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Net Neutrality Repealed in the US

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  • 14-12-2017 11:11pm
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    Wurly
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    THe FCC in America have repealed Net Neutrality... Here's just a glimpse of what this means for Americans:
    Take Google for example. Now that net neutrality rules have been dismantled, the internet monolith faces the possibility of paying higher fees to access high-speed (meaning, the same speeds they've enjoyed for the past two years) lanes. This is one reason Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and other major companies have been so loudly, fervently opposed to the destruction of net neutrality: They want to make money, and paying higher fees doesn't compute with this goal. Meanwhile, small ISPs hoping to enter the market would face these same elevated prices for faster connections, potentially stifling innovation at the onset.

    ISPs, on the other hand, want the ability to charge these higher fees. Not only does today's FCC's ruling open the path for ISPs to institute multiple internet speed lanes, but it also allows them to engage in previously banned practices like throttling, blocking and paid prioritization. Throttling, for instance, would allow a company like Comcast to slow speeds down on certain apps or sites, thereby nudging people toward alternative services. Comcast is the largest ISP in the US and it happens to own NBCUniversal, which has a controlling stake in Hulu. If Comcast wants to give Hulu an edge over Netflix, it's now free to slow down speeds just for Netflix. Hell, it could even block the service entirely.

    Source: https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/14/net-neutrality-what-now/

    The definition of net neutrality is: "The principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favouring or blocking particular products or websites.".

    Oh dear!! This is a little scary...... Basically, the internet is set to become an absolute sh!t show for the smaller ISP's... All of the conglomerates in bed with the big guys will have quick access granted to their websites. The others will be slow as bejaysis. So if you're on your fave site and it's barely loading, you're eventually going to look elsewhere. And that elsewhere will be what they decide you look at. You won't get that decision anymore.


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    #2
    doc22
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    Why should ISP's invest massive sums into infrastructure while allowing other companies profit of there backs?


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    #3
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    In the long run it will be beneficial if different private business(big web companies) add their own infrastructure which will secure their autonomy and improve the overall situation.


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    ThisRegard
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    doc22 wrote: »
    Why should ISP's invest massive sums into infrastructure while allowing other companies profit of there backs?

    Here here. Now, how do I pay my transport provider their cut of my profits I earn from them taking me to and from the place I make my money.

    It's a nonsensical argument.


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    Sonics2k
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    doc22 wrote: »
    Why should ISP's invest massive sums into infrastructure while allowing other companies profit of there backs?

    You know the various ISP's have been given anywhere between $200billion and $400billion to expand the infrastructure across the US by the Government, right?

    No Net Neutrality also means that ISP's can throttle bandwidth to certain websites either because they want you to use their own platform (Netflix for example) or simply because they want you to pay more per month.

    Thankfully in the EU we have Net Neutrality, and it's not going anywhere.


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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,201 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So, potentially daft question coming in here (not as tech savvy as most of you here), but will this effect non-US internet users?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    doc22
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Here here. Now, how do I pay my transport provider their cut of my profits I earn from them taking me to and from the place I make my money.

    It's a nonsensical argument.

    If you were using say a bus as a mode of transport to deliver products commercially say as a courier and taking up space with parcels would you not be expected to pay more?


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    bodhrandude
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    So, potentially daft question coming in here (not as tech savvy as most of you here), but will this effect non-US internet users?

    It could affect streaming of US premiered shows and torrent sites and the like.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    ThisRegard
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    doc22 wrote: »
    If you were using say a bus as a mode of transport to deliver products commercially say as a courier and taking up space with parcels would you not be expected to pay more?

    Will the bus company charge me more, drive much, much slower, or the long way, if my neighbour pays them more for preferential treatment, making it harder for me to get to work and earn money?


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    doc22
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    Do you think it's fair that websites like netflix's can choke up infrastructure but pay nothing towards it's up keep?


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    ThisRegard
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    doc22 wrote: »
    Do you think it's fair that websites like netflix's can choke up infrastructure but pay nothing towards it's up keep?

    Have you read how Netflix manage their data over the internet via their CDNs they pay for?


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    Wurly
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    It also means having to pay for downloading simple things like PDF files.

    There's talk of social media becoming a chargeable service like this:

    Twitter: $14.99/month
    Snapchat: $9.99/month
    YouTube: $19.99/month
    Netflix: $9.99/per movie
    Google: $1.99/per search

    Nuts!


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    Ipso
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    Wurly wrote: »
    It also means having to pay for downloading simple things like PDF files.

    There's talk of social media becoming a chargeable service like this:

    Twitter: $14.99/month
    Snapchat: $9.99/month
    YouTube: $19.99/month
    Netflix: $9.99/per movie
    Google: $1.99/per search

    Nuts!

    Hopefully this could be the end of facebook and twatter!


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    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    You know the various ISP's have been given anywhere between $200billion and $400billion to expand the infrastructure across the US by the Government, right?

    No Net Neutrality also means that ISP's can throttle bandwidth to certain websites either because they want you to use their own platform (Netflix for example) or simply because they want you to pay more per month.

    Thankfully in the EU we have Net Neutrality, and it's not going anywhere.


