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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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  • #422
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    Imagine your hobby was imagining about people's hobbies on the internet

    Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try.


  • #423
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Imagine your hobby was pretending to be 13 year old girls on the Internet

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2009-02-14

    :pac:


  • #424
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Imagine your hobby was entrapping paedos

    Imagine your hobby was chatting on a forum about a group that was entrapping paedos :pac:


  • #425
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Yeah God forbid... any Irish children, cos they are just better than all those durty fordeign childers ...

    :rolleyes: Jesus F*cking Wept

    Swing and a miss.


  • #426
    mikeysmith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭mikeysmith


    gozunda wrote: »
    The police do not appear to have issue with how he was reported and there appears to be actual evidence that he posted pornographic photos to the targeted profile. He has been charged and arranged for court appearance.

    I don't think we need worry about how he is to be charged - that's for the courts to decide. The fact is that he believed he was contacting a young girl and he then acted on it by arranging to meet up with her with the alledged intention of illegal activity. He was 'caught' as he arrived at his prearranged meeting place.

    If anything it's going to make paedophiles think twice about trying this sh!t elsewhere - if it results in them getting caught or not doing it in the first place - I and sure others don't have any problem with that.




    I note some evident low level attack on the group who caught this guy out like the above - branding the group as "weirdos" or some type if criminals etc - beware shooting the messengers for the reason that some perhaps don't like what is being outed. I would have concerns with that response tbh ...

    it wasn't an attack on the group as such and you have no need to be concerned about my opinion in any way as it is merely my opinion

    it is merely an observation that these paedophile vigilante groups tend to attract all types to their ranks including undesirables using the mask of vigilantism to distract from their own undesirability


    also there are questions over their tactics such as livestreaming


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  • #427
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    orangerhyme wrote: »
    Well researched post.
    I heard a detective in the US once say that most rapes of children are by opportunistic rapist sociopaths as opposed actual paedophiles.
    have a genuine romantic interest and will try to charm the child. Wrong I know but there's a clear distinction between the two.
    ...

    I don't much care if he is labelled Paedophile, would be child molestor or kiddie fiddler, there is something wrong with guy that wants to groom young girls for sex and have sex for young girls.
    End of discussion.

    Splitting verbal hairs is the norm nowadays where analysis often goes to the nth degree.
    If someone fancies and has "genuine romantic interest" in a child then that sooner or later will in all probability lead to more.
    And besides who in their right mind would have a "romantic interest" in a child.
    Minderbinder wrote: »
    ...
    Why are they pretending to be little girls? F**king bizarre behaviour. Can you just imagine pretending to be a little girl trying to attract some guy into committing a crime? That’s very f**ked up.

    Many police forces and agencies have units specifically tasked to act as honeypots to trap these predators.

    The guys and gals working there have to keep up to date on teen bands, childrens tv, celebs, etc.
    That you would have to listen to absolute shyte music, read teen mags, watch teen tv must enough of a headwreck before you even start having online conversations with middle aged guys in their shorts.
    How the feck they unwind after a days work like that is mind boggling.

    The other thing this story should reinforce with parents is to monitor kids online activity.
    And that includes teenagers.
    Girls are targeted by guys online and before they know it they are being blackmailed because they have for some freaking reason shared intimate photos.

    Eventually the parents may find out when the daughter is freaking out that someone is going to share the photos with all her facebook, instagram friends.

    And nothing much can be done because these guys are god knows where.

    BTW another interesting thing about this thread was how long a certain poster was allowed insult half the population, I wonder if the comments were reversed how long that shyte would be tolerated ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #428
    DodgerOfSheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭DodgerOfSheep


    mikeysmith wrote: »
    it wasn't an attack on the group as such and you have no need to be concerned about my opinion in any way as it is merely my opinion

    it is merely an observation that these paedophile vigilante groups tend to attract all types to their ranks including undesirables using the mask of vigilantism to distract from their own undesirability


    also there are questions over their tactics such as livestreaming

    This group records the interactions with the suspected pedo and calls the police without violence. They seem like an aggressive neighbourhood watch really.


