Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

SkepticQuark · 14-12-2017 08:13PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

The battle for Net Neutrality is over! The companies that spent hundreds of millions shilling to trick the public into supporting their agenda have LOST! Just like magic all the hysteria will disappear.

I will never understand these people/bots. ISPs basically wrote a cheque for this to happen but it's actually evil Netflix that are the bad guys this time. It's basically anything against Trump/Republican agenda bad, anything for good. If Comcast tomorrow say they want to "crack down on fake news" they'd be melting so fast after being on their side today. Boggles the mind.

dudara · 14-12-2017 08:24PM

I find that over enthusiastic use of capital letters and exclamation marks is a great way of filtering out what I don’t need to waste my time on.

Nody · 14-12-2017 08:28PM

Interesting change in Fox viewers view of Trump over time; I wonder what's been the driving factor of the drop as it's quite significant even by Trump standards. He's not been more outrageous as far as I can recall in Q3/Q4 compared to earlier. Is it his failure to implement anything etc.?

https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/940998614293401600

Jamiekelly · 14-12-2017 09:19PM

Nody wrote: »

Interesting change in Fox viewers view of Trump over time; I wonder what's been the driving factor of the drop as it's quite significant even by Trump standards. He's not been more outrageous as far as I can recall in Q3/Q4 compared to earlier. Is it his failure to implement anything etc.?

https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/940998614293401600

The rust belt aren't seeing those Jobs he promised, and with 1 trillion in debt ready to be heaped onto the poor and middle class in these states to balance the billionaire's tax cut it's no surprise they are getting impatient and irritable. Trump is starting to look like the swamp he once claimed to be draining.

PopePalpatine · 14-12-2017 09:23PM

roddy15 wrote: »

I will never understand these people/bots. ISPs basically wrote a cheque for this to happen but it's actually evil Netflix that are the bad guys this time. It's basically anything against Trump/Republican agenda bad, anything for good. If Comcast tomorrow say they want to "crack down on fake news" they'd be melting so fast after being on their side today. Boggles the mind.

Well of course they are, they won't give the alt-right's favourite scamsters and trolls their own comedy specials, and gave the green light to such "white genocide"-pushing travesties as "Jessica Jones" and "Luke Cage"!

ThisRegard · 14-12-2017 09:45PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

There goes net neutrality. America is such a dismal place.

There's a whole bunch of states lining up to sue the FCC already, plus it has to go through Congress where apparently it has been kicked back twice previously.

C14N · 14-12-2017 10:22PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what they do with this. Imagine the outcry when ISPs start charging extra for Porn.

This is something that I've considered too. Even these alt-right trolls watch porn, and there's no way porn websites get their own fastlane package from the ISPs.

Samaris · 14-12-2017 10:29PM

So, given all the other dirty tricks, with net neutrality gone, any bets as to how many election cycles go by before political messages start getting slowed/suppressed?

circadian · 15-12-2017 01:07AM

Samaris wrote: »

So, given all the other dirty tricks, with net neutrality gone, any bets as to how many election cycles go by before political messages start getting slowed/suppressed?

It'll be as soon as possible.

Christy42 · 15-12-2017 01:13AM

Samaris wrote: »

So, given all the other dirty tricks, with net neutrality gone, any bets as to how many election cycles go by before political messages start getting slowed/suppressed?

Does it not still have a few more hoops to go through?

PopePalpatine · 15-12-2017 01:22AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Does it not still have a few more hoops to go through?

Congress can just legislate against it, and I suppose if an Obamacare repeal failed under Trump's watch, there's still some hope.

jooksavage · 15-12-2017 08:31AM

Lindsay Graham reckons there's a 1-in-3 chance that Trump attacks North Korea. Remember the "HRC is a war monger" line?

Quin_Dub · 15-12-2017 09:16AM

Mueller going after Cambridge Analytica now..

Special counsel Robert Mueller's office has reportedly requested information from Cambridge Analytica, the data firm utilized by the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Mueller's team has requested all emails from employees at the firm who worked with the campaign

That could get quite interesting.

Samaris · 15-12-2017 09:46AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Does it not still have a few more hoops to go through?

Does, from the sounds of it. I missed the comment saying so until after I'd posted. But if this does pass, I'd wager on it being used to suppress votes.

America's vaunted democracy is not exactly full democracy.

Billy86 · 15-12-2017 10:13AM

There's also talk of the likes of NY and Washington (unsure if DC or state - both would make sense) ignoring it and continuing on with net neutrality. I'm not sure how viable that is but if it passes and if those areas do manage to keep it, I am 1,000% certain that in no time at all we'll be hearing about how it was all "a big liberal conspiracy from George Soros to take over the internet and suppress the right, push his agenda, etc etc... and all the proof you need is in how the liberal states got to keep theirs".

Then the same people parroting that will blindly mosey along and vote for The Almighty (R).

everlast75 · 15-12-2017 10:32AM

jooksavage wrote: »

Lindsay Graham reckons there's a 1-in-3 chance that Trump attacks North Korea. Remember the "HRC is a war monger" line?

