Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

Mr.Micro · 08-12-2017 04:16PM

Water John wrote: »

Not advocating any such similar solution, but Caesar didn't last long. Comparisons are risky.

Stabbed in the back by his friends lol. Et tu Brutus

Water John · 08-12-2017 04:18PM

Who are you casting as Casca? The first to wield the knife, Flynn? 'The one of lean and hungry looks'.

seamus · 08-12-2017 04:23PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Because it's a cult - I know that sounded a bit dramatic initially, but it's all there is to it. Something else I've saying for ages is that because it's a cult, Trump or the GOP could come out and openly support Russian stances over American, and the lemmings would still vote for them.

This is exactly it. It's the "God is good" logic twist.

"The Republicans are good, therefore anything the Republicans do is good by definition."

Partisan politics has been so ingrained into the US that these people may be actually incapable of considering any other political point of view.

Mr.Micro · 08-12-2017 04:28PM

Water John wrote: »

Who are you casting as Casca? The first to wield the knife, Flynn? 'The one of lean and hungry looks'.

He fits alright. Now we need a friend, as Brutus. Maybe he does not have any?

If Flynn had told the Russians that sanctions were going to be dropped when Don got in, I don't get why the Russians are not so annoyed that all the hard work has come to nothing. Why then have the Russians not dropped Don in it?

Tell me how · 08-12-2017 04:39PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

He fits alright. Now we need a friend, as Brutus. Maybe he does not have any?

Paul Ryan. He has supported him with gritted teeth over the last 10 months largely I expect, to keep himself relevant for future bid of his own for the office. The microsecond he feels he cannot gain from continuing to do this, he'll pull out a knife he has ready and waiting.

mcmoustache · 08-12-2017 05:55PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

He fits alright. Now we need a friend, as Brutus. Maybe he does not have any?

If Flynn had told the Russians that sanctions were going to be dropped when Don got in, I don't get why the Russians are not so annoyed that all the hard work has come to nothing. Why then have the Russians not dropped Don in it?

There's still the matter of the bipartisan Russia Sanctions bill from the Summer which still hasn't been implemented for some reason.

aloyisious · 08-12-2017 06:02PM

Don has [via DOJ] gone to the courts seeking an emergency injunction to block the transgender directive written under Barak Obama, which the courts have told him [Don] must be complied with, taking effect in 26 days time on Jan 1st 2018. It says: “Defendants request that the Court stay the portion of its preliminary injunction requiring Defendants to begin accessing transgender individuals into the military on January 1, 2018, pending a decision by the D.C. Circuit on Defendants’ appeal.

The DOD has been affirmative towrds the directive [as part of U.S. law] planning ways to activate it in line with the court orders. Hell, even his top military brass have told Don they are not fazed by it.

It seem's to me Don is hell-bent on splitting the U.S. apart as the main, if not only, aim of his administration, determined to be the most divisive and hated U.S. president ever by bringing sanctions against his own citizens.

Billy86 · 08-12-2017 06:09PM

aloyisious wrote: »

...It seem's to me Don is hell-bent on splitting the U.S. apart as the main, if not only, aim of his administration...

Why I can't think of a single foreign entity that would be absolutely dead set on that occurring to offset sanctions put against them, and future sanctions they would want someone in the WH to do all they could to ignore.

Nea, couldn't think any at all.

aloyisious · 08-12-2017 07:58PM

Finished watching Futurama, channel-hopped to CNN to hear Don is going to Mississippi on Sat to open a Civil Rights era museum while he's still endorsing Roy Moore, who's quote from the past has come back to haunt him "America was great when we had slavery" about the family and fellow-feelings......

Don's just sworn in his new Secretary of Homeland Security, the last resigning to take up a post in NYC, on live TV, after which the W/H press corp were told to leave the room while the cameras were left rolling recording the event, preventing the corp from asking Don questions.

CNN taking a walk through Flynn's history now, through ex-colleagues.

Water John · 08-12-2017 08:36PM

The full Flynn docu is on later. 10pm Eastern time. Mainly looking at Flynn alt view incl 'Flynn Facts'.

Tell me how · 08-12-2017 08:46PM

Fox News reporting that Moore accuser had admitted adding her own notes in the yearbook which was used as evidence of his interactions with her, below the part which she says he signed.

Fox News

Their narrative is clear, "you didn't tell us about this before, how can we believe anything you said".

I expect Moore to be elected on Monday.

Hande hoche! · 08-12-2017 09:25PM

If Moore gets in, wouldn't surprise me if Franken tries to hang on.

PopePalpatine · 08-12-2017 09:38PM

Beverley Young Nelson added only the date and location of Moore's signing, but you can bet your ass the Churches Of The Red Letter "R" and The Cartoon Frog don't care about that part.

wes · 08-12-2017 10:09PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Fox News reporting that Moore accuser had admitted adding her own notes in the yearbook which was used as evidence of his interactions with her, below the part which she says he signed.

Fox News

Their narrative is clear, "you didn't tell us about this before, how can we believe anything you said".

