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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • #1052
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    It's an open secret that Spacey is gay, but that's not the issue. Allegedly the rumours claim that he abused his position when riding on the A list to sleep with very young men and teenagers and manipulate them into silence. Very odious.

    As for the paedophelia in Hollywood, well that is truly despicable. I fully believe Corey Feldman about what went on (and is probably still going on) and I would dearly like to see these sick perverts exposed and brought down. The revelations must not stop with Weinstein.

    I'd say a lot of lawyers are getting a lot of calls from Hollywood insiders at the moment.

    As for Gwyneth Paltrow, she is Hollywood royalty with big family connections to the industry (her mother is Blythe Danner) so I find it puzzling why she would have to go along with Weinstein's perversions. I think she alleges that Weinstein harassed her, but the extent of that harassment is unclear. Other actresses who allege abuse by Weinstein came from outside Hollywood with no powerful connections so they would have been easier prey for him than Paltrow.


  • #1053
    [Deleted User]
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    Recall Spacey being in Ireland in the late '90s, and even then, before social media, the phrase doing the rounds was that he was a person who did not understand the word "no".


  • #1054
    philstar
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    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

    I'm thinking Spacey will be found out sooner or later-nothing stays a secret for long. And he's at the stage where he's not a money maker for Hollywood anymore. He can be a supporting player-but he's not a lead.
    Plus, more and more people are challenging him about his 'lifestyle'. His dad was a pervert too, so it runs in the family.

    any link to back this up?


  • #1055
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Recall Spacey being in Ireland in the late '90s, and even then, before social media, the phrase doing the rounds was that he was a person who did not understand the word "no".


    Allegedly called the Space Monster in Hollywood!


  • #1056
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    tylercheribini wrote: »
    haha love that "pisstake" argument, my college lecturer made the same apologist shtick. The whole thing is one big ironic pisstake by 'Irish American' Ford eh? Funny yankee audiences didn't 'get it' then or now(look at the bus loads that still visit the filming sites, ironically of course):) Its the most stage "oirish", diddley di ****e you can get, makes Darby O Gill look like a documentary and ultimately spawned what we now know as bord failte and the 'Irish Cailin'/Rose of Tralee industry. Point I was making is how things that were wholely acceptable at one stage ( dragging slapping women etc) and hiding in plain sight, arent anymore. Was also referring to the making of stories more than anything else too.

    It's okay, dear.


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  • #1057
    A Little Pony
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYEi8K9lx8


    Rogan saying a lot of women in the business aren't saying anything because they did f*ck him for movie parts.


  • #1058
    Wibbs
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Rogan saying a lot of women in the business aren't saying anything because they did f*ck him for movie parts.
    It's a possibility alright.

    Though one part irritates me when Rogan gets onto the whole Brian Singer angle he mentions that these powerful older gay guys surrounded themselves with "twinks", young looking gay guys, who may or may not have had some underage guys among their number. But he completely fails to note that a lot of powerful older straight guys often surround themselves with female "twinks". When was the last time Mick Jagger or Jimmy page went out with a woman their own age? But because it's gay guys it's somehow intrinsically wrong? I know it's an aside, but it irritates me.

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  • #1059
    RabbleRouser2k
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    philstar wrote: »
    any link to back this up?

    Sure thing.

    https://moviepilot.com/posts/2858205
    Spacey's brother, Randall Fowler, who is a Rodney Stewart impersonator in Boise, Idaho, has spoken out about his father, according to FOX News. Fowler claims their father sexually abused him and another female relative, while leaving Spacey alone.


    Annnnd another director's been caught. James Toback-never heard of him.
    (Also wrote the movie Bugsy).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5005765/Thirty-women-accuse-James-Toback-sexual-harrassment.html


  • #1060
    Billy86
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    He also did the Tyson documentary about a decade back, at a glance a lot of his other movies seem to focus on sexuality - 38 women have apparently come forward on him.