I couldn't stand that bloke, fella, man, person

but then he appeared on the Daily Show during the Republican nominations and came across quite well. He was saying how difficult it would be to chose between Ted Cruz and Trump. Quite funny too.

So, after saying that Trump was comparable to death by poison, he tweets last week or so words to the effect "just playing golf with the POTUS at his xxx golf club. A great day had".

I quickly reverted to despising him again.

Trent Houseboat · 15-12-2017 10:38AM

mcmoustache wrote:

I just had a look over at the_donald. They're strangely enough all for the removal of net neutrality. Here's a few of their submission titles:

Are the people on r/thedonald rejoicing at the possibility of Comcast throttling anyone trying to stream Fox News, a competitor, but delivering MSNBC, which they own, at unregulated bandwidths?

Zascar · 15-12-2017 10:44AM

Reading The_Donald makes your eyes bleed. It's simply staggering how people can have such insane views. Even on r/Ask_Trump_Supporters - the mental gymnastics they use to explain and excuse everything that happens - genuinely I cannot believe these people are real, I'm sure a large portion are Russian trolls.

Oafley Jones · 15-12-2017 11:11AM

Lots of talk of a Kushner indictment today. I look forward to the inevitable meltdown if true. I see Fox has stepped up their campaign again Mueller in last few hours as well. Coincidence?

mcmoustache · 15-12-2017 11:23AM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Are the people on r/thedonald rejoicing at the possibility of Comcast throttling anyone trying to stream Fox News, a competitor, but delivering MSNBC, which they own, at unregulated bandwidths?

Yes. Yes they are. For the users there who aren't bots or trolls, they'll get a nice surprise when they need to buy the premium adult package from their ISP to access their furry porn.

The sub is worth checking out once a day because you can see the latest alt-right talking points develop there before they get posted here.

For example, today's outrage is Hillary's emails:

BREAKING: @FoxNews has obtained letter from Senate to FBI and Comey Clinton speech draft. “Grossly negligent” was edited out more than once. AND At one point Comey was going to say it was “likely” that foreign actors had infiltrated Hillary’s server. That was edited out too!

Don't spend too long in there though - you'll end up feeling all icky and gross.

Billy86 · 15-12-2017 12:06PM

Zascar wrote: »

Reading The_Donald makes your eyes bleed. It's simply staggering how people can have such insane views. Even on r/Ask_Trump_Supporters - the mental gymnastics they use to explain and excuse everything that happens - genuinely I cannot believe these people are real, I'm sure a large portion are Russian trolls.

Don't bother with it, it's genuinely a huge bot factory that acts as a starting point for memes and absurd conspiracy theories, with enough convenient idiots strung along to keep regurgitating. Interesting post on how these bots are typically registered in bulk on there - https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/6cyjrl/how_many_bots_are_on_the_donald_serious_question/

Interesting comparison of it's join rates discussed in that link vs those of /politics and /worldnews for comparison:
http://redditmetrics.com/r/politics
http://redditmetrics.com/r/worldnews
http://redditmetrics.com/r/The_Donald

You can actually spot a point where one or two mass of bots were very likely registered by /worldnews too (and taken away) but what it worth noting is just how low those join rate numbers are outside of the spikes compared to the two other subreddits. They went from averaging about 250-300 people per day to over 22,500 out of the blue in a single week... then dead again, back into the hundreds... until one day when over 11,000 all registered at the same time... and so on in a repeating fashion.

Comparing to /worldnews where the two largest likely bot drops/culls show 14,000 all disappearing in one day (likely after being spotted by mods or some such I would guess) and then about 15,000 more than usual all joining on the same day shortly afterwards. Those are huge bulk numbers but the 15,000 extra accounts on the date 33,000 registered is only about double what it usually is - by comparison T_D shows several large spikes, typically 10-20 times the size of the average day!

Billy86 · 15-12-2017 12:10PM

How absurdly stupid can one single family be?

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/941467519222771713
Trump Jr Twitter: I would pay good money to see all those people complaining about Obama’s FCC chairman voting to repeal #NetNeutality actually explain it in detail. I’d also bet most hadn’t heard of it before this week. #outrage

Ajit Pai - Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission - Incumbent
Assumed office - January 23, 2017 - President Donald Trump

mcmoustache · 15-12-2017 12:21PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Mueller going after Cambridge Analytica now..

That could get quite interesting.

Just to note, this was done before October. According to the Washington Examiner...

The request from Mueller for the documents came prior to reports that emerged in October, showing Nix had reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as part of the 2016 campaign concerning stolen emails related to Hillary Clinton. U.S. intelligence agencies claim the emails were obtained by Russian intelligence and provided to WikiLeaks.

This means that Mueller didn't start on CA just now. It means that he has been on them for months.