    Good, I was about to ask will it effect the EU - hope above stays true for the foreseeable future anyway.


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    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    It could affect streaming of US premiered shows and torrent sites and the like.

    It could, but I suspect people will start to use secure VPNs - ISP can't see the encrypted data.


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    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    There's nothing American about neutrality!


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    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,384 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    You forgot one important detail about that decision from the FCC.

    The US House of Congress could make the decision with a simple majority vote calling for this repeal to be reversed. But then if this vote isn't reversed at all; it could be a complete disaster for enabling continuing progression through all areas of the digital economy in America.


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    end of the road
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    doc22 wrote: »
    Do you think it's fair that websites like netflix's can choke up infrastructure but pay nothing towards it's up keep?

    netflics pays for the infrastructure they use.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    Hammer89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    I have one question and one question only: Can I still ****?


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    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I have one question and one question only: Can I still ****?
    Yeah but it’s $9.99 per ejaculation ☹️


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    [Deleted User]
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    Aren't some of our practices here anti-Net Neutrality? You have mobile phone networks offering free access to YouTube, Facebook, etc. Pretty sure that's against what is defined as Net Neutrality.


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    Infini
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Aren't some of our practices here anti-Net Neutrality? You have mobile phone networks offering free access to YouTube, Facebook, etc. Pretty sure that's against what is defined as Net Neutrality.

    In fairness theres a difference between free access and actively throttling competitors. The real problem with the net neutrality repeal is ISPs acting the bollocks and slowing down their competitors. ISPs wont be to quick either on ripping people off because firstly the net neutrality rules came about in the first place because of their messing. The second is that congress may yet block the repeal expecially after the loss of a republican stronghold and rising fury of people at their shenanigans.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Thankfully in the EU we have Net Neutrality, and it's not going anywhere.
    We actually don't. It's how a Portugese ISP can do this and Eir/Meteor can give free access to selected social media sites via their "Social Networking Bundle". From https://www.eir.ie/mobile/prepay/
    On the Meteor Simplicity 4G plans you will automatically get unlimited access to Youtube (until 28th Feb 2018), Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, viber and whatsapp without eating into your data allowance.
    end of the road wrote: »
    netflics pays for the infrastructure they use.
    Indeed. In fact, Eir have a Netflix CDN in-house. Unlike Virgin Media, who were throttling the hell out of it a few years back by misrouting traffic via the US and back.


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    #24
    Fnz
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I have one question and one question only: Can I still ****?

    Well, Comcast and AT&T may throttle you...
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Aren't some of our practices here anti-Net Neutrality? You have mobile phone networks offering free access to YouTube, Facebook, etc. Pretty sure that's against what is defined as Net Neutrality.

    Thin end of the wedge, few will get outraged by getting free additional data. Can later be thrown in the face of objectors when Ireland/EU decide to repeal NN - "truth is we've never had neutrality... and it has been great for consumers!"


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    #25
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    He couldn't even just do it and not be a complete pryk about it - he's actually rubbing everyone's noses in it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8a3yZDVUM


    Also one of the people in the harlem shake part of it is an alt-right loon.


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    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Karsini wrote: »
    We actually don't. It's how a Portugese ISP can do this and Eir/Meteor can give free access to selected social media sites via their "Social Networking Bundle". From https://www.eir.ie/mobile/prepay/


    Indeed. In fact, Eir have a Netflix CDN in-house. Unlike Virgin Media, who were throttling the hell out of it a few years back by misrouting traffic via the US and back.

    We actually do:

    http://berec.europa.eu/eng/netneutrality/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_law#European_Union

    Basically all Net Neutrality means is that ISP's can't actively block or throttle your access to certain websites.

    Eir, for example, don't block or throttle your access to social media sites, rather they simply don't include the data used when browsing those sites.


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    biZrb
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    I think this is a disaster for the consumer, it now gives ISPs the ability to charge extra for certain things on the internet that were once part of the package the consumer received from an ISP. The greed of corporate companies in America and the support they receive from Senators is just astonishing.

    Also, that Ajit Pai guy seems like a prat.


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    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    That Ajit Pai deserve a box, the smary little bollox!


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    [Deleted User]
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    We actually do:

    http://berec.europa.eu/eng/netneutrality/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_law#European_Union

    Basically all Net Neutrality means is that ISP's can't actively block or throttle your access to certain websites.

    Eir, for example, don't block or throttle your access to social media sites, rather they simply don't include the data used when browsing those sites.
    But if we have Net Neutrality, how are MEO getting away with what they're doing?


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    ThisRegard
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    Karsini wrote: »
    We actually don't. It's how a Portugese ISP can do this and Eir/Meteor can give free access to selected social media sites via their "Social Networking Bundle". From https://www.eir.ie/mobile/prepay/

    I've had this debate before. It's not really the same. They're additional add on for a mobile phone package. If you don't take them you're not restricted from using them.

    If you voluntarily do take them you're not excluded from using any other service, nor is any other service throttled or blocked from being used. Any of the services included in such bundles don't pay to do so in order to throttle rival services.

    With the days of all you can eat packages on this side of the world you don't really need such packages and can use your data to do whatever you want.


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    But you're still favouring one service over another.


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