    He wrote the 1970s James Caan movie 'The Gambler' but his breakout directorial film was a semi-autobiographical movie called 'The Pickup Artist' (1987) and he has an upcoming movie called 'The Private Life of a Modern Woman' :rolleyes:


  • #1061
    [Deleted User]
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    A Little Pony wrote: »

    Rogan saying a lot of women in the business aren't saying anything because they did f*ck him for movie parts.

    So now even a woman who wasn't assaulted and has nothing to speak up about can have her very own shadow of suspicion following her around anyway - that she slept her way to success?

    I guess you just can't win.


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  • #1062
    blinding
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    How hard can it be to watch Harvey Weinstein have a w-$-$-k......

    When you consider how much money could be made .

    I wonder how many of these actress had agents (male / female ) that had a good idea what Weinstein was like but encouraged their clients to visit Harvey in his hotel room / apartment .


  • #1063
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Recall Spacey being in Ireland in the late '90s...

    Yeah, he was here making a movie about The General (ODC). I was an extra in it. Would have a bigger role but I wouldn't... only messing. Was a crap film anyway but apparently he was in London just before shooting started and seen Colin Farrell in a play there and so gave him a part in ODC and then during shooting recommended some LA casting agent to him who flew over to Ireland, got drunk with Colin and then Joel Schumaker almost immediately cast him in Tigerland (Farrell's first film apart from an Irish made RTE TV film, Falling For a Dancer - which he got because he taught line dancing in Break for the Brother at time).

    Many have questioned over the years why Colin has never really bestowed thanks on Spacey for what effectively was him kickstarting his career (in Hollywood at least) but I'm highly doubt Colin would have shagged Spacey in exchange for some strings being pulled in LA. He could perhaps have come on to him heavy though and after being rejected, in an effort to smooth things over, hooked him up with the casting guy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWSvLVhyaR4



    And there was this so he certainly seems to like guys but he could have been "rehearsing for a role" I suppose.


  • #1064
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    So, man's Hollywood career takes off quickly due to him getting connected. It's probably because he refused sexual advances and the situation got smoothed over.

    Woman has a successful career in the vicinty of Weinstein. It's probably because she f*cked her way into jobs, and she should be ashamed and should stfu about Weinstein.

    Cool.


  • #1065
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »
    So, man's Hollywood career takes off quickly due to him getting connected. It's probably because he refused sexual advances and the situation got smoothed over.

    Woman has a successful career in the vicinty of Weinstein. It's probably because she f*cked her way into jobs, and she should be ashamed and should stfu about Weinstein.

    Cool.

    Talk about reading what you want into a post...........

    Does this look like someone who believes that "anyone had successful career in the vicinty of Weinstein.... was probably because she f*cked her way into jobs"??
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Well, most of those that have spoken out did tell him the naff off tbf: Cara, Garai, Mira, Rosanna Arquette, Judd, Seydoux, Jolie, Klass, Palthrow all declined his kind offers.

    Clearly not....... but you'll imply it of me nonetheless.


  • #1066
    RabbleRouser2k
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's a possibility alright.

    Though one part irritates me when Rogan gets onto the whole Brian Singer angle he mentions that these powerful older gay guys surrounded themselves with "twinks", young looking gay guys, who may or may not have had some underage guys among their number. But he completely fails to note that a lot of powerful older straight guys often surround themselves with female "twinks". When was the last time Mick Jagger or Jimmy page went out with a woman their own age? But because it's gay guys it's somehow intrinsically wrong? I know it's an aside, but it irritates me.

    I think the question there is that these 'twinks' may look young because they are young, as in not of legal age to drink-or possibly not to give consent. JAgger did date younger women-but of age, able to give consent. Yes, he dates younger women-just not 'that' young.
    JupiterKid wrote: »
    As for the paedophelia in Hollywood, well that is truly despicable. I fully believe Corey Feldman about what went on (and is probably still going on) and I would dearly like to see these sick perverts exposed and brought down. The revelations must not stop with Weinstein.

