Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 02:20AM

If Han Solo was just a costume, you'd have a point.

But, he's not. He's a man, played by a man, who largely brings much of his own personality to the character, not to mention his own voice, accent and look.

Anybody tall enough could play Chewbacca and small enough could play R2D2.

david75 · 05-01-2018 02:28AM

Tony EH wrote: »

If Han Solo was just a costume, you'd have a point.

But, he's not. He's a man, played by a man, who largely brings much of his own personality to the character, not to mention his own voice, accent and look.

Anybody tall enough could play Chewbacca and small enough could play R2D2.

He’s not a man. He’s a fictional character who could probably be played by any amount of men.

david75 · 05-01-2018 02:42AM

Following your logic Tony, Ewan McGregor isn’t obi wan in the prequels and Genevieve O Reilly isn’t Mon Mothma in Rogue One. It’s a new age of Star Wars. They’re going to replace these actors in known characters while they’re still making these films.

TerrorFirmer · 05-01-2018 06:55AM

In fairness Obi Wan is central to the Skywalker story and overall saga. His back story was always going to be a) relevant and b) explored on-screen.

Han Solo less so. I've no problem with someone else playing him but I've a general problem with the film in that it's a story that does not need to be told and I don't think anyone particularly felt it needed to be told either.

Similarly, while I'd love to see a movie about Obi-Wan between ROTS and ANH, I'd have a similar reaction if they announced a film about Obi-Wan's adventures as a teenager before TPM, which I feel would occupy the same relative space as this Han Solo movie does - filling in blanks that no-one particularly cares about or ever asked to be filled in.

Disney now expect the movie to tank, if the rumors are to be believed. Not surprising.

radonicus · 05-01-2018 08:06AM

An interesting dilemma for Disney is that it is clear from TLJ they are pivoting towards a new generation of fans, and willing to risk 'alienating' some of the older fans.

But these spin offs are based on characters or in the case of R1 a timeframe that resonate with the older generation moreso than the young fans.

NIMAN · 05-01-2018 08:14AM

The one film I do want to see made is Boba Fett, cos for such a cool, interesting character, his screen time in the SW films was a joke.

pixelburp · 05-01-2018 09:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What film series has characters who change drastically from film to film? Bar comic books I can't think of any book or film where characters vary from one story to the next.

The whole consistent look for a character is all well and good but what happens when an actor decides they don't want to return to a role they ate known for playing? Do they have to reboot or else cast someone similar so as to keep the character visually consistent? Does Ben Affleck's Batman replacement have to be someone of similar age and appearance? If Chris Hemsworth leaves the Marvel films does the new Thor have to look like a ripped blonde surfer?

Well again, comics & their adaptations don't necessarily track here as a good examples either, because there's usually a distinct separation between the 'secret identity' character and the icon of the hero, which is usually more of an honorific than something inherently tied to the character. Very often it's played as a title, a torch passed to a new character so that someone else can deal with what it means to be Spiderman / Thor / Iron Man / Captain America etc. etc.

There have been many Captain Americas, but only ever one Steve Rodgers at a time (staples of comicbook storytelling such as cloning, parallel universes notwithstanding of course!). The same goes for nearly every character already adapted for the MCU: so in regards Hemsworth etc., it's more of a 'when' they leave rather than an 'if'; it's heavily suspected that some actors are going to leave / be killed off after Avengers: Infinity War, thus it's entirely possible (and IMO, likely) that the title of the superhero will pass to someone else. Continuity in this case is therefore maintained, but bypasses the need to re-cast roles that thus far have been pretty perfect by the MCU.

As for Ben Affleck, people are speculating that the still in-limbo Flash movie is going to address that by basically pulling a universe reboot; apparently it's penning a version of 'Flashpoint', whose story resets the DC universe; so if Affleck wants out, they can pull some SciFi shenanigans and have Batman recast and maintain some semblance of universe consistency.