I expect Moore to be elected on Monday.

They deleted a tweet that claimed she engaged in forgery. Looks like Moore will probably win. The US is a joke at this point. This is 3rd banana republic level stuff at this point.

Itssoeasy · 08-12-2017 10:24PM

wes wrote: »

They deleted a tweet that claimed she engaged in forgery. Looks like Moore will probably win. The US is a joke at this point. This is 3rd banana republic level stuff at this point.

The US media isn't fake news like Donald trump says, but there's been some amount of corrections issued by many news organisation lately. The race to get a story out is leading to very sloppy news. The story may be real but by having to correct something, you are giving trumps base the ammo to shout fake news.

Although given Fox and their track record of making stuff up it wouldn't surprise me if they knew what they were doing and were waiting to issue a correction.

Noel82 · 08-12-2017 11:21PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The US media isn't fake news like Donald trump says, but there's been some amount of corrections issued by many news organisation lately.

Another one today

https://www.mediaite.com/online/wapo-cnn-misreported-wikileaks-providing-trump-access-to-email-tranche/

"New information suggests that CNN’s recent report on the Trump campaign having early access to WikiLeaks’ trove of documents is inaccurate. Earlier today, CNN said that Congressional investigators obtained an email that was sent last year to President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and other senior company officials.

The email reportedly contained tools that would allow users to get an early look at the hacked information Wikileaks released during the last months of the 2016 election.
However, Washington Post reports that CNN got the email dates wrong, and the decryption key would’ve only led Trump officials to information that was already publicly available. CNN says the email was sent on September 4, though WaPo says it was sent on September 14, a day after the documents in question were released."

wes · 09-12-2017 01:11AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The US media isn't fake news like Donald trump says, but there's been some amount of corrections issued by many news organisation lately. The race to get a story out is leading to very sloppy news. The story may be real but by having to correct something, you are giving trumps base the ammo to shout fake news.

Although given Fox and their track record of making stuff up it wouldn't surprise me if they knew what they were doing and were waiting to issue a correction.

Your right about all the corrections, but I think most of them deserve the benefit of the doubt. Your right in that any mistake will be used by Trump supporters to cry fake news. Having said that, I don't think it make much difference, as amongst the right in the US at this point, anything other than Fox and there ilk is completely ignored.

Fox on the other hand (same goes for any part of Murdochs news empire) doesn't deserve that courtesy. There pure propaganda at this point. Only marginally better than Breitbart and Infowars.

aloyisious · 09-12-2017 01:23AM

Noel82 wrote: »

Another one today

https://www.mediaite.com/online/wapo-cnn-misreported-wikileaks-providing-trump-access-to-email-tranche/

"New information suggests that CNN’s recent report on the Trump campaign having early access to WikiLeaks’ trove of documents is inaccurate. Earlier today, CNN said that Congressional investigators obtained an email that was sent last year to President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and other senior company officials.

The email reportedly contained tools that would allow users to get an early look at the hacked information Wikileaks released during the last months of the 2016 election.
However, Washington Post reports that CNN got the email dates wrong, and the decryption key would’ve only led Trump officials to information that was already publicly available. CNN says the email was sent on September 4, though WaPo says it was sent on September 14, a day after the documents in question were released."

So with the words [suggest] [contained tools] [decryption key] included in the above, it's suggestible that there is enough there to make things about the email as clear as fog to any reader.

Samaris · 09-12-2017 11:12AM

Fundamental failing of the 24hr news cycle. It's been a bad thing for the quality of media and with the sort of pressures that have gradually built up, it's no wonder that this will happen.

Journalists are now expected to be talking heads, "media personalities" constantly updating twitter feeds and other "social media presence", churning out new copy constantly. Harder and more in-depth stories require more time and work and cuts down on the quantity (and those all important clicks).

Couple this now with an outrageously corrupt and incompetant government to hold to account, lead by people that would lie about what day it was, contradictory and insane-troll-logic decisions and communication, plus dumpings of sheer rubbish and it is not really surprising that retractions end up being made.

Of course, if the mouth-foamers would stop and think about it for a moment, they might appreciate that responsible media admits and clarifies mistakes unlike the WH.

Professor Moriarty · 09-12-2017 12:14PM

So we have arrived at this point. A POTUS, at a rally supporting a bible thumping, far right candidate uses his speech to mock and denigrate a woman (one of five women who accuse the candidate of sexual assault) who states that the candidate sexually assaulted her.

The really depressing part of all of this is that the crowd cheered his speech.

markodaly · 09-12-2017 01:28PM

Samaris wrote: »

Fundamental failing of the 24hr news cycle. It's been a bad thing for the quality of media and with the sort of pressures that have gradually built up, it's no wonder that this will happen.

Media in an industry first and foremost. Its objective is to make money. Fear is a good way of getting people paranoid about 'others'. We saw it when Obama got elected, there was a lot of fear being pushed by the likes of Foxnews. Obama is a Islamic communist who wants to destroy America. That was the narrative being pushed. It got them ratings, viewers and made them money.