    I'd say a lot of lawyers are getting a lot of calls from Hollywood insiders at the moment.

    As for Gwyneth Paltrow, she is Hollywood royalty with big family connections to the industry (her mother is Blythe Danner) so I find it puzzling why she would have to go along with Weinstein's perversions. I think she alleges that Weinstein harassed her, but the extent of that harassment is unclear. Other actresses who allege abuse by Weinstein came from outside Hollywood with no powerful connections so they would have been easier prey for him than Paltrow.

    Feldman was recently busted for having marijuana-poor guy, hope he doesn't go the way if Haim.

    I agree on the lawyers thing, no doubt.

    As for Paltrow-Asia Argento is the daughter of Dario, also movie royalty. Didn't stop her being abused. It doesn't protect a person.

    http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/harveys-girls-the-wouldbe-ingenues-where-are-they-now-and-what-happened-then.php

    There have been many women who haven't spoken up. Gretchen Mol, Jessica Alba, a bit of deferment by Blake Lively, Moira Kelly, Monica Potter, Mena Suvari, Amy Smart-quiet as church mice. Mol it's believed was practically Harvey's prostitute, but treated with less respect.
    Candie wrote: »
    So now even a woman who wasn't assaulted and has nothing to speak up about can have her very own shadow of suspicion following her around anyway - that she slept her way to success?

    I guess you just can't win.

    Sadly, yes-and that's probably what's offended Hollywood more-the idea people 'slept' their way to the top or are being exposed for it. (She was exposed before this but Asia Argento slept with 'JT Leroy' to get the film rights to the book 'The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things'. It's in the documentary 'Author: the JT leroy story'. Quite a lot of people don't come across well in that. But I imagine Argento's behaviour is understood now-but makes you wonder who else she slept with to get a role).
    If just one person does it, it raises questions about the other. So despite all the success...the taint will remain on many of these actresses, sadly. And this includes those who've rejected every creepy advance made on them by a pervert.

    Some disturbing tales about Spacey. Back's up the doesn't understand the word 'No'.
    http://defamer.gawker.com/people-keep-telling-us-about-kevin-spacey-s-aggressive-1686507320


  • #1067
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭tara73


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Talk about reading what you want into a post...........

    Does this look like someone who believes that "anyone had successful career in the vicinty of Weinstein.... was probably because she f*cked her way into jobs"??



    Clearly not....... but you'll imply it of me nonetheless.


    hahaha, what's going on now? he's quoting himself and arguing against his own crap.

    I really think this thread should be closed, or the guys should take their 'discussion' in their nice 'gentlemens' club where nobody but themselves is bothered about the blablabla.


  • #1068
    Wibbs
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    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    I think the question there is that these 'twinks' may look young because they are young, as in not of legal age to drink-or possibly not to give consent. JAgger did date younger women-but of age, able to give consent. Yes, he dates younger women-just not 'that' young.
    Jagger did. Kinda... Jimmy Page most certainly did not. He spied a 14 year old girl by the name of Lori Maddox and took her away with him on tour where he bedded her. Neither did a certain Mr Bowie, who also took his turn on the young Ms Maddox(both are on public record, not least by Ms Maddox herself). As did Jagger, but he did wait until she was 17... The list of musicians who had sex with underage girls is a long one(Ted Nugent, Jerry Lee Lewis, Marvin Gaye, Bill Wyman, Iggy Pop for a start). So while I might certainly raise an eyebrow if some gay director is surrounded by young looking men, some who may just be under the age of consent to give consent or drink(the latter 21 in most(?) US states), I just find it interesting that some see that as somehow worse and it's essentially because they're gay. I like my standards not so double.
    tara73 wrote: »
    I really think this thread should be closed, or the guys should take their 'discussion' in their nice 'gentlemens' club where nobody but themselves is bothered about the blablabla.
    Took longer than I thought. This is a problem with any form of Correct Think™ at any time in any place. Any discussion beyond the accepted truth™ the believers seek to shut down. Not always, but mostly because they can't muster a corresponding argument. A picture paints a thousand words.