I remember there were a lot of Harry Potter fans upset at the casting of Michael Gambon after Richard Harris passed away; even watching the films on TV over Xmas, Gambon cut a different figure to Harris' more doddery (but apparently more akin to peoples' preconceptions to the Dumbledore from the books) approach so I think that's one case where the changes were 'drastic', although hardly earth shattering.

On the flipside, I'm currently watching 'Dark' on Netflix, a show that's set alternately between 1987 & 2019; the modern characters have child/teenage equivalents during the sections set in the past, and it's scary how well casting managed to keep the similarities; the show often uses split-screen to show the kid-adult versions side by side and in many cases you'd almost think they were the same person, if not the same family. In that respect, it's actually benefits the story that as we flip between eras, physical consistency is maintained (side note - if anyone reading hasn't already, definitely check out 'Dark', it's excellent).

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 10:23AM

david75 wrote: »

Following your logic Tony, Ewan McGregor isn’t obi wan in the prequels and Genevieve O Reilly isn’t Mon Mothma in Rogue One. It’s a new age of Star Wars. They’re going to replace these actors in known characters while they’re still making these films.

We've been through all this before.

I'm not doing it again.

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 10:26AM

NIMAN wrote: »

The one film I do want to see made is Boba Fett, cos for such a cool, interesting character, his screen time in the SW films was a joke.

That's what made him "cool" in the first place.

As soon as we found out he was just a Kiwi in a fancy suit, that coolness faded, rapidly.

eviltimeban · 05-01-2018 10:41AM

Funny how these movies are proving even more divisive than the prequels.

david75 · 05-01-2018 10:47AM

So once again lego are the source for leaks for new Star Wars. Here’s the Falcon. As depicted in the pic on the previous page

Mickeroo · 05-01-2018 11:04AM

Tony EH wrote: »

That's what made him "cool" in the first place.

That and his armour, I've always wanted a boba fett movie too but I'm pretty sure it's because I thought he looked like a bad ass when I was a kid rather than anything he actually does in the films.

Id still rather he got a film than any more of the major characters though!

david75 · 05-01-2018 11:06AM

The upcoming TV series is rumoured to be about boba fett & bounty hunters & all that. Just a rumour though.

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 11:23AM

A Bobby Fett would be pretty awful really.

He's a sideshow antagonist that works for a criminal organisation and caught fans attention, precisely because nobody knew anything about him.

Also, it's difficult to see how a Disney film could make a film about such a shady character, without "goodifying" him, to the point where they just destroy him completely. Something the prequels did a good job doing in any case.

A Fett film could be ok, if Fett was an anti-hero Man with No Name type in the form of Eastwood's character from the Dollars trilogy. Something like that might work. but I can't see Disney going for that.

Anyway, I've said it before, there's the bones of a great Star Wars film in one of the comics I read online a while back. It's about Vader hiring Fett to find out who the lad was that blew the Death Star up. But, there's a lot of extraneous guff in that story too about the Emperor testing Vader with some superhero types that drags the story down terribly. That can be written out though, or done differently. You could just have random attacks on Vader - Cato style - throughout the film, which is revealed at the end to have been orchestrated by the Emperor as a way of testing/punishing Vader.

But, the main focus could be his investigation into the rebel that destroyed DS1 and Fett tracking down Luke's farm, his movements to Mos Eisley and subsequent help from Solo etc.

It could form a very good episode 4.5, in the way that 'Rogue One' was a great episode 3.5 and go some way to explaining how Vader found out about his son and his hiring of bounty hunters to track down Solo and the Millennium Falcon in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

Plus, there doesn't have to be any awkward recasting done of well establish characters.

I won't hold my breath though.

david75 · 05-01-2018 11:32AM

Tony EH wrote: »

A Bobby Fett would be pretty awful really.

He's a sideshow antagonist that works for a criminal organisation and caught fans attention, precisely because nobody knew anything about him.

