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The slow death of forums *see OP for Admin warning and update 28/02/18*

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  • #362
    Ewan Hoosarmi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭Ewan Hoosarmi


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Em just looked at the safe thread and it was locked cause the OP asked for it and it doesn't look like he was banned either..
    I suppose you had to be there. The OP was banned and the thread was locked for a while, then some form of sense surfaced and it was opened again, and eventually locked for good. The fun had been sucked out of it by then.

    All in all it was a clusterfuck IIRC.


  • #363
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,737 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    But at this stage I don't see much hope for change. After all, this is the second thread on this subject in less than a week and it's following the same path.. people complain (many with fair points and constructively), Mods get defensive and take a "if you don't like it, leave" stance, and the thread goes round and round for a while until it degenerates into the aforementioned bickering which then in turn legitimises the Mod action of locking it.
    (

    Lets just look at this. One mod (me) asked why the people who are so offended by all things Boards, stay. A couple of people agreed - so maybe four or five people in 25 pages of posts and some 360+ posts. This is not 'mods' this is a very small number of people, some of whom happen to be mods in other areas, but are primarily users and thus entitled to an opinion.

    Further it was not a 'if you don't like it, leave' situation, it was asking why anyone would choose to contribute to a site that annoys them, and pointing out that there are other sites that already have the ethos that is being sought, so why change this one, why not just move to one that suits?

    Yes, there are some reasonable arguments and some good points, but the majority of the negativity is generalised, casual (and I suspect sometimes trolling) unworkable or unreasonable stuff. It is more than likely that good points that are being raised are being noted. Just because one person says 'this should happen' doesn't mean it will be instantly acted on, but I have no doubt that the people who can make things happen (and that does not include me) are taking note.


  • #364
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    touch.boards.ie is nearly as good as a mobile site will get bar the ability to navigate to the parent node from where you currently are(i.e. there is no breadcrumb navigation)

    The repsonive site is terrible looking from the 5 seconds I spent looking at it.

    Just tweak the touch site to make it responsive. Job done.


  • #365
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • #366
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Definitely getting a feeling of deja vú here.
    When Mods and even Admins feel powerless to effect change you've got to wonder what hope there is for the site.
    Boards.ie owners have a certain vision for this website and that's it.
    If what happened to the Cafe didn't demonstrate this then castrating the Feedback forum left us in no doubt.
    "You should feel grateful for having the site and if you don't like it then leave" seems to be the attitude.


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  • #367
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    I do worry for some of the mods here. When the total collapse comes I don't think some of them will be prepared for it. The one or two I know in real life will really struggle as for a lot of them boards modding is the biggest thing they have in their life. Sometimes the only thing. And when you've done nothing else as a hobby for 10 years well...

    Is it true that a mod here put Boards.ie Moderator on their LinkedIn profile before?


  • #368
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    looksee wrote: »
    Lets just look at this. One mod (me) asked why the people who are so offended by all things Boards, stay. A couple of people agreed - so maybe four or five people in 25 pages of posts and some 360+ posts. This is not 'mods' this is a very small number of people, some of whom happen to be mods in other areas, but are primarily users and thus entitled to an opinion.

    Further it was not a 'if you don't like it, leave' situation, it was asking why anyone would choose to contribute to a site that annoys them, and pointing out that there are other sites that already have the ethos that is being sought, so why change this one, why not just move to one that suits?

    Yes, there are some reasonable arguments and some good points, but the majority of the negativity is generalised, casual (and I suspect sometimes trolling) unworkable or unreasonable stuff. It is more than likely that good points that are being raised are being noted. Just because one person says 'this should happen' doesn't mean it will be instantly acted on, but I have no doubt that the people who can make things happen (and that does not include me) are taking note.

    Why not put a poll on a number of options??

    To dismiss the majority of complaints as trolling is literally just looking for any excuse to not engage with them?


  • #369
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,737 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Some of who? Mods? I have already responded to that.

    Why is it my responsibility any more than yours or any other poster to 'address good points'? I m just discussing, same as you. Good points will stand for themselves, unfortunately anyone looking for them has to plough through 25 pages to find them.

    Wouldn't it be great if we had a forum where reasonable suggestions could be made without a deluge of pointless and abusive posts by trollish hangers-on?


  • #370
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • #371
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    looksee wrote: »
    Some of who? Mods? I have already responded to that.

    Why is it my responsibility any more than yours or any other poster to 'address good points'? I m just discussing, same as you. Good points will stand for themselves, unfortunately anyone looking for them has to plough through 25 pages to find them.

    Wouldn't it be great if we had a forum where reasonable suggestions could be made without a deluge of pointless and abusive posts by trollish hangers-on?

    There's a proportion of trollish hanging-on going on in the thread, but I think the majority of people have been reasonable and fair so far.


