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What's wrong with the Democratic party ?

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  • #32
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    They have some racists in the party which isn't going to enamor them to many people.


  • #33
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/25/compromise-doesnt-work-political-opponents-chelsea-manning

    Chelsea Manning wrote an article about it and she's right. Democrats have been falling over themselves to be bipartisan for the last 8 years. They continued with this policy even when it was clear Republicans had no interest in reciprocating. They obviously believed Republicans would be punished in the polling booth for their lack of bipartisanship but the opposite happened.

    They still haven't got the message. Many democrats voted yes to even the most controversial of Trump picks for cabinet positions. They need to wake up and realise they are living in a post-bipartisan world and provide some real opposition to Trump instead of rolling over. Otherwise they will continue to be punished in the polling booth.


  • #34
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Senate Democrats met for a conference recently in Sheperdstown, WV. They held lessons on how to talk to real people. :rolleyes: You can’t make this stuff up.


  • #35
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Senate Democrats met for a conference recently in Sheperdstown, WV. They held lessons on how to talk to real people. :rolleyes: You can’t make this stuff up.

    I'd like to see a link on that. It seems ludicrous enough to be made up.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #36
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'd like to see a link on that. It seems ludicrous enough to be made up.
    'tis and all innit.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/senate-democrats-west-virginia-retreat-donald-trump/


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  • #37
    Brian?
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    'tis and all innit.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/senate-democrats-west-virginia-retreat-donald-trump/

    I don't see any mention of lessons I talking to real people in there.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #38
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'd like to see a link on that. It seems ludicrous enough to be made up.

    Brian, where have you been? Damn glad to see you again.

    Here you go...
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/democrats-real-people-lessons-234198


  • #39
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Brian? wrote: »
    I don't see any mention of lessons I talking to real people in there.
    Nor do I Brian... nor do I... :o


  • #40
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Amerika wrote: »
    Brian, where have you been? Damn glad to see you again.

    Cheers horse. I've been around. Avoiding the Trump threads, too depressing. I know how you felt in 2012 now.

    Hope you're winning the fight for health.
    Here you go...
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/democrats-real-people-lessons-234198

    Jesus wept. They might as well give up. They don't even know why they lost.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #41
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Cheers horse. I've been around. Avoiding the Trump threads, too depressing. I know how you felt in 2012 now.

    Hope you're winning the fight for health.
    Yeah, sucks to be on the losing end. 2008 and 2012 were bad. 2010 and 2014 gave some hope.

    And thanks... holding my own.
    Jesus wept. They might as well give up. They don't even know why they lost.
    I don’t get Democrats. They need to appeal to middle America again, instead of catering to all the fringe elements, in order to start winning elections. Instead, they’re doubling down on all the things that have cost them recently. They won when they championed the center ground. Instead, they keep moving farther to the left.


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  • #42
    sashaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭sashaw


    It's the wave of populism that is spreading across the western world - first Brexit, now Trump and next France!


  • #43
    Inquitus
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    sashaw wrote: »
    It's the wave of populism that is spreading across the western world - first Brexit, now Trump and next France!

    France has decent checks and balances in its system, Marine Le Pen has no chance of winning thankfully. The Far Right contender of note this year is Geert Wilders in Holland.


  • #44
    Kitsunegari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Kitsunegari


    sashaw wrote: »
    It's the wave of populism that is spreading across the western world - first Brexit, now Trump and next France!

    Populism is a good thing as it discusses issues the common man talks about and it's easy to engage voters on populist issues. Trump ramped up on the Patriot train and it was easy to see what his appeal was from the start. The Democrats tried the silence and shame the people who supported Trump and his views and aliened a lot of voters.

    The Democrats don't represent the average American in the United States. That's why they have lost nearly a 1,000 seats since Obama took office and if Jehmu Greene becomes the chair then they might as well give up.