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  • #1069
    Wibbs
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Talk about reading what you want into a post...........
    TBH Pete it was my first thought too.

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  • #1070
    JupiterKid
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    Uma Thurman, one of my favorite actresses and star in a few Tarantino/Weinstein films, has remained very very silent on the unfolding scandal. There is a photo about showing her puckering up to Weinstein from a few years back.

    I wonder if those remaining silent are adopting a “wait and see” approach or have got legal advice?


  • #1071
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Uma Thurman, one of my favorite actresses and star in a few Tarantino/Weinstein films, has remained very very silent on the unfolding scandal. There is a photo about showing her puckering up to Weinstein from a few years back.

    I wonder if those remaining silent are adopting a “wait and see” approach or have got legal advice?

    She was married to Ethan Hawke at the time-tho I find it interesting about what happened during the making of Kill Bill.
    Ethan Hawke and Thurman met on the set of Gattaca, married, and he cheated on her during the time she was making Kill Bill. His reasons for it were 'he thought she was cheating with someone else'-he believed it was Tarantino. Well, it was ignored at the time, but maybe she was? Just with Harvey.

    I mean, if you cast your mind back-she was box office poison before Kill Bill (2003). Her last hit movie was Gattaca-6 years prior. She made the stinkers Batman and Robin, The Avengers (based on the 60s show) and Chelsea Wall. Everything else-bad. So how did Kill Bill happen?
    After the Kill Bill movies were done-more bad movies. Be Cool, Prime, The Producers remake, My Super ex-Girlfriend, The Accidental Husband, Playing for Keeps and Motherhood. The last film being the lowest grossing film in UK history (Made £88. Yes, less than a hundred quid).

    She has spoken on Harvey-kinda. Seems like she's not telling the whole story.



    Also, if you cast your mind back to 'the Fappening'-it's been long claimed that a hollywood exec's phone was hacked in order to obtain all those images and videos. The hack was claimed, but when the US government couldn't hack an Apple phone, it made the iCloud hack seem dodgy. Speculation has been that Weinstein could have released the images in a way to 'control' his actresses.


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  • #1072
    B.A._Baracus
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    I guess this would be a side-note but it really makes you question what it takes to become successful in acting.
    Hollywood, and even actors themselves, love to spout on about an actor being so gifted, researching a character, giving an amazing performance etc. That the cream rises to the top. But great actors would be a dime a dozen in New York or L.A. So what is talent? I guess you could say it's luck. Then how can it be luck if in order to get on you got to sleep with someone.


  • #1073
    blinding
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    Perhaps if you are willing to do some nasties with Weinstein it shows how committed you are....!


  • #1074
    Outlaw Pete
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    TBH Pete it was my first thought too.

    Surprised at that tbh, Wibbs, as earlier in the thread you thanked this post of mine. A post in which I called out another user for doing precisely what I am being accused of now: believing that any woman that was in the vicinity of Harvey over the years (and who went on to get successful) must have "f*cked her way into jobs". If that was indeed my view, why would I call out another user for expressing it? Wouldn't make any sense. In that post I named ten women who declined Harvey and even posted Eva Green's account also, mentioning how she too declined him but yet here I am getting accused of believing that any woman that was in Harvey's vacinity over the years, that then went on to get successful, must have "f*cked her way into jobs". I simply just don't believe that Colin Farrell did anything sexual with Spacey in order to get ahead (excuse the pun). Has nothing to do with his gender. If I believed he had done, I'd say so. There's no double standard on my part there.... as appears to be the nonsense implication.


  • #1075
    Outlaw Pete
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    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    Haim more than likely got the worst of it..