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  • #372
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    looksee wrote: »
    Some of who? Mods? I have already responded to that.

    Why is it my responsibility any more than yours or any other poster to 'address good points'? I m just discussing, same as you. Good points will stand for themselves, unfortunately anyone looking for them has to plough through 25 pages to find them.

    Wouldn't it be great if we had a forum where reasonable suggestions could be made without a deluge of pointless and abusive posts by trollish hangers-on?

    To be fair, this post is displaying a defensive attitude to a reasonable point and by digging in your heels it will result in the entrenched two sided argument we were saying is to be avoided.

    The poster is looking for mod support on what changes are desirable.


  • #373
    TheAnalyst_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Is it true that a mod here put Boards.ie Moderator on their LinkedIn profile before?

    No joking but I saw it on a cv before when i was on a job panel. I made sure they didn't get an interview.


  • #374
    sKeith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭sKeith


    NollagShona wrote: »
    Thread titles that are inaccurate, sensationalist and misleading

    See Berlin NYE thread today

    Theres one that keeps poping up on the homepage,
    How to get ass in galway
    Then I find out the Op just used the symbol for ass instead of saying 'something'.


  • #375
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Jesus I won't be surprised if this thread gets closed. The aggressive tone from some posters challenging others just because they're a mod on Boards is downright pathetic.

    A lot of you need, particularly those lurking in the background thanking every post directed dismissively towards a moderator to seriously re examine your own lives worth.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #376
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,737 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I think I have said all I want to in this thread. However one suggestion I would like is that mods could be only shown as mods within the forum(s) they moderate. I would like this but I understand it is beyond the scope of the current system. Still it would be nice to just contribute to threads as a person, rather than a mod.


  • #377
    TheAnalyst_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Remember boards used to regularly crop up on the tv. Those days are long gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm1A9Ob2NmE


  • #378
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    I like to think that the werewolf forum has done its part keeping posts up.

    The Mustard forum is the quiet workhorse of boards..

    [Leonard Nimoy]Isn't there just a little bit of mustard in us all..?[/Leonard Nimoy]


  • #379
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • #380
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    Thats what they don't seem to get. The site is ours. The content is ours.

    If you say no its not, its a private company... blah blah. Fine we will stop using it and the site will not exist. When the removed the policits cafe and one thread in particular was gone forever I was pissed off. All that content was created by us and then somebody comes along and thinks they can end it for whatever reason. Why would we spend time again creating interesting threads and posts?


    And even worse is when Admins makes a point of patronisingly allowing feedback on new 'changes'.
    And when the overwhelming majority of users point out that they don't like the new changes, Admins reply with 'yeah it's great that you're all providing feedback, but we've already decided that we're doing in OUR way so get fcuked everyone'.

    And that's the end of that. They had already decided the outcome before the feedback began.


  • #381
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    To be fair, this post is displaying a defensive attitude to a reasonable point and by digging in your heels it will result in the entrenched two sided argument we were saying is to be avoided.

    The poster is looking for mod support on what changes are desirable.

    I support feedback being proper feedback again as has been suggested, with minimum post number and or length of time registered.

    But my support means the same as yours and every other poster, nothing more. This is fact, not defensive, and it is gets frustrating when certain posters frame the argument as them versus us, which is patently bullplop, I have no more say about any of this than you do, nor can I lock this thread, reopen a thread, edit a thread or molest it in any way as it's not the forum I mod.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • #382
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Necrominus wrote: »
    Jesus I won't be surprised if this thread gets closed. The aggressive tone from some posters challenging others just because they're a mod on Boards is downright pathetic.

    A lot of you need, particularly those lurking in the background thanking every post directed dismissively towards a moderator to seriously re examine your own lives worth.

    That's a very one-sided point of view ...... if anything, it's the Mods (posting as "normal" posters of course) who are coming across as aggressively defensive.

    "Just leave if you don't like it" ..... that's how to solve the problem, just make it go away.


  • #383
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    That's a very one-sided point of view ...... if anything, it's the Mods (posting as "normal" posters of course) who are coming across as aggressively defensive.

    "Just leave if you don't like it" ..... that's how to solve the problem, just make it go away.

    No it's not. Mods and admins are volunteers here, they are in place to enforce the rules. Not make them. Constantly railroading the thread and aggressively posturing the situation as it being their fault is patently wrong and the EXACT reason why threads like this get closed.

    Proper feedback as said above is fine. Deliberately dismissing a mod or admins view because of their status is lame and a terrible argument.

    And I happen to agree with some points made by certain posters. It's exactly like a lot of people tending to blame the rank and file Gardai for decisions made by their higher ups, ie not seeing the bigger picture.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #384
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Necrominus wrote: »
    Jesus Christ am I invisible?

