Ryanair Pilots put it up to O'Leary

end of the road · 13-12-2017 03:04AM

NIMAN wrote: »

No, thats Luas drivers you're thinking of.

well he did say irish rail and bus eireann. luas drivers would be skilled in their own way as well. they do a very responsible job as well.
but what land transport companies have to do with ryanair is beyond me

diomed · 13-12-2017 03:51AM

Is this still about someone making a mistake with the holiday roster?

end of the road · 13-12-2017 03:58AM

diomed wrote: »

Is this still about someone making a mistake with the holiday roster?

no . it seems to be about pay and conditions in general now.

Junkyard Tom · 13-12-2017 04:07AM

I fully support the right of the pilots to collective bargaining. I also admire Ryanair for helping put air travel within reach of the ordinary working person far more than the extortionate, subsidised by public, airlines like Aer Lingus used to be.

Flying to England once cost a few weeks wages before Ryanair came along. Now you can fly all over Europe for a few hours of minimum wage.

CosmicJay · 13-12-2017 10:38AM

I'm backing O'Leary all the way on this one.

Mainly cause I like the ability to fly to anywhere in Europe for less than the cost of a night out.

I think hes brought cheap travel and holidays to the masses, I couldnt care less if hes an arse most of the time.

I had the pleasure of sitting next to an elderly gentleman on a ryanair flight home last year, he told of me of the times back in the 90's when he used to have to pay 700 punts to fly to Amsterdam with Aer Lingus, now you can do that 60 quid round trip if you book in advance.

I see the unions as a beginning of the end for Ryanair cheapo flights.

13-12-2017 10:43AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

To be fair, the flying public who choose Ryanair don’t give a fiddlers about Ryanair staff. They choose Ryanair because it’s cheap and it’s cheap partly because the conditions for staff are not very good.

By choosing Ryanair people are paying the wages of some of the lowest paid, poorly treated, unprotected staff in the industry. I don’t see for the life of me why Ryanair staff would be sympathetic to the customers who are happy to save their own money at the staffs’ expense.

To be fair, Ryanair staff know the terms and conditions of their employment when they accept their jobs. The bottom line is their wages are paid by their customers.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 11:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, Ryanair staff know the terms and conditions of their employment when they accept their jobs. The bottom line is their wages are paid by their customers.

FINALLY some common sense!!!!

ohnonotgmail · 13-12-2017 11:11AM

end of the road wrote: »

no . it seems to be about pay and conditions in general now.

Is it not about union recognition?

ohnonotgmail · 13-12-2017 11:12AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

To be fair, the flying public who choose Ryanair don’t give a fiddlers about Ryanair staff. They choose Ryanair because it’s cheap and it’s cheap partly because the conditions for staff are not very good.

By choosing Ryanair people are paying the wages of some of the lowest paid, poorly treated, unprotected staff in the industry. I don’t see for the life of me why Ryanair staff would be sympathetic to the customers who are happy to save their own money at the staffs’ expense.

I dont recall Ryanair staff ever acting in a way that could be called sympathetic.

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 11:16AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont recall Ryanair staff ever acting in a way that could be called sympathetic.

I've taken about 400 flights in the last decade and no, never saw this once.

I think it's a myth.

And re the topic - the pilots are okay, deep down but like all unions in this country the union concerned are f***ing poxes.

Wanderer78 · 13-12-2017 11:29AM

CosmicJay wrote:

I think hes brought cheap travel and holidays to the masses, I couldnt care less if hes an arse most of the time.

I wonder has the age of 'increasing worker insecurity' anything to do with the instability in our political systems and institutions? We may have reduced the cost of our products and services, but have we all equally gained from this, particularly financially? Is the continual 'atomisation' of our societies, good for us, or will it increase the chances of our demise? Just some questions to ponder for the day!

737max · 13-12-2017 11:38AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is it not about union recognition?

It is about one single union having the power to shut down both Aer Lingus and Ryanair like a spigot in pursuit of their own interests.
Think of Train or Bus strikes but with Planes and no other practical way of getting on or off the Island.

Adamocovic · 13-12-2017 11:42AM

I understand why they are striking and I'm not necessarily against it....

...but I have my flight booked home for Christmas on the 20th so for greedy personal reasons hope it doesn't go ahead or they just change the date :P

CosmicJay · 13-12-2017 11:43AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I wonder has the age of 'increasing worker insecurity' anything to do with the instability in our political systems and institutions? We may have reduced the cost of our products and services, but have we all equally gained from this, particularly financially? Is the continual 'atomisation' of our societies, good for us, or will it increase the chances of our demise? Just some questions to ponder for the day!

