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Parents smacking children to be banned in Scotland .....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Smacking never did me any harm. It was never very hard..like just a slap on the bum. It wasnt painful or anything but made you step back in line because of the shock. Thats how I remember it as a little kid
    I dont see anything wrong with it really. It does make some children who just wont listen behave

    Personally I think its extremely poor parenting method though. there are so many better ways to make children listen to you without resorting to physically hitting them. Using firm words and tone of voice will garner much better long term respect from a child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭shaunr68


    I'm not fond of children but have none of our own so don't really have an opinion about whether it is acceptable for other people to beat theirs. Back in the early 80s I was being my usual little bastard and my mother broke her toe on a door frame while trying to kick me up the arse! Her toe is still a funny shape. Goes to show that violence begets violence :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I got a smack when I deserved it as a child and I'd have no issue doing the same if I have kids in the future. No harm at all and an awful of little s*its now a days could do with a good smack.

    Yeh tbh ..Generally Im against parents hitting children but honestly seeing some of the entitled selfish insolent disrespectful little brats out in public is terrible..just thinking about how obnoixous their generation is going to be when grown up. Id rather violence in the household than adults with that self indulgent mentality ruling society:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Isn't it just a form of aversion therapy. Bold=smack. Good=no smack. Its behavior forming and also teaches children about actions and consequences.
    It's not really like aversion therapy because the "aversion" bit comes after the event, not during it. It also only works on a simple/specific level rather than for complex concepts like good/bad.

    Aversion therapy is more like, "hot thing=get burned".

    In terms of it being behaviour forming, if a child gets a smack for (e.g.) jumping on the couch, then the child only learns that jumping on the couch = get a smack. You're not teaching the child right/wrong/good/bad, you're not teaching them why they shouldn't jump on furniture, but rather that a specific activity results in a smack.

    So when the child starts jumping on the chairs in the back garden, you'll be flabbergasted that they didn't learn their lesson from the couch. Except that you didn't teach them that jumping on chairs was a bad thing in general, just that they weren't allowed jump on the couch specifically.

    Positive reinforcement has generally been proven to be a more effective way of teaching not only children but mammals in general. Our mammalian brain is wired to prioritise rewards. Thus rewarding good behaviour and not rewarding bad behaviour is far more effective than punishing bad behaviour and not punishing good.

    In the latter case, the person will still pursue bad behaviour if there's a potential reward, even at risk of punishment.

    But if you instead teach them that bad behaviour doesn't yield rewards, they're less likely to take the risk for it.

    Of course that doesn't mean bad behaviour should never have consequences. You want to teach them that not only is it not rewarding, but it's also detrimental, such that it's never worth the risk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭McTigs


    My ma was the Peter Stringer of the wooden spoon.... you'd duck and dodge and just as you thought you were away past you'd get this stinging whack on the back of the calve... aaaaargh!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I was at the receiving end of the wooden spoon as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    I wasn't smacked growing up...I don't smack my kids.

    As a kid I remember seeing a man holding his small child with their arm aloft and smacking them so hard their feet lifted off the ground while chanting "Do NOT hit your brother - we do not use violence" and looking up at my dad completely confused.

    There are plenty of ways of imposing consequences without assaulting someone a fraction of your strength and size and trying to coerce them out of fear. Lazy parenting imo...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    People giving out about bold kids, should remember, it's monkey see, monkey do.
    Scream and have hissy fits, and your child will do the same.
    It's all about parenting, not smacking or screaming.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    If anyone ever needed a good crack on the arse then its bonny johnny from Scotland.

    A nation should reserve the right to give its kids a good crack on the arse.

    It should be in the constitution and sh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭McTigs


    AnneFrank wrote: »
    People giving out about bold kids, should remember, it's monkey see, monkey do.
    Scream and have hissy fits, and your child will do the same.
    It's all about parenting, not smacking or screaming.
    not entirely true... one of my kids, while she is not bold per se, can absolutely lose her **** in spectacular fashion, i'm talking supernova.... neither me nor my wife have ever given her this example


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,369 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Isn't it just a form of aversion therapy. Bold=smack. Good=no smack. Its behavior forming and also teaches children about actions and consequences.

    Sure, so you are teaching them that the consequence of not resolving a dispute is violence. Not really a lesson to be teaching them. We all want to teach children about consequences. We are agreed there. It is WHICH consequences that is what the debate would be about.

    I will take (as I remember it) the post from another user some time ago on boards.ie about how he dealt with teeth brushing with his kids. It was on a thread a parent started that their child would not brush their teeth right.

    One resolution of that is smack your child upside the head as hard as it takes until the child consents to brush properly. Sure that is "consequences" but what is it teaching the child to do? To do the right thing for fear of violence? What about teaching them to do the right thing because it IS the right thing to do?

    The other resolution as the user I am paraphrasing offered it was that he stood with his children brushing with them and if they refused to do it right he basically kept gently admonishing them until brushing time was over. Then he let it go without a fuss or direct discipline or repercussions.

