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WW XXI: Christmas Chaos!

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  • #302
    Gabriel WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Gabriel WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Also, FFAs on day 1? Pfft. I barely suspect anyone, let alone 3 people. Pile of hogwash.

    One thing it MIGHT do is get better discussion, but.... I'm always conscious a roled good player can get misconstrued as bad in their efforts to hide their abilities. As a result they may find themselves at the top of the FFA list where they have to reveal or die. Bad idea as I said.

    Also, role claims day 1? FFS. Next someone will be outing themselves on day 0 with their first post.

    A good player could get misconstrued that way regardless and in the likes of a blind vote get killed without having a chance to defend themselves. I think it's always good to have some structure to lynches as it reduces that risk. Sure a baddie can role claim to get off but would most likely be found out this early


  • #303
    Barbara WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Barbara WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Also, FFAs on day 1? Pfft. I barely suspect anyone, let alone 3 people. Pile of hogwash.

    One thing it MIGHT do is get better discussion, but.... I'm always conscious a roled good player can get misconstrued as bad in their efforts to hide their abilities. As a result they may find themselves at the top of the FFA list where they have to reveal or die. Bad idea as I said.

    Also, role claims day 1? FFS. Next someone will be outing themselves on day 0 with their first post.

    Whats the alternative though? We need to collate some vote data in the event mods reveal voting results. We need to know who is voting for who before or at lynch time.


  • #304
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Gabriel WW wrote: »
    A good player could get misconstrued that way regardless and in the likes of a blind vote get killed without having a chance to defend themselves. I think it's always good to have some structure to lynches as it reduces that risk. Sure a baddie can role claim to get off but would most likely be found out this early

    Oh a blind vote is equally as awful an idea. I just think FFAs give wolves a place to hide with 'safe' targets for selection.

    I can think of 5 such 'safe' targets off the top of my head right now which wouldn't cast much suspicion. Same 5 I wouldn't really be that suspicious of right now tbh.

    In absence of that I'll be voting with my gut. Two choices, want to hear more from one before I make a decision either way.


  • #305
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Barbara WW wrote: »
    Whats the alternative though? We need to collate some vote data in the event mods reveal voting results. We need to know who is voting for who before or at lynch time.

    We'll presumably know with the results. Could just have people declare on thread who they will be voting for. Then we can notice any discrepancies or hints of bandwagons.

    So a shortened FFA. 1 person.


  • #306
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Have to say though I do like the proposed idea of letting the seer peek the lower posters while we as a village concentrate on the mid to high ones.


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  • #307
    Barbara WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Barbara WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    We'll presumably know with the results. Could just have people declare on thread who they will be voting for. Then we can notice any discrepancies or hints of bandwagons.

    So a shortened FFA. 1 person.

    I do get what you're saying.

    The good thing about FFA with 3, is it can get dialogue going with players on the list. I mean, you can have a number 1 target but throw another two in there to get a better read on players, you can still vote for your number 1. I wouldn't say we race the top 2 or 3 from all the FFAs, people can vote separately, but having 3 targets give us better data as the game goes on.


  • #308
    Isla WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Isla WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Have to say though I do like the proposed idea of letting the seer peek the lower posters while we as a village concentrate on the mid to high ones.

    At least with the higher ones we have something to work on. Plus they could potentially spot a wolf early and save us a lot of hassle as the quiet posters are never the first lynched unless they act odd.


  • #309
    Steve WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Steve WW


    We could post the hash of our FFA before the lynch, the after the lynch reveal our ffa's. That way the wolves will not be able to use our ffas against us but players can't lie about there ffas.

    *a hash is a non reversible code that will identify the texts authenticity and will prove it was wrote before the lynch.


  • #310
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Isla WW wrote: »
    At least with the higher ones we have something to work on. Plus they could potentially spot a wolf early and save us a lot of hassle as the quiet posters are never the first lynched unless they act odd.

    Yep. It's actually quite brilliant. Post and let us get a read on you or be peeked. Simples. A strategy that should be employed in each game to encourage participation. Problem is the lazy villagers will just ignore that and muddy the waters, but you can't have it every which way I guess

    Btw, no response to me calling you the queen of fluff?


  • #311
    Jake WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭Jake WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Have to say though I do like the proposed idea of letting the seer peek the lower posters while we as a village concentrate on the mid to high ones.
    Steve WW wrote: »
    We could post the hash of our FFA before the lynch, the after the lynch reveal our ffa's. That way the wolves will not be able to use our ffas against us but players can't lie about there ffas.

