idea that they're any worse than pure bred dogs is laughable. All of the pure breeds we have now started off as crosses after all.

You do realise that for every cockapoo/bichapoo/****zapoo that there are pure bred unhealthy dogs bred to make them? So if you truly believe that all "pure breed" dogs are crocked, then the resulting pups will still carry the hereditary ailments of their dam and sire? There can't be any hybrid vigour if all pure bred dogs are in bits?

And I am in total agreement about the coats. The upkeep is insane on any of these poodle cross coats. Poodles were always characterised in print/media/art as being these overly stylised dogs that were always getting primped and preened. That's because their coats are hard to manage, grow fast and curly and need time and plenty of money spent on them. Throw another coat type into the mix and see how difficult it becomes.

Klinkhammer · 29-01-2018 02:45AM

borderlinemeath wrote: »

You do realise that for every cockapoo/bichapoo/****zapoo that there are pure bred unhealthy dogs bred to make them? So if you truly believe that all "pure breed" dogs are crocked, then the resulting pups will still carry the hereditary ailments of their dam and sire? There can't be any hybrid vigour if all pure bred dogs are in bits?

They will carry them to an extent but a potential issue will be diminished by breeding with a dog that doesn't have that issue.

I'm by no means saying people shouldn't buy pure bred dogs at all by the way. I'm just saying this holier than thou attitude about pure bred dogs is nonsense and is only there to keep prices high and protect some out dated notion of the kennel club and crufts etc.

borderlinemeath · 29-01-2018 03:04AM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

They will carry them to an extent but a potential issue will be diminished by breeding with a dog that doesn't have that issue.

I'm by no means saying people shouldn't buy pure bred dogs at all by the way. I'm just saying this holier than thou attitude about pure bred dogs is nonsense and is only there to keep prices high and protect some out dated notion of the kennel club and crufts etc.

You hold the populist, yet fairly unscientific notion that KC/cruft =bad, all scruffy mutts = good. I'm afraid it just doesn't work that way in reality. There are no true mutts that can claim to possess a clean bill of health and a long lifespan free of inherited diseases. Apart from the fact that unscrupulous breeders don't give a hoot for health, you should also note that they will NEVER health test for anything. You should note that the majority of show or working dogs will have various health tests for what are known to be breed specific issues, so they are working towards healthier lines. As for too small a gene pool, if you bothered to watch crufts etc, you would see that it has become a worldwide show. Dogs from all corners of the globe compete. And with that comes breeders admiring traits in other dogs and perhaps using AI the next time they are ready to breed. Expanding the gene pool and complementing their existing dogs health and behavioural traits. You won't get your backyard poofroo breeder doing anything other than making sure he breeds 2 runs. After all, smaller dogs can be called "teacup" or
"Miniature".

Klinkhammer · 29-01-2018 03:19AM

The vast majority of kennel club dog breeders do no tests and you know this as well as I do.

This idea that registered dog breeders are less money hungry than the ones producing mutts is nonsense as well. Nobody is giving away these pups and they are all looking for the highest price they can get. It's as cynical and exploitative an industry as there is.

Cherry Blossom · 29-01-2018 04:04AM

The vast majority of kennel club registered dogs are puppy farmed and back yard bred. Nobody by any stretch of the imagination is lumping these in with reputable breeders. Yes there are a lot fewer health testing than not but the fact remains that there are those who do and this subsection is your reputable breeders. The fact remains that there are no breeders of designer crosses that health test, none meaning there are no reputable breeders of crosses, none, which is what the op asked for. Someone posted a link for a 'breeder' on this thread. The page states several times that they are registered breeders. Given that there is no such thing as a registered breeder who exactly are they registered with? The puppy farm register of puppy farmers?

Knine · 29-01-2018 10:50AM

I actually took a look at the link for those 'Greeders' Absolute Puppy Farmers. No mention of any health teats and churning out puppies. As long as people keep buying farmed dogs, there will be a market.

I have reported the post with their name. I hope Revenue know about their business.

Probably using the Same Poodle too as a sire for all their litters with no regard for future health issues cropping up. They make more money that way.

tk123 · 29-01-2018 11:46AM

Knine wrote: »

I actually took a look at the link for those 'Greeders' Absolute Puppy Farmers. No mention of any health teats and churning out puppies. As long as people keep buying farmed dogs, there will be a market.

I have reported the post with their name. I hope Revenue know about their business.

Probably using the Same Poodle too as a sire for all their litters with no regard for future health issues cropping up. They make more money that way.

Miniature too so probably spayed/neutered before 8 weeks!

Sure be grand as long as they don't shed :rolleyes:

muddypaws · 29-01-2018 01:09PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

They will carry them to an extent but a potential issue will be diminished by breeding with a dog that doesn't have that issue.

I'm by no means saying people shouldn't buy pure bred dogs at all by the way. I'm just saying this holier than thou attitude about pure bred dogs is nonsense and is only there to keep prices high and protect some out dated notion of the kennel club and crufts etc.

But you're arguing against yourself there. Definitely, breed two healthy dogs to get healthy offspring but it is only reputable breeders that will health test before breeding and breed for other things such as temperament, to produce mentally as well as physically healthy pups. Anyone crossbreeding and sticking a made up name on the cross is not doing the health tests and indeed their breeding stock won't have come from reputable breeders so the chances are their dogs will be unhealthy and pass those health issues on. It is actually reputable breeders who are breeding for vigour. Crossing an unhealthy cocker spaniel with an unhealthy poodle does not a healthy puppy make. They won't be checking pedigrees going back generations to work out good bloodlines to put together.

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