Ryanair Pilots put it up to O'Leary

737max · 13-12-2017 02:10PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This is basically how Unions are supposed to work. Fair play to them for having the neck to stand up to him and it could all have been avoided if he'd just bothered to show them some basic courtesy and respect to begin with.

The Union has no interest in the interests of the Pilots who once trained up will be highly employable. The Union don't care that other crew will go without pay on those days if the planes don't fly.
The unions wish to capture control of critical infrastructure which is the civil aviation connection to the outside world.
The Pilots are greater fools who are helping them to achieve their ends.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:11PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what if these also arent an option?

Then I'm afraid you're in the same boat as the rest of us - tough.

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 02:11PM

737max wrote: »

The Union has no interest in the interests of the Pilots who once trained up will be highly employable. The Union don't care that other crew will go without pay on those days if the planes don't fly.
The unions wish to capture control of critical infrastructure which is the civil aviation connection to the outside world.
The Pilots are greater fools who are helping them to achieve their ends.

I've never heard of Ryanair pilots striking before. If it were Aer Lingus again, I'd be much more cynical as with BE and Luas drivers.

keith_sixteen · 13-12-2017 02:12PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I wonder how much support is there for the workers - and how much is based on a hatred for O'Leary ?

I have a lot of support for the pilots in this instance. The work practices simply do not belong in aviation.

I've defended Ryanair in the past, and I have no particular gripe against MOL. The safety record of Ryanair is also excellent.

However, I have a bit more of a behind the scenes view of this. In my opinion, the ryanair model was successful for a long time and is need of updating. They have already made several tweaks as to how they treat their passengers but have not done the same for their staff.

As such, I think MOL is becoming a bit of a dinosaur and while we was very pioneering, other airlines have now either caught up or passed them by. The same pigheadedness that got him where he is, will not sustain him. He is the Arsene Wenger or aviation.

Furthermore, despite their excellent safety record, there have been a high number of small incidents which give big insights. I am not referring to the fuel tables or anything like that.

I'll end by saying that while I have happily flown Ryanair in the past, I will never step on one of their aircraft again. They are a disaster waiting to happen.

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 02:14PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Then I'm afraid you're in the same boat as the rest of us - tough.

So far, the only arguments you've offered against this are histrionics and soundbytes, ie utter nonsense. If the management shares this attitude which seems likely, fair play to them for striking.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:15PM

keith_sixteen wrote: »

I have a lot of support for the pilots in this instance. The work practices simply do not belong in aviation.

I've defended Ryanair in the past, and I have no particular gripe against MOL. The safety record of Ryanair is also excellent.

However, I have a bit more of a behind the scenes view of this. In my opinion, the ryanair model was successful for a long time and is need of updating. They have already made several tweaks as to how they treat their passengers but have not done the same for their staff.

As such, I think MOL is becoming a bit of a dinosaur and while we was very pioneering, other airlines have now either caught up or passed them by. The same pigheadedness that got him where he is, will not sustain him. He is the Arsene Wenger or aviation.

Furthermore, despite their excellent safety record, there have been a high number of small incidents which give big insights. I am not referring to the fuel tables or anything like that.

I'll end by saying that while I have happily flown Ryanair in the past, I will never step on one of their aircraft again. They are a disaster waiting to happen.

I've eight flights with them between 18th Dec and 13th Jan!

Been nice knowing y'all!!!!

737max · 13-12-2017 02:16PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I've never heard of Ryanair pilots striking before. If it were Aer Lingus again, I'd be much more cynical as with BE and Luas drivers.

You have not heard of IALPA striking? They are the Aer Lingus Union and the strikers are insisting that they represent Ryanair too. So one union will be able to call strikes on the majority of flights going in to and out of Ireland.

Henry Ford III · 13-12-2017 02:18PM

Hang on a sec. These Dublin based directly employed pilots (mainly Captains) are very well paid, and have the same maximum hours as any other airline.