    *a hash is a non reversible code that will identify the texts authenticity and will prove it was wrote before the lynch.

    These are both great ideas and i will gladly support either or both.


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  • #312
    Steve WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Steve WW


    Barbara WW wrote: »
    I do get what you're saying.

    The good thing about FFA with 3, is it can get dialogue going with players on the list. I mean, you can have a number 1 target but throw another two in there to get a better read on players, you can still vote for your number 1. I wouldn't say we race the top 2 or 3 from all the FFAs, people can vote separately, but having 3 targets give us better data as the game goes on.

    On this, when you are doing an FFA, your number 1 suspect does not, and probably shouldn't be the first you put in the list. slot 1 2 and 3 are all just as likely to be your number 1 choice. you have to keep them guessing.


  • #313
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Steve WW wrote: »
    We could post the hash of our FFA before the lynch, the after the lynch reveal our ffa's. That way the wolves will not be able to use our ffas against us but players can't lie about there ffas.

    *a hash is a non reversible code that will identify the texts authenticity and will prove it was wrote before the lynch.

    So essentially provide the reasons for the persons but not the names. This I could get on board with.


  • #314
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Seer peeks low for a couple of days, example day 3. When they have something or things, they tell us. Any low posters still not contributing at that time who have been peeked as good get lynched or killed by us as a village.

    Too many realities we've wound up with the low posters who haven't read the thread properly at end game. That's all I'm going to say on low posters as I don't want to fixate on them too much. Let the seer do that for us.


  • #315
    Isla WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Isla WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Yep. It's actually quite brilliant. Post and let us get a read on you or be peeked. Simples. A strategy that should be employed in each game to encourage participation. Problem is the lazy villagers will just ignore that and muddy the waters, but you can't have it every which way I guess

    Btw, no response to me calling you the queen of fluff?

    I thought I had responded but now realize that I was responding to the Steve line that drew that comment from you. tbh I've been honest saying I don't really have much suspicion of anyone right now. Despite not accusing people I have been posting which you do seem to encourage and yeah I wish I had spotted more odd activity from others yet but to be honest we are very early into this game. I'm not even sure that any task has been done but thats partially because the OP always throws me in the way it states that the game starts with the wolf attack and well nothing has really stood out or been triggered since then.

    I guess it isn't always that smart though to respond to multiple things on such an issue as posting fluff but I also understand this is the point in the game where little things like that are said to see how people respond.

    One thing about this game so far given that most have responded is that I don't think we will get too many just having a laugh and being blatant in their wolfy activity as nobody is standingout as much as times gone by


  • #316
    Angus WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭Angus WW


    I've got two names I'm bouncing between but, as others are saying...not going to post those two names just year.


  • #317
    Gabriel WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Gabriel WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Yep. It's actually quite brilliant. Post and let us get a read on you or be peeked. Simples. A strategy that should be employed in each game to encourage participation. Problem is the lazy villagers will just ignore that and muddy the waters, but you can't have it every which way I guess

    Btw, no response to me calling you the queen of fluff?

    Yup and as Isla said low posters rarely get lynched which has the added benefit of the seers peeks most likely being alive when they come out so even if they are all nrv item being alive gives the village a greater ratio of knows to unkowns


  • #318
    Steve WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Steve WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    So essentially provide the reasons for the persons but not the names. This I could get on board with.

    No, it includes it all,

    you post ..
    73c65da3b0042e392011910de83df8e2

    then after the lynch you post
    "ffa1 somebody here
    ffa2 somebody else with really inspiring reasons
    ffa3 Special note about line endings: Mac/Unix and Windows use different codes to separate lines. The tool on this page normalizes all line endings to a Line Feed (\n). Other tools are available online if you need hashes specifically with Windows line endings"


    Then people can go to http://www.miraclesalad.com/webtools/md5.php

    and copy the text between the ""'s and get the hash back. If it is not the same hash, we caught a lier.


  • #319
    Barbara WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭Barbara WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Seer peeks low for a couple of days, example day 3. When they have something or things, they tell us. Any low posters still not contributing at that time who have been peeked as good get lynched or killed by us as a village.

    Too many realities we've wound up with the low posters who haven't read the thread properly at end game. That's all I'm going to say on low posters as I don't want to fixate on them too much. Let the seer do that for us.