Also, it's difficult to see how a Disney film could make a film about such a shady character, without "goodifying" him, to the point where they just destroy him completely. Something the prequels did a good job doing in any case.

A Fett film could be ok, if Fett was an anti-hero Man with No Name type in the form of Eastwood's character from the Dollars trilogy. Something like that might work. but I can't see Disney going for that.

Anyway, I've said it before, there's the bones of a great Star Wars film in one of the comics I read online a while back. It's about Vader hiring Fett to find out who the lad was that blew the Death Star up. But, there's a lot of extraneous guff in that story too about the Emperor testing Vader with some superhero types that drags the story down terribly. That can be written out though, or done differently. You could just have random attacks on Vader - Cato style - throughout the film, which is revealed at the end to have been orchestrated by the Emperor as a way of testing/punishing Vader.

But, the main focus could be his investigation into the rebel that destroyed DS1 and Fett tracking down Luke's farm, his movements to Mos Eisley and subsequent help from Solo etc.

It could form a very good episode 4.5, in the way that 'Rogue One' was a great episode 3.5 and go some way to explaining how Vader found out about his son and his hiring of bounty hunters to track down Solo and the Millennium Falcon in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

Plus, there doesn't have to be any awkward recasting done of well establish characters.

I won't hold my breath though.

That was a cool idea. Shame they ‘wasted’ it in a comic. Would have made for a good film.

Brief_Lives · 05-01-2018 11:46AM

Tony EH wrote: »

A Bobby Fett would be pretty awful really.

He's a sideshow antagonist that works for a criminal organisation and caught fans attention, precisely because nobody knew anything about him.

Also, it's difficult to see how a Disney film could make a film about such a shady character, without "goodifying" him, to the point where they just destroy him completely. Something the prequels did a good job doing in any case.

A Fett film could be ok, if Fett was an anti-hero Man with No Name type in the form of Eastwood's character from the Dollars trilogy. Something like that might work. but I can't see Disney going for that.

Anyway, I've said it before, there's the bones of a great Star Wars film in one of the comics I read online a while back. It's about Vader hiring Fett to find out who the lad was that blew the Death Star up. But, there's a lot of extraneous guff in that story too about the Emperor testing Vader with some superhero types that drags the story down terribly. That can be written out though, or done differently. You could just have random attacks on Vader - Cato style - throughout the film, which is revealed at the end to have been orchestrated by the Emperor as a way of testing/punishing Vader.

But, the main focus could be his investigation into the rebel that destroyed DS1 and Fett tracking down Luke's farm, his movements to Mos Eisley and subsequent help from Solo etc.

It could form a very good episode 4.5, in the way that 'Rogue One' was a great episode 3.5 and go some way to explaining how Vader found out about his son and his hiring of bounty hunters to track down Solo and the Millennium Falcon in 'The Empire Strikes Back'.

Plus, there doesn't have to be any awkward recasting done of well establish characters.

I won't hold my breath though.

Who was doing the random attacking on Vader? Fett?

david75 · 05-01-2018 11:53AM

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Who was doing the random attacking on Vader? Fett?

In the comics the emperor sets up the inquisitors, a branch of former Jedi now sith to hunt down Jedi in hiding. He tests them against Vader, to keep him on his toes but also to keep an eye out for someone more powerful than him to replace him.
Think that’s what he’s referring to.

Drumpot · 05-01-2018 11:58AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Funny how these movies are proving even more divisive than the prequels.

The majority of movie goers can just enjoy them for what they are, its usually hardcore fans that get upset because they will simply never get the movie that they want. Its not that they are unreasonable either, its that the studios goal is always to reach as much an audience as possible and its easier to achieve that with lowest common denomination moves.

I hope "Solo" surprises me like Rogue one because I'm not chomping at the bit for this side story.

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 11:59AM

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Who was doing the random attacking on Vader? Fett?

