Once great brands ...... now junk.

Hotblack Desiato · 29-11-2017 09:46AM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

The rest of the world stayed with the new coke formula right up to today.

New coke never made it outside of the US.

Branding is a funny thing. I remember when we ordered a new (rented) Bush TV, what came out of the box was a Murphy, its sister brand. My dad was raging even though it was the same TV from the same factory, literally the only difference was the badge.

British Leyland in the 60s/70s was big into badge engineering, they even maintained the pretence for years that Austin and Morris were entirely separate makes with separate dealer networks, etc, even though all of the cars launched post-merger differed only in the badge. Until they moved away from that strategy with the wonderful Allegro and Marina...

Avatar MIA · 29-11-2017 10:00AM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Dell haven't gotten out of the PC business, they still market a wide range of PC's and laptops, primarily aimed at business customers in the west (using one right now) and they sell a lot of (pretty crap) consumer pc's and laptops in China.

What I meant was that once it was everything, now it's only a small division.

SuperS54 · 29-11-2017 10:53AM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

What I meant was that once it was everything, now it's only a small division.

Think it's more than a small division based on their wiki entry for 2016;

Current operations
Approximately 50% of the company's revenue is derived in the United States.

Dell operates under 3 divisions as follows:

Dell Client Solutions Group (60% of 2016 revenues) – produces desktop PCs, notebooks, tablets, and peripherals, such as monitors, printers, and projectors under the Dell brand name

Dell EMC Infrastructure Solutions Group (35% of 2016 revenues) – storage solutions

VMware (5% of 2016 revenues) – a publicly traded company focused on virtualization and cloud infrastructure

Dell also owns 4 separate businesses: RSA, Pivotal Software, SecureWorks, and Boomi, Inc.

Avatar MIA · 29-11-2017 11:04AM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Think it's more than a small division based on their wiki entry for 2016;

Current operations
Approximately 50% of the company's revenue is derived in the United States.

Dell operates under 3 divisions as follows:

Dell Client Solutions Group (60% of 2016 revenues) – produces desktop PCs, notebooks, tablets, and peripherals, such as monitors, printers, and projectors under the Dell brand name

Dell EMC Infrastructure Solutions Group (35% of 2016 revenues) – storage solutions

VMware (5% of 2016 revenues) – a publicly traded company focused on virtualization and cloud infrastructure

Dell also owns 4 separate businesses: RSA, Pivotal Software, SecureWorks, and Boomi, Inc.

Yes, I was including the 4 separate businesses. I was at a meeting in Dell a couple of weeks back and they see themselves as 7 businesses.

Ubbquittious · 29-11-2017 11:12AM

AEG - Sold their consumer goods brand to some cute hoor with a PC who just sits in his office ordering Chinese sh1t from Alibaba and reselling it while he runs said brandname into the ground.

Same for Russel Hobbs - these lads used to have actual real life factories in the UK producing actual physical goods. Now it's just an office some place that orders in tack from various unheard of Chinese manufacturers

Ubbquittious · 29-11-2017 11:13AM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Bahco once made the finest saw blades and wrenches, top class Swedish steel. Now their stuff is made in Argentina and the quality is rubbish.

On the electronics front, are FujitsuTen still making anything? They had a good name in car stereo back in the mid 80's

I bought a Bahco 8072 not terribly long ago and it was made in Spain, have they moved again?

cantdecide · 29-11-2017 11:18AM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I bought a Bahco 8072 not terribly long ago and it was made in Spain, have they moved again?

A 'thumb-seeking-nut-f*cker'?

seamus · 29-11-2017 11:25AM

SuperS54 wrote: »

Dell haven't gotten out of the PC business, they still market a wide range of PC's and laptops, primarily aimed at business customers in the west (using one right now) and they sell a lot of (pretty crap) consumer pc's and laptops in China.

To be fair to Dell, they've managed to go the opposite way. In the 2000's I would have regarded them as bloated, slow, shoddily designed, expensive pieces of crap and advised anyone not to buy one - especially as a home PC.

Since the consumer PC market has been annihilated, the quality of what they produce has improved immensely and prices have actually come down.

Nekarsulm · 29-11-2017 11:37AM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I bought a Bahco 8072 not terribly long ago and it was made in Spain, have they moved again?

They are now a worldwide group, I think it's based in Spain, but I have spanners of theirs that are made in Argentina. It's a direct copy of a genuine Swedish wrench I have, but poorer quality. The wall of the ring is far thicker in the Argentinian one, indicating (to me anyway) that they are substituting more metal to replace higher quality metal.

MarcusP12 · 29-11-2017 11:45AM

Karsini wrote: »

Maybe not in more recent times but in the 70s they made some good stuff. We had a Bush TV for about 25 years.

I think we possibly had one too but can't be sure! To be fair, I was probably thinking more about Alba in my post and from say the 90's on when I became more brand conscious....

storker · 29-11-2017 11:48AM

red sean wrote: »

Zanussi. Once advertised as "The appliance of science". Now complete crap!

Along with Hotpoint & Whirlpool. Our next dishwasher will be a Siemens. The current Hotpoint is very unreliable. Our Hotpoint washing machine is running OK, but I got a glance at the guts behind the control board once when doing a repair on the program selector knob, and I got a shock at how flimsy and barely-hanging-together the whole assembly was.

We bought into the Dyson hype for a long time too. No more. All the Dyson vacuum cleaners in the Storker extended family have needed frequent repair/replacement or lack power, or are bad designed e.g. the stairs hose in the upright.

storker · 29-11-2017 11:49AM

Seagate Backup Exec.

(Actually pretty much anything taken over by Symantec)

29-11-2017 11:58AM

storker wrote: »

Seagate Backup Exec.