Tony EH · 15-12-2017 12:29PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

I just had a look over at the_donald. They're strangely enough all for the removal of net neutrality. Here's a few of their submission titles:

FBI: NOW TARNISHED AND STAINED FROM THE PAST 8 (NOW 9) YEARS. I FEEL BAD FOR THE MANY THOUSANDS OF HARD WORKING REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS OF THE FBI WHO ARRIVE AT WORK EACH DAY JUST SHAKING THEIR HEADS. WTF HAPPENED?

As evidence mounts of a ****in' Conspiracy by Obama the Kenyan and the FBI to Commit a Goddamn Coup D'Etat on US soil, here's another reminder of what the Great Clint Eastwood Warned: "One day we will realize that the Obama presidency was the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American People"

18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government. We're going to start hearing a lot about this statute.

BUFFOON STRZOK (TRUMP CURSE STRIKES AGAIN): Imagine. Fake news described him as the best counter intelligence officer in the FBI. Cross between SHERLOCK HOLMES, 007, AND THE BATMAN. SUPPOSE TO BE A REAL GUM-SHOE. IN REALITY, A POLITICAL HACK NOW WITH A DISGRACED CAREER AND FAMILY. TRUMP CURSE.

What the bloody hell was any of that supposed to be about?

Those quotes just look like some randomly generated words.

mcmoustache · 15-12-2017 12:38PM

Tony EH wrote: »

What the bloody hell was any of that supposed to be about?

Those quotes just look like some randomly generated words.

I wish I could explain but I honestly don't know. It's weird as hell. The headlines are probably created by a mix of bots, trolls, magaheads, mountain dew and capital letters. The posts from "users" are even weirder.

Manic Moran · 15-12-2017 12:44PM

I am older than most on here, as my white hair will indicate, and I remember a time before net neutrality. Back in, oh, 2015 it was. Now, I seem to recall that the Internet generally seemed to work well enough for most of my net-using life.

Our local radio station here in San Francisco is a little biased, but usually tries well enough. What was amusing though, was when they had one of their invited expert professors on, and he was of the opinion that not much was going to change. They seemed to keep pushing for him to predict doom, but he observed that all that as happening was a rollback of the regulations to what they were two years ago, and that things seemed to do OK under the extant anti-trust regulations, which remain in place today.

Manic Moran · 15-12-2017 12:44PM

I am older than most on here, as my white hair will indicate, and I remember a time before net neutrality. Back in, oh, 2015 it was. Now, I seem to recall that the Internet generally seemed to work well enough for most of my net-using life.

Our local radio station here in San Francisco is a little biased, but usually tries well enough. What was amusing though, was when they had one of their invited expert professors on, and he was of the opinion that not much was going to change. They seemed to keep pushing for him to predict doom, but he observed that all that as happening was a rollback of the regulations to what they were two years ago, and that things seemed to do OK under the extant anti-trust regulations, which remain in place today.

Tony EH · 15-12-2017 12:54PM

If "nothing much" is going to happen, why get rid of it in the first place.

"Nothing much" may happen in the short term. But, long term, watch your bills rise and certain sites get blocked, with special monetised keys needed to open them.

ISPs will now have much more control over what you are allowed to look at.

Billy86 · 15-12-2017 12:55PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I am older than most on here, as my white hair will indicate, and I remember a time before net neutrality. Back in, oh, 2015 it was. Now, I seem to recall that the Internet generally seemed to work well enough for most of my net-using life.

Our local radio station here in San Francisco is a little biased, but usually tries well enough. What was amusing though, was when they had one of their invited expert professors on, and he was of the opinion that not much was going to change. They seemed to keep pushing for him to predict doom, but he observed that all that as happening was a rollback of the regulations to what they were two years ago, and that things seemed to do OK under the extant anti-trust regulations, which remain in place today.

So if nothing is going to change, why exactly are the providers and Ajit Pai so determined to get rid of net neutrality despite how clearly unpopular it would be to do so?

listermint · 15-12-2017 12:59PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I am older than most on here, as my white hair will indicate, and I remember a time before net neutrality. Back in, oh, 2015 it was. Now, I seem to recall that the Internet generally seemed to work well enough for most of my net-using life.

Our local radio station here in San Francisco is a little biased, but usually tries well enough. What was amusing though, was when they had one of their invited expert professors on, and he was of the opinion that not much was going to change. They seemed to keep pushing for him to predict doom, but he observed that all that as happening was a rollback of the regulations to what they were two years ago, and that things seemed to do OK under the extant anti-trust regulations, which remain in place today.

Sorry Manic,

But its clear if you think rolling back regulations will make things better and your reasoning is that 'sure it worked ok before' means you clearly dont have a grasp of how the Internet works.

Before now ISPs were quite happy to hook up your home and get paid for the privilege. However in the last 3 years or so where data consumption has grown and we are now truely in an age of online media consumption the same ISPs are saying HEY whats going on here we want a large portion of this pie. No longer content with charging monthly subs and signup install fees they want to get money for driving some media on their infrastructure.

Thats the reason for rolling it back.

I would like YOU to tell us what harm this regulation is doing, in some detail with your understanding of why it was brought in please.

Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

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