    The next day however they asked for sweets and stuff and he basically said "I would like to give you sweets but as you are refusing to deal with teeth brushing correctly, I can not in good conscience give you any as it would be the wrong thing for me to do knowing the harm it will cause your teeth". So it was a kind of Tom Cruise "Help me! To help you!" speech.

    The children went off sadly without sweets and pondered this. Damn sure they then stepped up their game at the next teeth brushing.

    So they learned consequences too. But they learned that to get what they want from others they must cooperate and offer the same in return. They learned the concept of doing what is right BECAUSE it is right (the father was refusing them sweets because the protection of their teeth was the right thing to do) and the situation was ultimately resolved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    McTigs wrote: »
    not entirely true... one of my kids, while she is not bold per se, can absolutely lose her **** in spectacular fashion, i'm talking supernova.... neither me nor my wife have ever given her this example

    haha you have my sympathy !
    I'm sure not all cases, such as yours, but a fairly high %, from what i've seen anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Ms Doubtfire1



    Were you smacked as a child? and would you as a parent smack your own children, or are there other ways to control naughty behaviour?

    yep and I deserved it and I fully understood why. The whole ' you can't smack your child' attitude is the softie softie approach the current psychologist force on parent. with as a result that many youngsters I encounter are such spoilt brats that expect everything and do nothing. Demanding and deserving. Lazy in many cases and disrespectful. And the next time some little punk is disrespectful to me I shall transgress and give him a smack around his or her ears.There is a HUGE difference between giving your child a slap around their ears for a very obvious transgression and being abusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Ms Doubtfire1



    Were you smacked as a child? and would you as a parent smack your own children, or are there other ways to control naughty behaviour?

    yep and I deserved it and I fully understood why. The whole ' you can't smack your child' attitude is the softie softie approach the current psychologist force on parent. with as a result that many youngsters I encounter are such spoilt brats that expect everything and do nothing. Demanding and deserving. Lazy in many cases and disrespectful. And the next time some little punk is disrespectful to me I shall transgress and give him a smack around his or her ears.There is a HUGE difference between giving your child a slap around their ears for a very obvious transgression and being abusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭cbyrd


    Akrasia wrote:
    We only banned it here a few years ago, but it has been culturally unacceptable for a lot longer


    We only made it illegal to smack a child in the home on December 12th last year :O


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The amount of scumbags on here promoting violence against children is disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    The amount of people on here referring to a slap as violence is hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    How do you enforce such a law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭PandaPoo


    I was hit twice, once by my mam and once by my dad. They both felt horrible after and hugged me and apologised. My dad had just lost his temper and lashed out. It was really out of character, my mam was a shouter so I was used to her being the disciplinarian but my dad was so gentle it completely shocked me.

    I won't be ever hitting my kids, I really think it has no place in society today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Grayson wrote: »
    Does this mean mammies can't wave a wooden spoon even if they have no intention of using it.

    It's the end of an era. Why would people even need wooden spoons now. The wooden spoon industry is dead.

    You're lucky your mam didn't use it.

    I can still feel it when I think about it. My mother beat the living hell out of my brother and me. Wooden spoons, belts, fist, doors into the face.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭exaisle


    I don't think anybody is advocating children getting beaten up here, but I wonder if there's any correlation between the reduction in corrective corporal punishment and the rise in anti-social behaviour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Hold on, I'll copy and paste my answer from the last few dozen threads on this.


  • Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The amount of scumbags on here promoting violence against children is disgusting.

    Nonsense, a bit of a smack is not violence. The nanny state PC bull is really getting ingrained in some people.

    Society would benefit a lot if there was few more snacks given out rather than allowing the scrotes develop that we have nowadays. Kids wouldnt be half as cheeky if they knew a smack on the arse was the result of their acting up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The amount of people on here referring to a slap as violence is hilarious.

    What is it then? Some sort of hug?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Nonsense, a bit of a smack is not violence. The nanny state PC bull is really getting ingrained in some people.

    Smack an adult walking down the street and you’ll find yourself facing an assault charge.

    But smacking a defenseless child. Grand, yeah?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    The amount of people on here referring to a slap as violence is hilarious.

    Tbf assult would be a closer word???


    If someone is resorting to having to hit children to intimadate them to behave,perhaps they shouldn't have them??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Kids wouldnt be half as cheeky if they knew a smack on the arse was the result of their acting up.

    Advocating the sexual assault of a child?

    Stay classy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,131 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Advocating the sexual assault of a child?

    Stay classy.

    I don't agree with smacking children myself but calling a smack on the bum sexual assault is going too far tbh. It clearly isn't.


  • Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Smack an adult walking down the street and you’ll find yourself facing an assault charge.

    But smacking a defenseless child. Grand, yeah?

    Its a totally nonsense comparison. You can't equate punching a stranger on the street to giving your own child a harmless clip on the ear or smack on the arse.

    Sure if I ran up and did a sliding tackle and flattened a person on the street I'd probably end up in trouble over it but do it in a match and it's just part of the game.
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Advocating the sexual assault of a child?

    Stay classy.

    I can't take you seriously with a comment like that. Bizarre comment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I blame Keith Flint

    Actually on second thoughts. given what I know about Scotland (mainly from the trainspotting documentary) they might just be making it illegal to give your kids smack


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