    Not sure I can endorse this, why lynch those peeked good? Even if they are not contributing much, they still count as villagers, unless you are implying they could be the wolf who peeks as good?


  • #320
    Tegan WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Tegan WW


    The seer should go with their gut. What happens if they peek a low poster who turns out bad but because everyone else is concentrating on the louder posters, bringing this to our attention would mean giving their role away.

    It’s info they’d have to keep till they reveal without any hints at said baddie.


  • #321
    Isla WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Isla WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    So essentially provide the reasons for the persons but not the names. This I could get on board with.


    This really needs to happen. Villages should never follow people just throwing names out there. If people have to at least say why they put someone on their list of 3, Wolves might find it more difficult to steer us away from one of their own.


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  • #322
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Just on the tasks that keep getting mentioned. I don't think there are tasks, per se. There might be triggers, sure. But I'm not looking out for tasks or even bringing them up again. It could be a distraction technique.

    I will say the village seems to be mobilising in a coherent form on day 1. That is a massive bonus.


  • #323
    Gabriel WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Gabriel WW


    Steve I'm a little lost but using tools outside the remit of the game is probably a no no tbh


  • #324
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Barbara WW wrote: »
    Not sure I can endorse this, why lynch those peeked good? Even if they are not contributing much, they still count as villagers, unless you are implying they could be the wolf who peeks as good?

    Cos we have an evil who peeks as good. Otherwise I wouldn't endorse it myself. Alpha can hide in the lower echelons and appear good, seer comes out, reveals said alpha as good... you get my point.


  • #325
    Gabriel WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Gabriel WW


    Tegan WW wrote: »
    The seer should go with their gut. What happens if they peek a low poster who turns out bad but because everyone else is concentrating on the louder posters, bringing this to our attention would mean giving their role away.

    It’s info they’d have to keep till they reveal without any hints at said baddie.

    So don't peek low posters as God forbid you peak a wolf?


  • #326
    Isla WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Isla WW


    Tegan WW wrote: »
    The seer should go with their gut. What happens if they peek a low poster who turns out bad but because everyone else is concentrating on the louder posters, bringing this to our attention would mean giving their role away.

    It’s info they’d have to keep till they reveal without any hints at said baddie.

    Normally I would be against a role reveal but if they had to do so to allow us to def get a Wolf then why not given how few in number they seem to be.

    However that does make me think there have to a few roles not mentioned in the OP at least.


  • #327
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Steve WW wrote: »
    No, it includes it all,

    you post ..
    73c65da3b0042e392011910de83df8e2

    then after the lynch you post
    "ffa1 somebody here
    ffa2 somebody else with really inspiring reasons
    ffa3 Special note about line endings: Mac/Unix and Windows use different codes to separate lines. The tool on this page normalizes all line endings to a Line Feed (\n). Other tools are available online if you need hashes specifically with Windows line endings"


    Then people can go to http://www.miraclesalad.com/webtools/md5.php

    and copy the text between the ""'s and get the hash back. If it is not the same hash, we caught a lier.

    Love the premise of the idea but probably not permitted. Would need mod clarification before we went down that road.


  • #328
    Gabriel WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Gabriel WW


    Conor WW wrote: »
    Cos we have an evil who peeks as good. Otherwise I wouldn't endorse it myself. Alpha can hide in the lower echelons and appear good, seer comes out, reveals said alpha as good... you get my point.

    That's a good point actually....


  • #329
    Isla WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Isla WW


    Seer should only come out if they peek someone evil imo. If Spike can appear as good I wouldn't reveal myself just to confirm someone is good anyway


  • #330
    Conor WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Conor WW


    Tegan WW wrote: »
    The seer should go with their gut. What happens if they peek a low poster who turns out bad but because everyone else is concentrating on the louder posters, bringing this to our attention would mean giving their role away.

    It’s info they’d have to keep till they reveal without any hints at said baddie.

    Seer should absolutely go with their gut. But we're giving them a target list, up to them which one they want to peek obviously.


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  • #331
    Tegan WW
    Forum Games Player Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Tegan WW


    Gabriel WW wrote: »
    So don't peek low posters as God forbid you peak a wolf?

    That’s not what I meant. If everyone apart from the seer is questioning louder posters, how would it look for just one person to start questioning a low poster out of nowhere? Baddies will have the seer handed to them on a plate.

    By all means peek the lows but as a village we have to question everyone


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