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Solo (young Han Solo film) *spoilers from post 1493*

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  • #452
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    uncleoswald wrote: »
    Are you one of these clairvoyant people you speak of? :confused:
    And you are expecting it not to be bad :confused:

    No I think it’s going to be terrible but I live in hope that it won’t be :)
    Only joking. I hope it’s great. Can’t be long until a trailer now.


  • #453
    david75
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    Official. Look in the right


  • #454
    pixelburp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Argh. More flippin' merchandise stuff. :rolleyes: :)


  • #455
    radonicus
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    Trailer out now.




    Is what we'll be saying soon I reckon.


  • #456
    david75
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    radonicus wrote: »
    Trailer out now.




    Is what we'll be saying soon I reckon.



    Well played :) you gave me a fright :)


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  • #457
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    What about these little guys?

    MXt2NR5.jpg


  • #458
    david75
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    Solo is going back In front of the cameras before the end of the month for pick ups apparently.
    This is from reddit so it comes with a health warning.


  • #459
    david75
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    BBFC are reviewing SOLO Trailer Number one later this week
    This suggests it could appear in UK cinemas next Thursday (18 January), the same day the contract for The Last Jedi ends


  • #460
    Wedwood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Wedwood


    The Force Awakens -'The best since Empire'
    Rogue One - 'The best since Empire'
    The Last Jedi - 'The best since Empire'
    Solo - 'The best since Empire' ?


  • #461
    david75
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    Wedwood wrote: »
    The Force Awakens -'The best since Empire'
    Rogue One - 'The best since Empire'
    The Last Jedi - 'The best since Empire'
    Solo - 'The best since Empire' ?

    we'll be spared that hyperbole..even without seeing it we know its a different movie that wont fit within that comparing it to empire nonsense


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  • #462
    Bacchus
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    Wedwood wrote: »
    The Force Awakens -'The best since Empire'
    Rogue One - 'The best since Empire'
    The Last Jedi - 'The best since Empire'

    To be fair... TFA was arguably the best since Empire... certainly better than prequels... just debatable between it and RotJ. Rogue One was also arguably the best since Empire. I'd personally rate it above TFA. Some may disagree but they're not ridiculous opinions.

    TLJ is NOT the best since Empire though. That was just pure hype/marketing without the content to back it up.


  • #463
    Drumpot
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    Bacchus wrote: »
    To be fair... TFA was arguably the best since Empire... certainly better than prequels... just debatable between it and RotJ. Rogue One was also arguably the best since Empire. I'd personally rate it above TFA. Some may disagree but they're not ridiculous opinions.

    TLJ is NOT the best since Empire though. That was just pure hype/marketing without the content to back it up.

    On initial viewing TFA is superb in that it relights the excitement about the star Wars movies that the prequels spoiled. But on repeat viewing, its an OK movie that's a bit of fun.

    Rogue one , for me, gets better on repeat viewings and is a truly wonderful addition to the universe.

    TLJ , for me, will be considered better then TFA on repeat because its very different and very fresh. I feel people are spoiling it for themselves needlessly but there are people spoiling these movies before they are even released, so its not surprising.


  • #464
    david75
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    Everyone seems to be expecting Solo to be terrible. I think that takes all expectations off it and it’ll leave us pleasantly surprised.


  • #465
    Drumpot
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    david75 wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be expecting Solo to be terrible. I think that takes all expectations off it and it’ll leave us pleasantly surprised.

    Fingers crossed...

    Its coming out very close to TLJ, I cant understand why it wasn't even left until nearer end of year. Sort of feels a bit like Marvels saturated releases. .


  • #466
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,129 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be expecting Solo to be terrible. I think that takes all expectations off it and it’ll leave us pleasantly surprised.

    I keep harping on about this, but the fact that Harrison Ford is too old to do Solo any more is going to be the real sticking point and that'll never sit right, no matter how good or bad the film is.

    In fact, it'll be a real shame if the film is good and fitting within the established norms of the universe, but there's a cut price Solo impersonation at the centre that drags it down. Not to mention Hip Hop Lando.

    A much, much better idea would have been to simply make a new bloody story, with entirely new characters, that operated within the world that's been carefully built by Lucas.