    What cliques and where do they hang out? I see no evidence of such.

    Forum Games which is my primary hangout has seen 81 different players play Werewolf since it's birth on Boards. Some have played one game and never come back.

    Others like myself have stayed around. We are actively advertising all the time for new players for each game. So, no clique that I can see.

    Most of the other forums I frequent are similar. Maybe not to everyone's taste but certainly not cliquish.

    I don't see cliques on AH, I see people shouting at each other a lot.

    So I ask again, for the fourth time.

    Where are these cliques you are all going on about?

    You won't get an answer either, so don't hold you breath!

    I haven't seen any cliques either. Although I wouldn't cop that sort of thing, as it wouldn't bother me.


  • #385
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    That's a very one-sided point of view ...... if anything, it's the Mods (posting as "normal" posters of course) who are coming across as aggressively defensive.

    To be honest, can you blame some of the mods if that’s how it comes across? It’s hard to take criticism all the time without reacting. Mods are asked to volunteer their time here and they care about the forums they mod, in a similar way to how posters care about the forums they post in.

    Please try to remember when criticising that you are commenting on real people. That’s all I ask.


  • #386
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    looksee wrote: »
    Lets just look at this. One mod (me) asked why the people who are so offended by all things Boards, stay. A couple of people agreed - so maybe four or five people in 25 pages of posts and some 360+ posts. This is not 'mods' this is a very small number of people, some of whom happen to be mods in other areas, but are primarily users and thus entitled to an opinion.

    Further it was not a 'if you don't like it, leave' situation, it was asking why anyone would choose to contribute to a site that annoys them, and pointing out that there are other sites that already have the ethos that is being sought, so why change this one, why not just move to one that suits?

    Yes, there are some reasonable arguments and some good points, but the majority of the negativity is generalised, casual (and I suspect sometimes trolling) unworkable or unreasonable stuff. It is more than likely that good points that are being raised are being noted. Just because one person says 'this should happen' doesn't mean it will be instantly acted on, but I have no doubt that the people who can make things happen (and that does not include me) are taking note.

    My brother loves a good burger but he hates onions so whenever he orders a burger he asks for them to be left out and sometimes he ends up having to pick the onions out before he can enjoy his burger.
    He could just order something else but he wants the burger so he keeps ordering them and just hopes that he'll be listened to next he asks for the onions to be left out.

    I read/post on Boards because I like reading some posters opinions on various topics and offering my own opinion ..... even if that means having to endure picking out the onions first.


  • #387
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭job seeker


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    Remember boards used to regularly crop up on the tv. Those days are long gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm1A9Ob2NmE

    A whopping 385 views on that video!

    :pac:


  • #388
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    My brother loves a good burger but he hates onions so whenever he orders a burger he asks for them to be left out and sometimes he ends up having to pick the onions out before he can enjoy his burger.
    He could just order something else but he wants the burger so he keeps ordering them and just hopes that he'll be listened to next he asks for the onions to be left out.

    I read/post on Boards because I like reading some posters opinions on various topics and offering my own opinion ..... even if that means having to endure picking out the onions first.

    Fair point, and I also now want a burger.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #389
    Vronsky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Vronsky


    Necrominus wrote: »
    Jesus I won't be surprised if this thread gets closed. The aggressive tone from some posters challenging others just because they're a mod on Boards is downright pathetic.

    A lot of you need, particularly those lurking in the background thanking every post directed dismissively towards a moderator to seriously re examine your own lives worth.
    There's an irony in criticising aggressive posting with an aggressive post of your own.

    In fairness anyone posting what essentially is "if you don't like it here, leave" to people who have contributed as much content to the forums as they have deserve to be treated with opprobrium


  • #390
    KellyXX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭KellyXX


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    No joking but I saw it on a cv before when i was on a job panel. I made sure they didn't get an interview.


    One of the mods here used to work in my company. He thought nobody knew but the whole of IT used to be taking the piss behind his back at every post. I don't know how he got any work done with the amount of drivel out of him.
    From his posts you would think he ran the company but far from it. Even today, even though he works elswhere, his posts get plenty of laughs in the company


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  • #391
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Vronsky wrote: »
    There's an irony in criticising aggressive posting with an aggressive past of your own.

    In fairness anyone posting what essentially is "if you don't like it here, leave" to people who have contributed as much content to the forums as they have deserve to be treated with opprobrium

    Fair enough, but then if you look at the post directly below yours.....
    KellyXX wrote: »
    One of the mods here used to work in my company. He thought nobody knew but the whole of IT used to be taking the piss behind his back at every post. I don't know how he got any work done with the amount of drivel out of him.

    You see exactly what I'm on about. Mindless, pointless drivel that may or may not be true and has NOTHING to do with issues on Boards.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



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