  • #45
    Manach
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Says the guy who throws a verbose strop when faced with a campaign for equal access to publicly-funded schools. :rolleyes:

    Well if you taking leave of the bounds of rational discussion by flying off on far flung tangents not related to the OP, feel free to critique my Quake forum posts as well.


  • #46
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,221 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Kitsunegari wrote: »
    Populism is a good thing as it discusses issues the common man talks about and it's easy to engage voters on populist issues. Trump ramped up on the Patriot train and it was easy to see what his appeal was from the start. The Democrats tried the silence and shame the people who supported Trump and his views and aliened a lot of voters.

    The Democrats don't represent the average American in the United States.     That's why they have lost nearly a 1,000 seats since Obama took office and if Jehmu Greene becomes the chair then they might as well give up.

    Having Michael Brown's mother speak at the DNC was a perfect example of that.

    At the end of day most people respect law and order and will side with law enforcement over a criminal like Brown.

    Parading his mother at the DNC only added ambiguity to which side the Democrats are on in any law and order debate


  • #47
    Calhoun
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    I believe there is widespread condemnation going on at the moment as one of the speakers at the recent women's March is a convicted murderer and torturer.

    I know it's not the party itself but right now the party is so closely aligned to the left that it gets lumped into everything they do.

    It really looks like they are going to do a Jeremy Corbyn on labor, I think the only saving grace they have is how extreme trumps policies are. If he loses the centre they have a chance to claw it back.


  • #48
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    listermint wrote: »
    Yeah social justice is bad.

    And the second part for your post is just pure drivel. Get that on Facebook?
    lawred2 wrote: »
    Yeah please do


    The smugness and arrogance of the left is part of what cost them the election. Yes, there are only two genders, and gayness is wrong. Stop trying to convince people otherwise.


  • #49
    PopePalpatine
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    The smugness and arrogance of the left is part of what cost them the election. Yes, there are only two genders, and gayness is wrong. Stop trying to convince people otherwise.

    Well that explains everything. If thinking there's nothing wrong with two consenting adults of the same gender loving each other makes me "arrogant", I guess I make Trump look more modest than a tent in Somalia. :rolleyes:


  • #50
    Brian?
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    The smugness and arrogance of the left is part of what cost them the election. Yes, there are only two genders, and gayness is wrong. Stop trying to convince people otherwise.

    Gayness is wrong? What a load of ****.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #51
    FreudianSlippers
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    Anyone who claims "gayness is wrong" is obviously not entirely comfortable with their own sexuality.


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  • #52
    vetinari
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    Bigoted would be a better word for it. There's a lot of hate bubbling under the surface with a significant amount of Trump supporters.


  • #53
    sashaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭sashaw


    Our favourite gombeen Michael Martin (aka Mr Burns) just called Trump a racist. That's a bad move since most Irish Americans are now Republicans. Looks like Micheál is trying to place FF 'left of the Shinners'!


  • #54
    Lirange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Lirange


    sashaw wrote: »
    Our favourite gombeen Michael Martin (aka Mr Burns) just called Trump a racist. That's a bad move since most Irish Americans are now Republicans. Looks like Micheál is trying to place FF 'left of the Shinners'!

    A dubious claim. Can you back that up? How do you define Irish Americans by the way?


  • #55
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,221 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Sorry for digging up my own old thread but i see that Chelsea Manning is running for US Senate in Maryland.

    She will obviously have to get through the Dem primary against the incumbent Ben Cardin first.

    But what will be interesting is how the Democrat party and the top brass react to her and how much support she will get from the Democrat establishment both in MD and nationally.

    As a transgender person who has been to jail for spying and who most recent Twitter activity included a tweet "f**k the police" (my editing not hers) she can surely only appeal to a tiny but vocal minority of the Democratic party.

    So it will be interesting to see of they double down on identity politics or try to get back to appeal to the larger demographic.


  • #56
    Calhoun
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    Brave of her to run in one way, in allot of American minds she is a traitor and running for public office in America is a dog eat dog world.

    Any and all skeletons in closets will be found.


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