(Actually pretty much anything taken over by Symantec)

Oh my god yes! Symantec wrecked it in Backup Exec 2012 and then never bothered to update it for Server 2012 until about two years after the OS was released!

29-11-2017 11:59AM

storker wrote: »

Along with Hotpoint & Whirlpool. Our next dishwasher will be a Siemens. The current Hotpoint is very unreliable. Our Hotpoint washing machine is running OK, but I got a glance at the guts behind the control board once when doing a repair on the program selector knob, and I got a shock at how flimsy and barely-hanging-together the whole assembly was.

Not to mention the firetrap dryers they made for the last 15-odd years.

artanevilla · 29-11-2017 12:00PM

Well I'm not ever buying anything anymore anyway.

Sky King · 29-11-2017 12:03PM

storker wrote: »

Our next dishwasher will be a Siemens.

We bought into the Dyson hype for a long time too. No more. All the Dyson vacuum cleaners in the Storker extended family have needed frequent repair/replacement or lack power, or are bad designed e.g. the stairs hose in the upright.

Bosch white goods for the win.

Also I never bought into the gimmicky ****e of Dyson. All marketing and no substance. Professional cleaning companies never seem to use them in my experience and that's enough for me.

CruelCoin · 29-11-2017 12:06PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Any others spring to mind?

Nokia.

Who in the **** is going to buy a "Microsoft Lumia"

Fitz* · 29-11-2017 12:08PM

Caliden wrote: »

They sold the HP branding for cameras & printers to someone else.

Their main focus now is enterprise/servers/applications.

They've moved away from the hardware side of things but have let others use the HP name.

jmayo wrote: »

I didn't know they had sold out all printers, but I did know they are built in China.

Actually they didn't sell them off.

They separated the company by divisions.

1) Printers & Personal Systems. This was known as HPI - Hewlett Packard Inc, so it retained the original, client- known name.
2) Enterprise Servers, cloud, apps etc. This was known as HPE - Hewlett Packard Enterprise.

3) HPE has since sold off its Enterprise Services division to merge with CSC to form DXC Technology
4) HPE merged it's software division with Micro Focus, to be knows as Micro Focus.

I know this is I helped separate them, 3 times.

29-11-2017 12:10PM

Dyson is a complete rip off.

All smooth talk about technology, design and efficiency and just a poor vacuum cleaner. And because it was so successful, they have tried the exact same gimmick across the range "here's a product that looks good, performs moderately well, but now we're gonna give you some quirky technology angle so you think you have to have it, for twice the price of rival brands".

Sky King · 29-11-2017 12:11PM

Myles Dyson should have just stayed at Skynet.

demanufactured · 29-11-2017 12:12PM

KVI

29-11-2017 12:14PM

demanufactured wrote: »

KVI

Yellow Pack :pac:

storker · 29-11-2017 12:14PM

Karsini wrote: »

Not to mention the firetrap dryers they made for the last 15-odd years.

*gulp*

demanufactured · 29-11-2017 12:15PM

Karsini wrote: »

Yellow Pack :pac:

Pure value

demanufactured · 29-11-2017 12:16PM

Fujitzu Siemens PC's

CrankyHaus · 29-11-2017 12:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dyson is a complete rip off.

All smooth talk about technology, design and efficiency and just a poor vacuum cleaner. And because it was so successful, they have tried the exact same gimmick across the range "here's a product that looks good, performs moderately well, but now we're gonna give you some quirky technology angle so you think you have to have it, for twice the price of rival brands".

Yeah they present themselves as this entirely engineering driven company, as if their competitors are just banging rocks together, but it's just a marketing subterfuge. Also their hand-dryers in pubs are often filth traps at the bottom of the U-shape and I assume only blow all the dirt onto any users hands.

Nekarsulm · 29-11-2017 01:38PM

Cleaning companies seem to use Henry hoover's more than any other make.

About 8 years ago I worked in a letting agency, and you'd be in and out of lots of housing estates and renovation projects.
I pulled a Henry hoover out of a builders skip one day and brought it home.
It seemed to have been used by the builders to clean up sand and tiling grout, no bag in it and internally clogged up.
Cleaned out everything I could, and it's still working away now.

theteal · 29-11-2017 01:48PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Aiwa stereos... had a great one on the 90s. Fantastic sound...

There's a blast from the past. I remember having a really expensive Aiwa "Walkman" when I was about 15. T'was my pride and joy. I can't believe I completely forgot about that brand.

ThisRegard · 29-11-2017 02:16PM

seamus wrote: »

To be fair to Dell, they've managed to go the opposite way. In the 2000's I would have regarded them as bloated, slow, shoddily designed, expensive pieces of crap and advised anyone not to buy one - especially as a home PC.

Since the consumer PC market has been annihilated, the quality of what they produce has improved immensely and prices have actually come down.

Reminds me, as a student in the 90s I used to work somewhere that sold Packard Bells, you didn't get a lot for their money. Privately I'd advise people to seek out Dells or Gateways.

I had an Aiwa stereo during that period, it was great. Didn't look as snazzy as the Sonys with all their fancy lights and equalisers, had a backlit LCD display, but the sound was much better which was the main thing.

And I'm going to stand up for Dyson, have one over 15 years, it has rolled down the stairs numerous times and it still works great.

tooManyChoices · 29-11-2017 02:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dyson is a complete rip off.

All smooth talk about technology, design and efficiency and just a poor vacuum cleaner. And because it was so successful, they have tried the exact same gimmick across the range "here's a product that looks good, performs moderately well, but now we're gonna give you some quirky technology angle so you think you have to have it, for twice the price of rival brands".

Once great brands ...... now junk.

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