There's no real random attacks on Vader in the comic. That's just my idea mainly to give Vader something do while Boba Fett is off on Tatooine looking for evidence about Luke.

In the comic though, the Emperor is displeased with Vader for his part in the loss of the Death Star, so he has high ranking officers assigned to watch him and also hires a geneticist to design possible replacements for Vader. These potential replacements get into various entanglements with him throughout the story. But, they are terrible Marvel superhero types that are just awful and never seem comfortable in a Star Wars story.

That basic subplot could remain, but the cyborgs of the story would have to be changed completely.

david75 · 05-01-2018 12:15PM

If anyone’s curious the current vader comics are brilliant. They’re only 9 issues in. Really good stuff in there.

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 12:22PM

More than 9 issues in the one I'm on about. It's finished.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Darth-Vader/Issue-1?id=16932

david75 · 05-01-2018 12:32PM

Tony EH wrote: »

More than 9 issues in the one I'm on about. It's finished.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Darth-Vader/Issue-1?id=16932

Yeah the one in on about is a new series.
That site is mad handy

mewso · 05-01-2018 05:06PM

Surely the biggest potential problem with this movie is that they will shoehorn everything into 2 hours - meeting Chewie, Lando, getting the Millenium Falcon, making the Kessel Run and on and on. Han Solo was a guy with an interesting past. Now it will be something that happened to him when he was just out of his teens. I can even see him grabbing a waistcoat from a clothes line during a chase scene.

Acosta · 05-01-2018 05:19PM

Concerns about sackings, director changes and the lead actor having to get acting lessons during production aside, I do fear most of this movie could just references to things said in passing by Han and Lando.

Is Boba Fett in this? I wouldn't mind a movie involving himself Obi Wan and some Rogue one characters.

david75 · 05-01-2018 06:10PM

There’s another lego leak that has Boba Fett in this. He’d have to be. Hopefully that puts any notion of him getting a standalone to bed.

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 07:46PM

mewso wrote: »

Surely the biggest potential problem with this movie is that they will shoehorn everything into 2 hours - meeting Chewie, Lando, getting the Millenium Falcon, making the Kessel Run and on and on. Han Solo was a guy with an interesting past. Now it will be something that happened to him when he was just out of his teens. I can even see him grabbing a waistcoat from a clothes line during a chase scene.

I know. It all sounds dreadful doesn't it. Now Bobby is probably in it too. :rolleyes:

BTW, this has nothing to do with Solo's teens. This takes place (the majority anyway) in the same decade as 'Star Wars', it seems, when Solo is in his mid to late 30's.

It just sounds more and more wretched with every little bit of news.

J Mysterio · 05-01-2018 08:22PM

david75 wrote: »

FYI Lucas originally toyed with the idea of having OT Star Wars Be in Japanese and played by Japanese and Asian actors. Also considered using an entire cast of little people for the OT as well.

Same thing, no?

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 10:07PM

So Lego has said that the Millennium Falcon in this thing is the

Kessel Run Millennium Falcon. So that's that.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about the Kessel Run.

david75 · 05-01-2018 10:34PM

Plot twist is Han himself didn’t make the kessel run. The falcon did. Under a different owner.

Tony. I’m taking your side except about the Falcon. This is not my falcon.

https://twitter.com/tabii98_1911/status/949144742767439874

Tony EH · 05-01-2018 10:38PM

david75 wrote: »

Plot twist is Han himself didn’t make the kessel run. The falcon did. Under a different owner.

Tony. I’m taking your side except about the Falcon. This is not my falcon.

https://twitter.com/tabii98_1911/status/949144742767439874

Perhaps. I still couldn't care less though. The Kessel Run was an off the cuff bluff by Solo to indicate that the Falcon was a fast ship.

I simply don't need to know anything more. Nor do I want to.

#notmyfalcon

#notmysolo

#notmylando

#notmystarwars

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