The slow death of forums see OP for Admin warning and update 28/02/18

MadDog76 · 02-01-2018 12:27AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Can't disagree with your point, I'd also prefer to see consistency with modding, and wouldn't agree with a longer standing poster being let off something a newer poster got carded for.

I would have assumed, and hoped, that most Mods would feel/act that way ......... but it seems that's not the case at all??? Worrying .........

dxhound2005 · 02-01-2018 12:28AM

Even with the massive drop there are still around 8,500 posts per day on average. Unless a post gets reported, it could easily escape attention.

tomwaterford · 02-01-2018 12:29AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Does that "unwritten rule" actually exist though? Are Mods/Admins being more/less lenient on some Posters as opposed to others??

I noticed Beasty Thanked Perse's post so maybe there is some truth to Perse's theory ......... ???

I imagine it deos (much like coke being illegal but widely available)

You'd see it from time to time...lads in that prision place having a melt down and getting banned but over turned then if they had clean record

And the clean record given as a reason for it

02-01-2018 12:37AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Can't disagree with your point, I'd also prefer to see consistency with modding, and wouldn't agree with a longer standing poster being let off something a newer poster got carded for.

Also, can't expect Mods to know people's posting history. Fair enough if an infracted poster is appealing a ban or a card then by all means delve into the archives and check their form. But saying ''ah no this poster is sound usually'' shouldn't cut it. If it's attack the post and not the poster for regular Joes,then the same should be true when moderating their posts. In other words, moderate the post (on its own merit) and not the poster.

02-01-2018 12:41AM

Erm yes I see there are some holes in my example alright. I do believe modding is subjective but if I call a poster a fücking whatever then I expect to be carded for it.

Tom Mann Centuria · 02-01-2018 12:43AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Also, can't expect Mods to know people's posting history. Fair enough if an infracted poster is appealing a ban or a card then by all means delve into the archives and check their form. But saying ''ah no this poster is sound usually'' shouldn't cut it. If it's attack the post and not the poster for regular Joes,then the same should be true when moderating their posts. In other words, moderate the post (on its own merit) and not the poster.

It'd actually make moderating easier anyway I'd have thought, (though it's theory and not practice for me these days because the forum I mod is small and quiet)

RDM_83 again · 02-01-2018 12:59AM

Post I was talking about was dealt with my anger was related to fact that other stuff was being actioned while it was ignored.

This being said favouritism and cliques are a big issue on boards, Reddit is a much better alternative if your just looking for the most popular opinions

keith_sixteen · 02-01-2018 01:11AM

awec wrote: »

I have more interesting things to be doing with my evening than moderating boards.ie.

Honest question then, why do you do it? Sounds like an absolute chore.

Chorus_suck · 02-01-2018 01:17AM

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keith_sixteen · 02-01-2018 01:24AM

Just a more general idea on the decline - for me, boards used to be a treasure trove of information when I needed something.

E.g. look at something like the Bargain Alerts thread. Served a purpose but these days you are spoiled for choice when it comes to websites that can do price / comparison, aggregation etc.

Same with something like Development forum.....in terms of the info available in there, it just cannot compete with Stack Overflow. I know that's an extreme example (comparing a .ie site with a global one) but it has an impact.

Arghus · 02-01-2018 01:28AM

Chorus_suck wrote: »

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There's a few exceptions, but 95% of people who end up in prison are blatant re-reg trolls - and well deserve it.

There are many instances of people who when they at least make some effort to engage with the "authorities" are given lesser bans/ second chances. It does happen.

Edit: Not to say that the admins down there are absolutely right all the time and yes, some of them seem to suffer from a case of smarty-pants, but dealing with people lying through their teeth and then acting faux-innocent about it probably brings that out in a person.

Army_of_One · 02-01-2018 01:31AM

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

For a developers job paying 85K is that dodging a bullet? A boards mod is not the sort of person I want in my team. Certainly not one that advertises the fact on their cv as if it was a positive as that shows very bad judgement.

Again it says more about you and the company you work for.......

Anthracite · 02-01-2018 01:36AM

Arghus wrote: »

There's a few exceptions, but 95% of people who end up in prison are blatant re-reg trolls - and well deserve it.

There are many instances of people who when they at least make some effort to engage with the "authorities" are given lesser bans/ second chances. It does happen.