    But, again, this comes down to what Disney want out of this franchise, and that's, first and foremost, a return on their investment. Stories be damned.

    I wonder though, after the financial successes of TFA, R1 and TLJ, almost in spite of themselves, would Disney have taken a different route and not gone down the Solo impression road. They may have been more willing to take a real risk and invent entirely new events, that weren't a copy of better films in the series, or suck jobs on much beloved characters.


  • #467
    david75
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    I keep harping on about this, but the fact that Harrison Ford is too old to do Solo any more is going to be the real sticking point and that'll never sit right, no matter how good or bad the film is.

    In fact, it'll be a real shame if the film is good and fitting within the established norms of the universe, but there's a cut price Solo impersonation at the centre that drags it down. Not to mention Hip Hop Lando.

    A much, much better idea would have been to simply make a new bloody story, with entirely new characters, that operated within the world that's been carefully built by Lucas.

    But, again, this comes down to what Disney want out of this franchise, and that's, first and foremost, a return on their investment. Stories be damned.

    I wonder though, after the financial successes of TFA, R1 and TLJ, almost in spite of themselves, would Disney have taken a different route and not gone down the Solo impression road. They may have been more willing to take a real risk and invent entirely new events, that weren't a copy of better films in the series, or suck jobs on much beloved characters.


    Well that’s what Rians new trilogy is going to do. And Solo is packed with new characters as well. So they’re laying track for us to be ready for all new characters in new stories.

    The upcoming tv series will do it too. Not a chance we’ll see established characters outside maybe Boba Fett etc. It won’t be Rey/Luke etc


  • #468
    david75
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    Drumpot wrote: »
    Fingers crossed...

    Its coming out very close to TLJ, I cant understand why it wasn't even left until nearer end of year. Sort of feels a bit like Marvels saturated releases. .

    It’s a very very very weird move to have it come out so soon after TLJ. Especially since they’d made the Christmas market their own.
    Maybe it’s more of a summer blockbuster thing? Seems to be the case.


  • #469
    Tony EH
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    david75 wrote: »
    Well that’s what Rians new trilogy is going to do. And Solo is packed with new characters as well. So they’re laying track for us to be ready for all new characters in new stories.

    Mmmm, after TLJ, I'm not that interested in a Rian Johnson trilogy, packed with stupid gags and meta nods and winks.

    He'll need to change his approach drastically as far as I'm concerned.


  • #470
    david75
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Mmmm, after TLJ, I'm not that interested in a Rian Johnson trilogy, packed with stupid gags and meta nods and winks.

    He'll need to change his approach drastically as far as I'm concerned.

    I think he’s only directing the first but writing all three? No bad thing to have a complete story written ahead of time but I don’t think he’ll repeat himself in terms of humour or anything. His films are quite different from each other but all really quirky. No room for quirky in a trilogy arc. Or is there?


  • #471
    david75
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    Tony this is interesting. Remember we were talking about logic? This is kinda true. The sequels are being held to a higher standard than the OT.
    Frank Oz-

    https://twitter.com/thefrankozjam/status/951478105213825025


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  • #472
    Tony EH
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    david75 wrote: »
    I think he’s only directing the first but writing all three? No bad thing to have a complete story written ahead of time but I don’t think he’ll repeat himself in terms of humour or anything. His films are quite different from each other but all really quirky. No room for quirky in a trilogy arc. Or is there?

    It's not "quirky" that's the problem. It's the gags. They just don't belong in a film that wants an audience to feel an emotional impact from drama. As I said before, when you stage a scene where tens of thousands of people are losing their lives and then it's preceded with a stupid gag set up and clumsy punchline, it completely undermines any of the drama that preceded it.

    Hopefully the backlash against the TLJ will make both Johnson and Disney think twice before they litter their trilogy with idiot stuff like can you hear me now phonecalls. That kind of crap might be ok in a Monty Python riff, but it's just not ok in a Star Wars film that wishes to have any dramatic oomph.

    Humour is fine, in very limited doses and if it's actually well written. Jokes and gags? Leave that to the professionals.