That's something I've been thinking a lot about lately.

Even from 20 years ago the social contract has changed, gone are the days of a job for life, we're now at an economy where people who do not continuously upskill will be left behind.

I don't think anyone is safe from automation. I imagine I'll be out of a job within my lifetime, I'd say fast food workers and train drivers will be one of the first to go.

Where do we go from there, UBI, resource based economy, communism?

The way to keep myself sane at the moment is just enjoy the ride and cheap flights.

I guess the indicators of us hitting the 'second machine' age would be a sharp rise in aggregate productivity and jobs becoming harder to find .

Edit: I thought you said automisation not atomisation. Brain fart.

I wouldn't say politically it's had much of an effect, stress level wise and mental health wise I would imagine its very bad. Constantly wondering what the next paycheck would be.

Tsipras · 13-12-2017 11:51AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I understand why they are striking and I'm not necessarily against it....

...but I have my flight booked home for Christmas on the 20th so for greedy personal reasons hope it doesn't go ahead or they just change the date :P

#MeToo

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 12:47PM

This is basically how Unions are supposed to work. Fair play to them for having the neck to stand up to him and it could all have been avoided if he'd just bothered to show them some basic courtesy and respect to begin with.

13-12-2017 01:12PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Well I'm just saying, if they ruined my plans to get home for Xmas, they wouldn't be receiving any support from me.

Wow, this is really how people feel about employees trying to fix problems, concerned about getting home, ok I understand people want to get home, but badly enough that they are prepared to help $hit all over someone who is trying to improve their lot. Really, when else do you expect them to strike?

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, Ryanair staff know the terms and conditions of their employment when they accept their jobs. The bottom line is their wages are paid by their customers.

Christ, no wonder we will never get people even worse off sorted, so long as everyone can have access to their cheap benefits, I like cheap flights, Id be miffed if I couldnt get home, although you can never really 100% rely on any flight home, even if there wasnt a strike, any kind of delay would mean you might wont get a connecting ryanair flight.
Would I see whats happening and think, fcuk them, me me me. So long as I had somewhere to stay and food to eat, communication with my family. Ryanair isn't unionised and I know what thats like in a company that is prepared to undermine employees rights.
Id be less sympathetic if this was bus eireann or ianroaid eireann as they are heavily unionised, where their rights seem to be strongly protected but a lot of their staff seem to have a flair for inefficiency.

13-12-2017 01:19PM

Striking is not the way to “improve your lot”
Applying for roles with other companies is how you do that
If every company’s employees striked to “improve their” lot the world would be in chaos

But now it’s the selfish few who hold the country to ransom

Wanderer78 · 13-12-2017 01:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Striking is not the way to “improve your lot”
Applying for roles with other companies is how you do that
If every company’s employees striked to “improve their” lot the world would be in chaos

But now it’s the selfish few who hold the country to ransom

you probably should look into white collar criminology and ask, who really is holding our countries to ransom!

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 01:26PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you probably should look into white collar criminology and ask, who really is holding our countries to ransom!

I keep forgetting to blame the bankers!!!

I must set a reminder.

Wanderer78 · 13-12-2017 01:28PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I keep forgetting to blame the bankers!!!

I must set a reminder.

please do, always good. banks dont commit crimes, bankers do, as somebody such as bill black would say

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 01:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Striking is not the way to “improve your lot”
Applying for roles with other companies is how you do that
If every company’s employees striked to “improve their” lot the world would be in chaos.

It's not the pilots' fault the CEO is a twit. They're right to do this IMO as Ryanair looks like a horrible company to work for.

Deleted User wrote: »

But now it’s the selfish few who hold the country to ransom

Is the whole country flying that day?

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 01:56PM

I wonder how much support is there for the workers - and how much is based on a hatred for O'Leary ?

keith_sixteen · 13-12-2017 02:00PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

This strike is not about wages.

13-12-2017 02:03PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

looks like a horrible company to work for.

Look for a new job like everyone else

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is the whole country flying that day?

No, but people from every corner of Ireland will be affected

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:03PM

keith_sixteen wrote: »

This strike is not about wages.

They're always about wages.

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Look for a new job like everyone else

And if that's not an option?

PeterParker957 · 13-12-2017 02:06PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

And if that's not an option?

Make it an option.

Upskill.

Apply to a different company.

Wanderer78 · 13-12-2017 02:07PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Make it an option.

Upskill.

Apply to a different company.

what if these also arent an option?

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 02:08PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Make it an option.

Upskill.

Apply to a different company.

Excellent. You obviously support taxpayer expenditure to enable people to take time out to upskill then.

Ryanair Pilots put it up to O'Leary

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