Edit: Not to say that the admins down there are absolutely right all the time and yes, some of them seem to suffer from a case of smarty-pants, but dealing with people lying through their teeth and then acting faux-innocent about it probably brings that out in a person.

I'm not sure if you have experience of the DRP, but I assure you it is a hearty farce and its existence is there to give the appearance of 'justice' without actually offering any. By the time you find yourself opening a Prison thread, someone should really do you a favour and lock you a room without internet access.

Doltanian · 02-01-2018 01:38AM

The travel forum was what first attracted me to boards long before I ever made an account here, it has declined enormously, boards is killing itself because of politically correct moderators and the left wing agenda they espouse. I would worry for their mental health as it seems boards is about the only life some of them seem to have, when this place closes which it inevitably will, some of these guys will struggle to find something else to do in real life.

Permabear · 02-01-2018 01:39AM

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Tom Mann Centuria · 02-01-2018 01:43AM

Doltanian wrote: »

The travel forum was what first attracted me to boards long before I ever made an account here, it has declined enormously, boards is killing itself because of politically correct moderators and the left wing agenda they espouse. I would worry for their mental health as it seems boards is about the only life some of them seem to have, when this place closes which it inevitably will, some of these guys will struggle to find something else to do in real life.

Do we really need the mental health sh*te at the end of your post? I get your viewpoint loud and clear without the need for an obvious cheap shot.

JenovaProject · 02-01-2018 01:48AM

Donald Trump thread on the politics forum is a great example....If you post in there without criticising Trump you are rounded upon by all posters and finally a mod tells you to "get back on topic" or "up the standard".....That thread is the epitome of an echo chamber.
Granted Trump is a clown but fcuk sake its not pro Trump posters that are being silenced its posters who dont jump on the bandwagon and ridicule every move he makes.

Doltanian · 02-01-2018 01:50AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Do we really need the mental health sh*te at the end of your post? I get your viewpoint loud and clear without the need for an obvious cheap shot.

Spending hours and hours online on one website is not good for anyone, it presents a warped view of reality and I’m only offering my viewpoints in the hope of bettering the website. It’s obvious that there is some mods (not all) who feel as if this position of authority is the biggest things in their lives and their narcisstic egotistical personalities are played out through it along with their political viewpoints. To be a moderator of anything should be to fair and unbiased but that is very often not the case, the nods pursue their agenda and their own cronyism with their select cronyism. We have seen this with the disgraceful way CNN treats trump and certain topics are treated like this here also.

cbreeze · 02-01-2018 01:54AM

KyussB wrote: »

It's a topic which has been done to death - and done so, because it's been a constant problem for years and years now - and management seems determined to do nothing about it, other than hide the 'negativity' of discussing it.

At its core, the problem is that the attitudes and views of those running the site - the admins/mods - are going to stay the same no matter how the rules and all are tweaked - the site needs a complete reboot, to discard the people running the site, discard the bureaucratic system of rules that can't be consistently enforced, and start over with the lightest-touch moderation possible.

Let the community lead the site, don't have a small cabal of moderators dictating the fucking flow of things - even if they mean well, scores of them are fucking things up all over the site.

I think the corporate management that is still left, just don't give a shit about Boards or the community anymore - they're just interested in leveraging the base functionality of the site, for commercial purposes, and don't give a toss about the community, or truly open discussion.

Boards is not about discussion - its about selling advertising and making money for the owners, and also protecting the site from legal claims and bad publicity which will deter advertisers.

Boards is a business.

Boards is a very useful source of information on practical things like bleeding radiators, wedding etiquette, and motorbikes. When I want to make an off the wall comment or a rant that is non-PC I go to the pub or club and rant away to real people, not to usernames like '!l*nk@', or '&oink' (and apologies to !l*nk@ and &oink if they actually exist out there, but I made these up).

Necro · 02-01-2018 01:58AM

Nate--IRL-- wrote:

AH has always been the sewer of Boards TBH. If I could remove/hide it from the the front page I would.

This x1000. So many good specified forums mentioned already in thread (a lot I don't even post in). Motors, PW, Wedding, Animals & Pets, Acc & Property (although I'd hate to mod some of the threads there), Soccer... just to name a few. Active communities with active debates about topics rather than same old point scoring rubbish and thanks whoring.