  • #473
    Tony EH
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    david75 wrote: »
    Tony this is interesting. Remember we were talking about logic? This is kinda true. The sequels are being held to a higher standard than the OT.
    Frank Oz-

    https://twitter.com/thefrankozjam/status/951478105213825025

    That's a different matter. There are allowable logic abandonments that can be forgiven, like sound in space, because let's be honest, if Star Wars space battles took place in silence it would be shit.

    But, characters have to act in a logical manner if they are to be taken seriously and in the ST, they often don't and very much to the detriment of the entire film.

    The way these Disney films portray Force users is a perfect example. It's just a get outta jail card now. A whatever shrug to allow a poor writer to get a character out of a sticky situation that they've been written into and hoping that fans go wow! Or just act as an apologist for the poor writing. Rey just deciding to do a mind trick out of nowhere? Jedi's can now survive in space?

    That kind of logic fail will have people questioning things all day long.

    Something like sound in space, you can go with, so long as EVERY ship makes a sound in space - consistency (if not entirely logical). However, if you have a Jedi use a spectacular Jedi powah in one scene and then just not bother their arse in another. Then you have a problem.


  • #474
    david75
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    Thos inconsistencies have always been there though particularly with force users. Obi wan v grievous is a good example. He shouldn’t even have to fight him, he could easily defeat him using the force. Just pull his arms or legs off, he’s a machine. Luke in ROTJ is the most glaring one. The skiff battle should have been luke just despatching them all easily with a wave of his hand. We saw him just a few scenes before disabling two guards with a force choke.
    Rey and kylo in the throne room is an interesting one. She’s totally angry and losing her temper and angry, but she’s never seen a force choke or anything like it yet you’d imagine kylo would know all those tricks and it shouldn’t really even been a fight, Two immensely powerful force users against 8 guards. Sure they weren’t force capable but that just makes the point, it shouldn’t have even been a fight.
    Those inconsistencies have always been there but if it makes a cool shot/ sequence/ battle? Well screw logic let’s just do it. And it’s up to us to go with it.


  • #475
    david75
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    Tony here’s one for you :)

    https://twitter.com/david75donovan/status/951498870680440833


  • #476
    eviltimeban
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    david75 wrote: »
    Those inconsistencies have always been there but if it makes a cool shot/ sequence/ battle? Well screw logic let’s just do it. And it’s up to us to go with it.

    Yes and that it just so happens that of all the X-wings that were destroyed, our hero was in none of them.

    Be fun to see a movie where part way through the top billed hero is blown up by a random turret gun blast. No long drawn out heroic death, just an explosion mid-sentence.

    "This is red leader, cover me Wedge I'm goin...." booom :)


  • #477
    eviltimeban
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    david75 wrote: »
    Tony here’s one for you :)

    https://twitter.com/david75donovan/status/951498870680440833

    He was way too old in TFA awakens. For me it was too glaring, too much like "oh that's just someone playing Han Solo, it's not actually Han Solo".

    I caught a little bit of Air Force One the other night on TV, that's when they should've made the new trilogy, when they at least looked a bit like their younger selves and had more of a spring in their step.


  • #478
    radonicus
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    david75 wrote: »
    Everyone seems to be expecting Solo to be terrible. I think that takes all expectations off it and it’ll leave us pleasantly surprised.

    I hope so, I don't think people could take another disappointing film.


  • #479
    david75
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    radonicus wrote: »
    I hope so, I don't think people could take another disappointing film.

    It doesn’t look like the majority of those who were disappointed by TLJ are even going to see Solo, if comments sections on numerous Star Wars fb pages are anything to go by. Looks like they’ve all quit Star Wars for good.


  • #480
    pixelburp
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    True, Han Solo's return in TFA was somewhat undermined by the old-man running / tottering that Abrams did his best in concealing. The scene when the tentacle monster got loose was particularly silly; Ford's obvious slowness at odds with this flailing, lightning fast creature :D


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  • #481
    david75
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    True, Han Solo's return in TFA was somewhat undermined by the old-man running / tottering that Abrams did his best in concealing. The scene when the tentacle monster got loose was particularly silly; Ford's obvious slowness at odds with this flailing, lightning fast creature :D

    He had just broken his leg on set and he’s in his 70s in fairness.

    I thought he was pure Han. Really thought We were gonna get bored grumpy Harrison ford which is what he’s been doing the last 15 years. But he was Han and really delivered imo.


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