What's the issue?

Billgirlylegs · 13-12-2017 02:23PM

737max wrote: »

The Union has no interest in the interests of the Pilots who once trained up will be highly employable. The Union don't care that other crew will go without pay on those days if the planes don't fly.
The unions wish to capture control of critical infrastructure which is the civil aviation connection to the outside world.
The Pilots are greater fools who are helping them to achieve their ends.

Is this the plot of the new James Bond movie?
"The unions wish to capture control of critical infrastructure which is the civil aviation connection to the outside world"

What do they plan to do with it once they take control?

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:23PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So far, the only arguments you've offered against this are histrionics and soundbytes, ie utter nonsense. If the management shares this attitude which seems likely, fair play to them for striking.

I note no "histrionics" - however I did notice a lot of "not possible", "not possible" coming out. Negotiations have to be two way and from my experience union leaders tend to be dogmatic in the extreme sadly.

737max · 13-12-2017 02:25PM

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

Is this the plot of the new James Bond movie?
"The unions wish to capture control of critical infrastructure which is the civil aviation connection to the outside world"

What do they plan to do with it once they take control?

What do the French Air Traffic Controllers do repeatedly throughout the year, year in, year out, with their control of the French Skies.
They're stronger than the French Government and untouchable.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:28PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Excellent. You obviously support taxpayer expenditure to enable people to take time out to upskill then.

No, I don't.

I'm not in favour of the taxpayer funding any personal whims.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:29PM

737max wrote: »

What do the French Air Traffic Controllers do repeatedly throughout the year, year in, year out, with their control of the French Skies.
They're stronger than the French Government and untouchable.

Which is where we will end up if both airlines are "looked after" by the same union.

kona · 13-12-2017 02:33PM

Some amount of dumb ****s in here. Wonder what jobs they do that have never striked , probably work for **** all on zero hour contracts too.
Nice to see people sticking up for themselves instead of taking it straight up the coco.

737max · 13-12-2017 02:35PM

kona wrote: »

Some amount of dumb ****s in here. Wonder what jobs they do that have never striked , probably work for **** all on zero hour contracts too.
Nice to see people sticking up for themselves instead of taking it straight up the coco.

Console yourself with that when air fares go up and you are stuck on the wretched Island because they are still striking for 4 weeks running.

kona · 13-12-2017 02:37PM

737max wrote: »

Console yourself with that when air fares go up and you are stuck on the wretched Island because they are still striking for 4 weeks running.

You want to fly at 36,000 feet at 500mph safely? You better pay up so.
Theres always the boat. You dont have some constitutional right to either cheap flights or to leave the island by air.

737max · 13-12-2017 02:39PM

kona wrote: »

You want to fly at 36,000 feet at 500mph safely? You better pay up so.
Theres always the boat. You dont have some constitutional right to either cheap flights or to leave the island.

The link between Aviation safety and the requirement for a Unionised staff is completely fallacious.

13-12-2017 02:42PM

kona wrote: »

Some amount of dumb ****s in here. Wonder what jobs they do that have never striked , probably work for **** all on zero hour contracts too.
Nice to see people sticking up for themselves instead of taking it straight up the coco.

I’ve never worked for a company that was unionised. I stuck up for myself by asking for a payrise/better working conditions, or by moving on to greener pastures. What myself or my colleagues didn’t do is throw our toys out of the pram and demand more, and then strike when we didn’t get it. Ridiculous carry on.

Sticking up for themselves would be changing employment

This is dinosaur stuff in 2017

kona · 13-12-2017 02:42PM

737max wrote: »

The link between Aviation safety and the requirement for a Unionised staff is completely fallacious.

I think you will find that it is not. Theres a shortage of pilots to fly them and engineers to fix them. How do you suppose you achieve air safety without these two roles?