We are seeing a similar thing here with Trump, with CNN notably taking over the mantle of Fox. Trump is a Nazi who will be shortly putting people into camps. People literally think the US is turning into the "Handmaid's Tail", which of course is nuts.

The thing with this though it becomes very hard to un-attach yourself from it and try and look at things objectively, through the noise that is generated from the internet and all these media outlets, because if you let it, it will take you like a 50ft wave churn, you around like a washing machine and wash you up on a beach a shivering, quivering wreck afraid of everything.

Water John · 09-12-2017 03:19PM

Didn't take you to be a disciple of Chomsky. BTW CNN isn't dependent on advertising. I haven't heard anyone on it refer to DT as a Nazi?
The coin doesn't have Fox on one side and CNN on the other.

Itssoeasy · 09-12-2017 03:27PM

So how exactly is Donald trump Jr claiming attorney client privilege for a meeting between himself and his father ? There were attorneys in the room but all the commentary says that doesn't count as the privilege don jr is trying to use involves a client and an attorney one on one.

It's amazing this family and this administration will try anything to get out of answering questions. Is the saying you don't have to think if you're telling the truth ?

Doltanian · 09-12-2017 05:36PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So we have arrived at this point. A POTUS, at a rally supporting a bible thumping, far right candidate uses his speech to mock and denigrate a woman (one of five women who accuse the candidate of sexual assault) who states that the candidate sexually assaulted her.

The really depressing part of all of this is that the crowd cheered his speech.

Ant that is what makes America great, you can hold an opinion irregardless of what it and voice it, wheras in this country anyone who goes against the hardleft antifa marxist agenda is slurred, denigrated and defamed by the leftwing. Given the choice between the left and the alternative I'll pick the alternative everytime.

Professor Moriarty · 09-12-2017 05:44PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Ant that is what makes America great, you can hold an opinion irregardless of what it and voice it, wheras in this country anyone who goes against the hardleft antifa marxist agenda is slurred, denigrated and defamed by the leftwing. Given the choice between the left and the alternative I'll pick the alternative everytime.

If you think America is "great" today, then there isn't a whole lot more to be said.

markodaly · 09-12-2017 05:45PM

Water John wrote: »

Didn't take you to be a disciple of Chomsky. BTW CNN isn't dependent on advertising. I haven't heard anyone on it refer to DT as a Nazi?
The coin doesn't have Fox on one side and CNN on the other.

Chomsky would have some interesting ideas but he is too idealogical and is as much as a hypocrite as Trump in many regards.

The whole thing about CNN and Fox and most media of that nature (I would lump in large online organisations like vox, buzzfeed, huffreport, breitbart) is that they generally do not say the explicit words "Trump is a Nazi" or "Obama is an Islamist" but subtly apply in other ways that they are.

For example, they may do a piece on American Nazi's in the 1930's, mention that Trump's Dad was arrested at one, tie it today about Trumps anti-migration laws and the rise of the alt-right and neo Nazi's. Its a not so subtle way to say, Trump is a Nazi. Fox were doing the same thing when Obama was in the WH. Swap in Islamist, Socialist or Communist for Nazi and follow the same method, where you get the impression that Obama is one of those pejoratives.

pitifulgod · 09-12-2017 05:47PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Ant that is what makes America great, you can hold an opinion irregardless of what it and voice it, wheras in this country anyone who goes against the hardleft antifa marxist agenda is slurred, denigrated and defamed by the leftwing. Given the choice between the left and the alternative I'll pick the alternative everytime.

Making America Great Again by praising sexual predators is pretty problematic from any perspective.

PopePalpatine · 09-12-2017 06:46PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Making America Great Again by praising sexual predators is pretty problematic from any perspective.

You give the alt-right too much credit.

BabyCheeses · 09-12-2017 09:07PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Ant that is what makes America great, you can hold an opinion irregardless of what it and voice it, wheras in this country anyone who goes against the hardleft antifa marxist agenda is slurred, denigrated and defamed by the leftwing. Given the choice between the left and the alternative I'll pick the alternative everytime.

If being against paedophilia makes a person antifa then there would be a lot of them in this country.

SkepticQuark · 09-12-2017 09:10PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Ant that is what makes America great, you can hold an opinion irregardless of what it and voice it, wheras in this country anyone who goes against the hardleft antifa marxist agenda is slurred, denigrated and defamed by the leftwing. Given the choice between the left and the alternative I'll pick the alternative everytime.

What makes America great is a percentage of the populace supporting a person accused of being a pedo while simultaneously screaming about those damn liburl child molesters and sexual assaulters like Spacey or Franken? I won't even begin to comment on your delusional rant about "hardleft antifa marxist" as if it's a common position in Ireland.... You probably can't even tell us what Antifa is and what a Marxist is.... There is no political party in the Dail that come close to the fringe left, Solidarty might be the closest you get but they aren't supporting people who want to "patrol" around towns with guns to prevent fascists from taking over....

Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

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