Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Billy86 · 24-10-2017 11:13PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Now I do still hold to my previous position that fair play Ms Judd was the first to support McGowan and her story. Though more and more the above notice box angle seems to have been in play. I do wonder would she have been nearly so quick to support her if she was still in the system and more to the point, still bankable. Let's face it almost nobody who was/is still bankable was exactly quick with the support, reporting and condemnation. She didn't. Even when she happily admits it was something all the women she knew in the business discussed when they met and his name came up.

I guess that would depend on what you mean by bankable because while not in the lead role, she has been in films grossing over $1bn over the last four years (Divergent trilogy and Olympus Has Fallen) which I'd reckon she got paid decently for.

Wibbs · 24-10-2017 11:19PM

True enough B.

retro:electro · 24-10-2017 11:32PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well, allegedly given no charges have even been brought and apparently some members of her own (gun touting) family don't believe her. None of which mean it didn't happen of course, but there you are. I remember when she came out with that and it was first about some old guy who tried to stick his tongue down her throat and she ran off (that I believed) but then as the years progressed it became about repressed incest memories (which is a red flag given what Rosanne Barr went through and indeed many a miscarriage of justice was based on) but in saying that, if she says it happened, so be it.

Have to say though, she undermines herself quite a bit when she talks about being raped as a child as not being as bad as Trump getting elected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UiFR_3K51o

Wow. Being raped is possibly one of the most horrific things that can happen to anyone. To compare that then to the temporary election of someone you don't like is just so abhorrantly ignorant- she not only compared it but said it's worse!
I get that she's been through a lot and so her musings may not be coming from a sound space but seriously what a fcuked up thing to say.
"How dare someone say something I don't agree with in my vicinity". Get a grip woman.
Sake.

Wibbs · 25-10-2017 09:27AM

With every passing day more women are coming forward, each with the same story of Harvey's modus operandi; gets into a bathrobe, asks the woman for a massage, attempts or succeeds in oral sexual assault and sometimes full blown rape. How many women have to come forward before this guy is arrested?

Neyite · 25-10-2017 10:24AM

Wibbs wrote: »

With every passing day more women are coming forward, each with the same story of Harvey's modus operandi; gets into a bathrobe, asks the woman for a massage, attempts or succeeds in oral sexual assault and sometimes full blown rape. How many women have to come forward before this guy is arrested?

It really demonstrates how overly deferential they are to powerful people. Even ones recently toppled from their plinth. My guess is that they are holding off to see if he's really fallen from grace before pressing charges. Kinda like hyenas circling but waiting until the injured prey is absolutely dead and no threat to them before getting closer.

It also shows that even when someone's reputation is in utter tatters, when he's been exposed fully for what he is and his actions going back decades, the remnants of his untouchable persona are still lingering. At the height of his power he was no match for a starlet starting out.

Shurimgreat · 25-10-2017 10:26AM

Looks like naming and shaming serious sexual offenders works. Dozens more women coming forward, effectively ending the careers of these producers who otherwise would continue to work in the industry.

marienbad · 25-10-2017 10:29AM

Neyite wrote: »

Kinda like hyenas circling but waiting until the injured prey is absolutely dead and no threat to them before getting closer.

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What a horrible description of the victims of a voracious sexual predator . Lovely , says it all about this thread though.

Shurimgreat · 25-10-2017 10:29AM

Wibbs wrote: »

With every passing day more women are coming forward, each with the same story of Harvey's modus operandi; gets into a bathrobe, asks the woman for a massage, attempts or succeeds in oral sexual assault and sometimes full blown rape. How many women have to come forward before this guy is arrested?

Good question. America with its 50 states is very fragmented in terms of justice. And law agencies also seem deferential to the likes of Weinstein who after all had political contacts and cover. He's hiding out in "therapy" but he should be in a police station being interviewed.

abbir · 25-10-2017 10:31AM

marienbad wrote: »

What a horrible description of the victims of a voracious sexual predator . Lovely , says it all about this thread though.

I think the hyenas was in reference to the authorities waiting to actually arrest him.

Neyite · 25-10-2017 10:36AM

marienbad wrote: »

What a horrible description of the victims of a voracious sexual predator . Lovely , says it all about this thread though.

No... You can see I bolded Wibbs sentence about what it takes for HW to be arrested. My comment was in direct response to the (non) arrest.