Chickens are coming home.to roost for ryanair and their passengers who feel entitled to e20 flights at the detriment of peoples wages and profession.

kona · 13-12-2017 02:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’ve never worked for a company that was unionised. I stuck up for myself by asking for a payrise/better working conditions, or by moving on to greener pastures. What myself or my colleagues didn’t do is throw our toys out of the pram and demand more, and then strike when we didn’t get it. Ridiculous carry on.

Sticking up for themselves would be changing employment

This is dinosaur stuff in 2017

I think ryanair would prefer a strike to pilots leaving in this current climate. Facts are there.

737max · 13-12-2017 02:44PM

kona wrote: »

I think you will find that it is not. Theres a shortage of pilots to fly them and engineers to fix them. How do you suppose you achieve air safety without these two roles?

Chickens are coming home.to roost for ryanair and their passengers who feel entitled to e20 flights at the detriment of peoples wages and profession.

These roles are not being filled by people who are not qualified to fill them. If the planes haven't been maintained professionally they don't fly. If the pilots aren't qualified to pilot the plane the planes don't fly.
You are slandering a company. You are slandering a company with a safety record that is second to none.

kona · 13-12-2017 02:46PM

737max wrote: »

These roles are not being filled by people by people who are not qualified to fill them. If the planes haven't been maintained professionally they don't fly. If the pilots aren't qualified to pilot the plane the planes don't fly.
You are slandering a company.

Facts are there pal. Ryanair ismt actively hunting qualified engineers and pilots so? There was a massive sales pitch from them in dublin airport last month to qualified engineers.
The problem is a worldwide.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:46PM

kona wrote: »

I think you will find that it is not. Theres a shortage of pilots to fly them and engineers to fix them. How do you suppose you achieve air safety without these two roles?

Chickens are coming home.to roost for ryanair and their passengers who feel entitled to e20 flights at the detriment of peoples wages and profession.

Of the 8 flights I have booked in the next few weeks, the cheapest was 29.99 and the most expensive 109.99.

I work hard for these flights. Not on a zero hours btw, and have never been in a union in 29 years.

sbsquarepants · 13-12-2017 02:47PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I've eight flights with them between 18th Dec and 13th Jan!

You sure about that?:D

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:48PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You sure about that?:D

Well, so far yeah!!!!!

737max · 13-12-2017 02:49PM

kona wrote: »

Facts are there pal. Ryanair ismt actively hunting qualified engineers and pilots so? There was a massive sales pitch from them in dublin airport last month to qualified engineers.
The problem is a worldwide.

Post reported. You continue to slander Ryanair suggesting they are unsafe to fly with. You post anonymously but you will get boards.ie in to trouble.

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 02:52PM

737max wrote: »

You have not heard of IALPA striking? They are the Aer Lingus Union and the strikers are insisting that they represent Ryanair too. So one union will be able to call strikes on the majority of flights going in to and out of Ireland.

I've heard of several Aer Lingus strikes alright but never Ryanair hence my inferring that things must be bad, especially given the annual leave debacle of earlier this year.

Keyzer · 13-12-2017 02:55PM

Support them 100% - fúck o'leary and his **** airline.

737max · 13-12-2017 02:56PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I've heard of several Aer Lingus strikes alright but never Ryanair hence my inferring that things must be bad, especially given the annual leave debacle of earlier this year.

Aer Lingus don't strike these days because Ryanair, their biggest competitor in their local markets don't strike and to strike means that the company looses money quarter after quarter endangering the jobs of the union members. If the Union can shut down both Ryanair and Aer Lingus during the same strike action then they will always use strikes as a first resort, not a last resort. The union will become more militant.
The freedom of travel people have enjoyed over the last two decades has come courtesy of the non-unionised airlines keeping the other airline workforces "honest".

Arcade_Tryer · 13-12-2017 02:57PM

737max wrote: »

Post reported. You continue to slander Ryanair suggesting they are unsafe to fly with. You post anonymously but you will get boards.ie in to trouble.

Post reported for stupidity.

Ryanair Pilots put it up to O'Leary

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