Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

Brian? wrote: »

It has worked to varying degrees in other countries. It’s never been 100% positive or 100% negative.

The positives are nebulous, the negatives obvious.

You’re staring into your crystal ball and saying it won’t be any different here. I’m saying it won’t be any different if we intentionally marginalise ethic minorities.

I don't need to look into a crystal ball to predict with near total confidence that it won't be any different here. We will marginalise ethnic minorities and it won't be just "our fault", they will also marginalise themselves. There is not one single example in Europe where this didn't happen. But sure, we'll hold hands and have an oul pray and sure it won't happen here. To be sure. The level of naivete and refusal to look at history, past and recent boggles the mind. Oh I admire the heart behind the wishful thinking, but there appears to be little mind behind it.

But right now it doesn’t matter if we lock the doors and refuse to accept anymore immigrants. We have thousands of Irish people of black, Asian, Slav, Polish etc. descent. They are Irish people, whether you or anyone wants to argue they’re not, so what do we do about that? Deport them?

Keep that figure at thousands and severely restrict non EU migrants/migrants without employment. No non EU migrants straight onto social welfare(EU goes both ways as we can move to wherever in the EU and claim that kinda thing).

Clamp down hard and early on any sign of unrest or ethnocentric social issues. Good luck with that as the well above background rate of crime and social issues with our own indigenous ethnic Travelers.

They're a perfect example. You and others would no doubt be quick to point out the wider Irish communities attitude and treatment of Travelers and vice versa, yet you think we'll magically be more "tolerant" of say Irish Africans? We're not as racist as some European cultures, but that isn't because we're any nicer, it's because such folks were historically a tiny minority so weren't seen as a cultural "threat", more a novelty. As numbers climb and ghettoisation grows mark me, those folks will be seen as a threat and an easy to point at one too. Again this has happened in every single European country when demographics reach a certain point.

Better yet maybe talk to some Black folks living in Ireland, particularly in more disadvantaged areas and ask them do they see and hear racism directed at them. I'll bet the farm they do and regular with it. And as you say the numbers are in the thousands.

The plain fact is - and a sad one it is too - humans don't play well with people who are different, whether that be culture or colour or creed. They never have. Where historical examples of multiculturalism have worked at all(Rome, Byzantium, Islamic Europe) the "local" culture was an extremely powerful and controlling one and any dissent from the background culture was crushed mercilessly(and "outsiders" were usually of lower status). In essence and ironically multiculturalism is more likely to work in extremely right wing and militant cultures who are supremely self confident that their way is the right way.