  • #429
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    gozunda wrote: »
    I suspect there is clear and fairly unieqivical evidence online that he knew from the profile that the child was 13 yrs of age

    He has been charged with attempting to meet a child under 16 following grooming. The second charge was attempting to court or incite a girl aged 13 to 15 to engage in sexual activity. The age bracketing refers to specific legislation afair.

    But the child doesn't even exist and he was talking to a group of men. The entire legal case seems to rest on 'intention' to commit a crime, but that seems a somewhat shaky concept and not a solid one.


  • #430
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Imagine your hobby was chatting on a forum about a group that was entrapping paedos :pac:

    Paedception


  • #431
    Peatys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Strazdas wrote: »
    But the child doesn't even exist and he was talking to a group of men. The entire legal case seems to rest on 'intention' to commit a crime, but that seems a somewhat shaky concept and not a solid one.

    Looking for loopholes where none exist. He's fücked.


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  • #432
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Is pedergast still a thing or are they all classed as paedofiles , is one seen less abhorrently or what's going on?


  • #433
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    jmayo wrote: »
    I don't much care if he is labelled Paedophile, would be child molestor or kiddie fiddler, there is something wrong with guy that wants to groom young girls for sex and have sex for young girls.
    End of discussion.

    Splitting verbal hairs is the norm nowadays where analysis often goes to the nth degree.
    If someone fancies and has "genuine romantic interest" in a child then that sooner or later will in all probability lead to more.
    And besides who in their right mind would have a "romantic interest" in a child.



    Many police forces and agencies have units specifically tasked to act as honeypots to trap these predators.

    The guys and gals working there have to keep up to date on teen bands, childrens tv, celebs, etc.
    That you would have to listen to absolute shyte music, read teen mags, watch teen tv must enough of a headwreck before you even start having online conversations with middle aged guys in their shorts.
    How the feck they unwind after a days work like that is mind boggling.

    The other thing this story should reinforce with parents is to monitor kids online activity.
    And that includes teenagers.
    Girls are targeted by guys online and before they know it they are being blackmailed because they have for some freaking reason shared intimate photos.

    Eventually the parents may find out when the daughter is freaking out that someone is going to share the photos with all her facebook, instagram friends.

    And nothing much can be done because these guys are god knows where.

    BTW another interesting thing about this thread was how long a certain poster was allowed insult half the population, I wonder if the comments were reversed how long that shyte would be tolerated ?
    Mod note: You know better than to question any mod actions in a thread. If you have a question, PM a mod!

    On that note, mods are all volunteers on the site. We don't sit by the computer all day looking for something to do, we all have jobs and other stuff that keeps us busy. The posts were dealt with as soon as they came to our attention, the same as any other post.

    If you feel that the actions were not appropriate, please contact one of the listed Cmods and take the issue up with them.

    Now, back to the discussion, please.

    Buford T.Justice.


  • #434
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭lalababa


    lalababa wrote: »
    Is pedergast still a thing or are they all classed as paedofiles , is one seen less abhorrently or what's going on?

    I hope this doesn't affect next week's rugby coverage.


  • #435
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    i know it's easy to say now, but he has the look of a creep aswell, it's in the eyes


  • #436
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Spanish Eyes banned for one month.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #437
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,257 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    If the allegations against him are proven in court then I hope he gets a good sentence.

    Just reading the Times and turns out he is married. My heart goes out to her. Can you imagine the shock to her. Very sad


  • #438
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Swing and a miss.

    hmmm Judging by thanks don't think so!!!


  • #439
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Is this the video of a guy up against a wall being shouted at? Saw that last night if so, let justice follow if wrong doing is proved in a court of law.

    Edit - Just saw it's not, it was another video of the Garda arresting another guy caught out in a sting type operation from some justice group on Facebook.


  • #440
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    I am not entirely comfortable with these kind of groups, I would question the mentality of people getting involved. However they probably stopped this guy for good, so it's hard to know how to feel. Like others, when I heard he had a wife and kids, part of me feels really sorry for him, at least he wont be going near anyone again however.
    He said In the group video that he has no children


  • #441
    skinny90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Off the topic trail of thought here. but if this guy was too kill himself as a direct result of the video would that put those behind it in trouble ?