AH is grand for an ould argument but specific topic discussion is beyond the forum in my humble opinion. The reason it is daunting for a new poster is because AH haunts the Latest and Trending feeds. Hard to delve deeper when all you see is shallow points scoring nonsense dominating the top threads (Soccer is terribly guilty of this too tbh, in spite of excellent modding).

If other forums were highlighted ahead of the always popular AH on main feeds some may not be so quiet... probably too late though and understandable why focus would be on the most popular forum.

Doesn't make me like the place any more though... sorry folks

Tell me how · 02-01-2018 02:01AM

JenovaProject wrote:

Donald Trump thread on the politics forum is a great example....If you post in there without criticising Trump you are rounded upon by all posters and finally a mod tells you to "get back on topic" or "up the standard".....That thread is the epitome of an echo chamber. Granted Trump is a clown but fcuk sake its not pro Trump posters that are being silenced its posters who dont jump on the bandwagon and ridicule every move he makes.

I post in that. Would love to see some objective posting in support of Trump to challenge the low hanging fruit which giving out about him is.

The only voices in support of him don't want to be challenged with any of the multitude of evidence as to what he is doing poorly and guess what, they then call the place an echo chamber.

Should boards allow nonsense to be posted just to maintain some semblance of balance?

JenovaProject · 02-01-2018 02:05AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I post in that. Would love to see some objective posting in support of Trump to challenge the low hanging fruit which giving out about him US.

The only voices in support of him don't want to be challenged with any of the multitude of evidence as to what he is doing poorly and guess what, they then call the place an echo chamber.

Should boards allow nonsense to be posted just to maintain some semblance of balance?

My point is that posters cant post in that thread unless they give out about Trump.
Its hard to find supporters of the man because he's so useless but unless your making silly jokes about him,you are ganged upon and a mod finally steps in to cut you out of the echo chamber...its a fcuking joke that thread.

Insect Overlord · 02-01-2018 02:13AM

Chorus_suck wrote: »

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Aw, precious. You must be utterly lost these days without the Feedback forum.

Necro · 02-01-2018 02:14AM

Deleted User wrote:

With regards to building a solid community within Boards I think each forum should take responsibilty for that. Let's say for example there are places here that have a reputation for being unwelcome, well maybe set about changing that. Or if a forum is heavy on the moderation then it's local mods and users could look at why that is. Something else to consider might be the criteria used for selecting mods and to ensure a wide range of people are chosen.

Yep. AH posters could lead by example tbh. It being the most popular forum and all. Instead of being so dismissive and blaming moderation.

Tell me how · 02-01-2018 02:14AM

JenovaProject wrote:

My point is that posters cant post in that thread unless they give out about Trump. Its hard to find supporters of the man because he's so useless but unless your making silly jokes about him,you are ganged upon and a mod finally steps in to cut you out of the echo chamber...its a fcuking joke that thread.

I disagree, as I outlined in my previous post.

If there was a thread and somebody was rounded on because they said women are academically inferior to men, would that be because it was an echo chamber of feminists or because what that particular poster was suggesting was nonsense.

JenovaProject · 02-01-2018 02:17AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I disagree, as I outlined in my previous post.

If there was a thread and somebody was rounded on because they said women are academically inferior to men, would that be because it was an echo chamber of feminists or because what that particular poster was suggesting was nonsense.

Whataboutery.
Typical of all thats wrong when someones dares suggest an alternative view to the popular narrative.

Its an echo chamber because posters who dont subscribe to the narrative of "Everything Trump is bad" is hounded out of the forum.

Chorus_suck · 02-01-2018 02:17AM

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Tell me how · 02-01-2018 02:29AM

JenovaProject wrote:

Whataboutery. Typical of all thats wrong when someones dares suggest an alternative view to the popular narrative.

Its an echo chamber because posters who dont subscribe to the narrative of "Everything Trump is bad" is hounded out of the forum.

Alternative view = fine
Backed up by evidence = excellent
Coherent arguments = perfect

Cartman style "screw you I'm going home" = don't let the door hit you on the way out

Insect Overlord · 02-01-2018 02:33AM

Chorus_suck wrote: »

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I genuinely cannot see how anything at all in my reply to you fits any logical definition of the term "abuse". Keep banging the drum, though. You've been playing the same monotonous beat since 2005. All that's changed is that you've pissed off some great mods and admins over the years, and now you don't even have the Feedback forum to do it in any more.

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The slow death of forums see OP for Admin warning and update 28/02/18