I'm talking about the LAPD. They are loath to press charges until they are sure HW is no threat whatsoever. Remember this is the guy that had District Attorenys in his pocket and got charges in New York dropped*. Nobody is going to go for an arrest when an ambitious attorney who wants to run for political office will get them fired. That's what I meant.

*The DA that dropped the sexual assault charges against HW ran for political office and got a nice cash donation for his campaign off HW for his 'reward'

Shurimgreat · 25-10-2017 10:41AM

There's a difference between a sex addict who needs treatment and a violent criminal sexual predator like Weinstein who should be in court and/or jail. Its time he was dragged out of his treatment and made to answer for these allegations.

If Weinstein was a black guy committing these crimes on the streets, he'd be locked up for life, no questions asked.

Just one more way America is divided between rich and poor, those with political influence and those without.

evil_seed · 25-10-2017 10:44AM

marienbad wrote: »

What a horrible description of the victims of a voracious sexual predator . Lovely , says it all about this thread though.

read it again, then jump to the correct conclusion

Wibbs · 25-10-2017 10:46AM

marienbad wrote: »

What a horrible description of the victims of a voracious sexual predator . Lovely , says it all about this thread though.

Eh no.

Way to go picking up the wrong end of the stick because of your preconceptions though.

Wibbs · 25-10-2017 10:49AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Good question. America with its 50 states is very fragmented in terms of justice. And law agencies also seem deferential to the likes of Weinstein who after all had political contacts and cover. He's hiding out in "therapy" but he should be in a police station being interviewed.

If it was a one off incident, were there might have been a grey area, but my god the list of women reporting this grows by the day. If this guy doesn't get gaol time over his decades long stream of sexual abuse of dozens of women then I dunno what to think.

25-10-2017 11:36AM

I would really love, if one woman came forward and said :

' yeah, he tried it with me too, but I grabbed his balls and squeezed them till they bled and he passed out'.

Zwillinge · 25-10-2017 11:41AM

Jake1 wrote: »

I would really love, if one woman came forward and said :

' yeah, he tried it with me too, but I grabbed his balls and squeezed them till they bled and he passed out'.

I'll be honest, the moment I heard of all this I expected Angelina Jolie to come out and say that.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 25-10-2017 12:10PM

Former President George Bush Sr. is the latest to be accused of sexual assault. He has apologised for an incident that took place with actress Heather Lind.
I have read some disturbing reports about previous allegations regarding Bush Senior, we will see if more people come forward on this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5014447/Actress-alleges-George-H-W-Bush-sexually-assaulted-her.html

Separately, I also saw this image floating about on the internet, it would be great if this gained momentum. The Hollywood SJW's would be falling over themselves to make excuses:

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B0jangles · 25-10-2017 12:13PM

Are you comparing awards statues to the Civil War memorial statues that were largely erected years after the war and at times which coincided with the passing of explicitly racist laws and then later with the Civil rights movement in the 1960's?

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/897255950951866368

Are you really making that comparison?

Penn · 25-10-2017 12:13PM

Zwillinge wrote: »

I'll be honest, the moment I heard of all this I expected Angelina Jolie to come out and say that.

You have to consider the age most of the women were at, including Angelina Jolie, when he'd try it on with them, the level their careers were at and the level his career was at. From most of the women's stories, they tried to get out without causing any hassle or offence.

He went after women at the start of their careers and when they were usually early-20's. The ones who got out usually did so by making excuses and politely leaving.

Penn · 25-10-2017 12:17PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Separately, I also saw this image floating about on the internet, it would be great if this gained momentum. The Hollywood SJW's would be falling over themselves to make excuses:

Nonsense comparison

25-10-2017 12:23PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Are you comparing awards statues to the Civil War memorial statues that were largely erected years after the war and at times which coincided with the passing of explicitly racist laws and then later with the Civil rights movement in the 1960's?

Are you really making that comparison?

This thread is pulling out the really expensive crazy.

Now we have awards statuettes being compared with pre civil rights era monuments.

tomwaterford · 25-10-2017 12:30PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Former President George Bush Sr. is the latest to be accused of sexual assault. He has apologised for an incident that took place with actress Heather Lind.
I have read some disturbing reports about previous allegations regarding Bush Senior, we will see if more people come forward on this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5014447/Actress-alleges-George-H-W-Bush-sexually-assaulted-her.html

Separately, I also saw this image floating about on the internet, it would be great if this gained momentum. The Hollywood SJW's would be falling over themselves to make excuses:

Did the oscar crowd not kick this lad out??