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  • #442
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Is this the video of a guy up against a wall being shouted at? Saw that last night if so, let justice follow if wrong doing is proved in a court of law.


    No that's the one from Drogheda last night. Guy was a definite creep and brazen as hell.


  • #443
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Off the topic trail of thought here. but if this guy was too kill himself as a direct result of the video would that put those behind it in trouble ?

    What court would convict (even if some were rabble) a gang that prevented child rape because they threw some insults? Surely the person that committed suicide did so because of the exposure, and not the manner.


  • #444
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    What court would convict (even if some were rabble) a gang that prevented child rape because they threw some insults? Surely the person that committed suicide did so because of the exposure, and not the manner.

    A person being arrested under normal circumstances by police would be one thing. It's arguable though that the public humiliation of having videos of the confrontation by vigilantes all over the internet multiplies the humiliation of that person and their family members many times over.


  • #445
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    What court would convict (even if some were rabble) a gang that prevented child rape because they threw some insults? Surely the person that committed suicide did so because of the exposure, and not the manner.


    Not with me it wouldn't!

    Id be very much of the "fúck him" mindset.


  • #446
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A person being arrested under normal circumstances by police would be one thing. It's arguable though that the public humiliation of having videos of the confrontation by vigilantes all over the internet multiplies the humiliation of that person and their family members many times over.

    He was going to be on video at some stage. His pic is already on the main page of RTE news.

    Is he embarrassed at being discovered to be a danger to children or because he got called names on camera.


  • #447
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,874 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    He was going to be on video at some stage. His pic is already on the main page of RTE news.

    Is he embarrassed at being discovered to be a danger to children or because he got called names on camera.

    That's not the same as being live streamed on the internet by a group of guys throwing insults at him. The video isn't being watched because a guy is getting arrested it's being watched because it's being turned into entertainment by the guys who baited him.

    They should have arranged the rendezvous and then had the police there when he arrived. Then the police arrest him and that's it. And don't record it.


  • #448
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    You would like to think so, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t based on some BS excuse that he hasn’t committed a crime over here.

    Though the law is - http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/act/2/section/7/enacted/en/html

    Meeting child for purpose of sexual exploitation


    7. (1) A person who—

    (a) intentionally meets, or travels with the intention of meeting a child or makes arrangements with the intention of meeting a child or for a child to travel, whether or not from within the State, having communicated by any means with that child on at least one previous occasion, and

    (b) does so for the purpose of doing anything that would constitute sexual exploitation of the child,

    shall be guilty of an offence.

    (2) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.

    (3) In this section “child” means a person under the age of 17 years.

    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Must have been at least 12 hours. Bloody idiots probably wanted to fact check or get their legal position straight first. So annoying. Don't they know I wanna know stuff NOW goddamit.

    Legal position? Why would they want to know their legal position? Other media outlets had given the name, so there was nothing to check out, it was RTE protecting their own.


  • #449
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Grayson wrote: »
    That's not the same as being live streamed on the internet by a group of guys throwing insults at him. The video isn't being watched because a guy is getting arrested it's being watched because it's being turned into entertainment by the guys who baited him.

    They should have arranged the rendezvous and then had the police there when he arrived. Then the police arrest him and that's it. And don't record it.

    I somewhat agree with that...but on the other hand this approach is surely going to put many predators off trying to groom children, and that can only be a good thing.


  • #450
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    While this might ruin his life, I think if I was working in RTE I'd like to know if the guy sitting beside me/working in the same office/guy you chat to at the coffee station every morning is up to this kind of thing.


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  • #451
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Grayson wrote: »
    That's not the same as being live streamed on the internet by a group of guys throwing insults at him. The video isn't being watched because a guy is getting arrested it's being watched because it's being turned into entertainment by the guys who baited him.

    They should have arranged the rendezvous and then had the police there when he arrived. Then the police arrest him and that's it. And don't record it.

    No it's not, but lets not forget the context here. He was going to have sex with a child. That's his shame, that he was vilified by the mob is only a tiny factor. Can you really compare them both?


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