    A passage from the Wiki page for the Film Lucas:
    In Corey Feldman's 2013 book Coreyography, he explains the sexual abuse Corey Haim experienced during the filming of Lucas. Allegedly one of the adult men on the set of the film convinced Haim that it was "normal for older men and younger boys in the business to have sexual relations". Haim and the man walked off and went between two trailers on the set and Haim was sodomized by him. Feldman also says the man who did this is still alive and is one of the most successful people in the industry.

    Maybe I'm a million miles off here but surely there is only one person who worked on that film, that is today 'one of the most successful people in the industry'. Hhmm.

    As for Haim being raped at 11, I note this from his wiki:
    I was 10, and I'll never forget we went to like a crew party and my mom and dad were like dancing with other people and it was rocky; and I just started crying, whatever, and I remember Sarah (Jessica Parker) pulling me outside with Robert (Downey Jnr). And Robert said, you're comin' to live with me. And the next thing I remember I was in their car and we were walking, we went back to their place, and in their bedroom upstairs in this New York loft, they just cleaned everything out and put a blue lightbulb in there for me and a mattress and everything, and I lived there for a month and a half two months, with him and Sarah.

    Now suggesting RDJ wasn't cool to him but man from what I've read about him back in those days, he was doing all sorts of ****. Sure he must have been only 17/18 at the time himself. What a crazy fcuked up life Corey H had.


  • #1076
    [Deleted User]
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    Well here we go with problems with what Corey Haim says. He would've been 10 in 1981. The film that SJP and RDJ met on was released in 1984.


  • #1077
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
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    Candie wrote: »
    So now even a woman who wasn't assaulted and has nothing to speak up about can have her very own shadow of suspicion following her around anyway - that she slept her way to success?

    I guess you just can't win.


    Ah here, he didn't say that at all.
    It is very reasonable to suggest that an awful lot of Hollywood stars (and not just women) have skeletons in the closet regarding how they succeeded.

    And frankly, any 'artist' who betrayed their integrity by screwing a producer for a role needs to be named and shamed.

    We've seen reports that at least one actress was responsible for destroying the career of a male actor who warned her about Weinstein, not knowing that she was blowing him at the time.

    They are, at the very least, collaborators.


  • #1078
    Billy86
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    In terms of people involved in the movie Lucas there was Charlie Sheen, Jeremy Piven and Winona Ryder (though all three would have been teens, Ryder possibly a preteen during shooting) and the director was David Seltzer who is quite well known himself (in terms of his work). That said, it also could well have been someone near 'the top' of their part of the industry like DOP, makeup, staging, etc.

    As for Sheen, funny enough my girlfriend has actually worked with him and only had a lot of good things to say, including his being hugely respectful of everyone right down to runners and camera grips. Not to say that eliminates all possibility or anything, and 30 years is a long time to change, just figured it worth noting.


  • #1079
    Outlaw Pete
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well here we go with problems with what Corey Haim says. He would've been 10 in 1981. The film that SJP and RDJ met on was released in 1984.

    Well, he was born in December 1971 and as Firstborn would likely have been shot in 1983, he'd have been 11 throughout filming, so he could just be remembering a year out. Or maybe what he spoke of was just before filming. Sure seems odd for his parents to have allowed him to go off and live with an 17 year old actor and his girlfriend in New York at either age anyway. I remember his Dad made an appearance on The Two Coreys at one point and he hadn't seen him in years.


  • #1080
    A Little Pony
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    Candie wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »

    Rogan saying a lot of women in the business aren't saying anything because they did f*ck him for movie parts.

    So now even a woman who wasn't assaulted and has nothing to speak up about can have her very own shadow of suspicion following her around anyway - that she slept her way to success?

    I guess you just can't win.
    That's a bit naive. Lot's of them jump into bed with people like him to secure movie roles or just staying in the business in general.


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  • #1081
    tylercheribini
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That's a bit naive. Lot's of them jump into bed with people like him to secure movie roles or just staying in the business in general.

    I wonder how many women did the deed and he subsequently reneged on their deal.


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