Tbh I dont really see the point of so many award ceremony etc anyways....but it deos seem alot of hoops to jump to,to arrive to the conclusion this lad has??

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 25-10-2017 12:35PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Are you comparing awards statues to the Civil War memorial statues that were largely erected years after the war and at times which coincided with the passing of explicitly racist laws and then later with the Civil rights movement in the 1960's?

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/897255950951866368

Are you really making that comparison?

No.

B0jangles · 25-10-2017 12:43PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

No.

Weird, you must have posted the wrong image so.

25-10-2017 12:56PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

The Hollywood SJW's would be falling over themselves to make excuses:

Anytime anyone says SJW, the rest of the post immediately becomes this:

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 25-10-2017 03:18PM

Penn wrote: »

Nonsense comparison

What comparison?

Candie wrote: »

This thread is pulling out the really expensive crazy.

Now we have awards statuettes being compared with pre civil rights era monuments.

You are the only person who has mentioned pre civil rights era monuments.
Maybe he was referring to suggestions by Vice magazine to blow up Mount Rushmore.

Yes, they actually wrote that before deleting the article online:

irishproduce · 25-10-2017 03:22PM

Penn wrote: »

You have to consider the age most of the women were at, including Angelina Jolie, when he'd try it on with them, the level their careers were at and the level his career was at. From most of the women's stories, they tried to get out without causing any hassle or offence.

He went after women at the start of their careers and when they were usually early-20's. The ones who got out usually did so by making excuses and politely leaving.

You write that as if he was some kind of wild predator to be feared who was out of control.
He was very much in control of himself and didn't "go after" women.
He manipulated them yes, took advantage of them, definitely but he didn't "go after them" resulting in some "getting out".
There was nothing to get out of. He was manipulative and manipulated young women in to sexual situations.
He went after women... ffs

Shurimgreat · 25-10-2017 03:26PM

irishproduce wrote: »

You write that as if he was some kind of wild predator to be feared who was out of control.
He was very much in control of himself and didn't "go after" women.
He manipulated them yes, took advantage of them, definitely but he didn't "go after them" resulting in some "getting out".
There was nothing to get out of. He was manipulative and manipulated young women in to sexual situations.
He went after women... ffs

He chased women home. He tried to force them into his hotel room against their will. He forced himself on them without their consent. He is alleged to have raped several.

In all respects he was a wild, violent sexual predator who gave women no choice. There was cases of manipulation and pressure to do as he asked, but there was also many cases of violent sexual assault where the women repeatedly said no to his advances.

Penn · 25-10-2017 03:34PM

irishproduce wrote: »

You write that as if he was some kind of wild predator to be feared who was out of control.
He was very much in control of himself and didn't "go after" women.
He manipulated them yes, took advantage of them, definitely but he didn't "go after them" resulting in some "getting out".
There was nothing to get out of. He was manipulative and manipulated young women in to sexual situations.
He went after women... ffs

He manipulated them into situations under false pretenses. He had female staff bring the women to his hotel room to put them at ease that there's another woman there, under the guise of having a meeting to discuss film projects, then had her leave, meaning the actresses were now alone with him in his hotel room.

Yes, he was very much in control of himself and the situation. But he did "go after them" in the sense that he chose, arranged and manipulated the women into these situations with him in order to coerce and pressure them into having sex with him. They did "get out" in the sense that they left despite his intense pressure and veiled threats (as is evident by the recorded tape of him pressuring the woman to come into the bathroom and watch him shower. Not exactly a "You don't want to watch me shower? Okay then, you may leave" situation).

And of course, there are now numerous stories where women did not "get out" and were raped or assaulted.

He did "go after" women. He may not have been prowling the streets at night in a hoodie and pulling them into bushes, but when he saw young actresses he liked or saw a chance to get them into his room and try to manipulate them into sex, he did so on numerous occasions.

Shurimgreat · 25-10-2017 03:46PM

In fairness, the Oscars have a reputation for all those things. The representation of minorities in Oscar nominations is glaring. Its nearly always white men or white women up for virtually all nominations.
But that is more representative of a wider problem in Hollywood.
The Oscars are about Hollywood giving itself a pat on the back and saying everything is ok. The more Oscars the Weinstein company won, the more credibility he got and the more young women were forced to work with him. Clearly everything isn't ok and the Oscars are part of the rot.

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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