Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

18-10-2017 04:48PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And Jerry-Lee Lewis

or Brigitte Macron,France...

Ipso · 18-10-2017 05:13PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Times change. Its not that long ago, everyone thought it funny to laugh at a homosexual paedophile at work. Many still do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ

What was the Clint Eastwood movie where his character raped a woman by more or less walking up to her and dragging her into a barn?
High Plains Drifter or Hang 'em High

Ulysses Gaze · 18-10-2017 05:20PM

Ipso wrote: »

What was the Clint Eastwood movie where his character raped a woman by more or less walking up to her and dragging her into a barn?
High Plains Drifter or Hang 'em High

High Plains Drifter

goose2005 · 18-10-2017 05:35PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

High Plains Drifter

Eastwood's character is not meant to be a hero!

Ipso · 18-10-2017 05:40PM

I know ad it's a while since I seen it but thinking of it, it just doesn't sit very well now.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-10-2017 05:55PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

The jokes are still funny. Get over it. It's why people quote the movie over 30 yrs later.

Sure it is. The same way there were still people telling Weinstein 'Wow, you sure know how to get your way with the starlets - respect man', 'Dont go too hard on her!', 'Lets hear it for Hollywood's number one player', 'Harvey old pal, you really are incorrigible - if only I were as powerful in this town as you are', etc, etc.
Its simply the nature of changing values - society values change faster than those of individuals, and some people end up out of date and still in the obsolete mindset.

RabbleRouser2k · 18-10-2017 05:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Using that logic - the people coming forward are actors. Surely they could be acting about the whole thing.

No-but it's Brunker. Brunker tells us 'everything' about her life-she even went on a date with the ginger dude from Simply Red.
She got disgusted looks when she talked about designer vaginas on Ireland AM-or was it RTE? It was some after noon or morning show.

She overshares all the time-to a really, really disgusting and uncivilised level. Then whines and claims 'harassment' on the internet.
She could have spoken about this at any time. But it's arguable she may have liked the attention-or done a Glenda and hoped for a sugar daddy who'd buy her an expensive car and massive house. Rather than having to live at home with mom. Which she was, up until recent times.

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Sure it is. The same way there were still people telling Weinstein 'Wow, you sure know how to get your way with the starlets - respect man', 'Dont go too hard on her!', 'Lets hear it for Hollywood's number one player', 'Harvey old pal, you really are incorrigible - if only I were as powerful in this town as you are', etc, etc.
Its simply the nature of changing values - society values change faster than those of individuals, and some people end up out of date and still in the obsolete mindset.

Wow...just wow...the leaps in logic in the above...I can't make my brain go to those extremes. Can anyone make the above sound rational?

tylercheribini · 18-10-2017 06:06PM

Ipso wrote:

What was the Clint Eastwood movie where his character raped a woman by more or less walking up to her and dragging her into a barn? High Plains Drifter or Hang 'em High

goose2005 wrote:

Eastwood's character is not meant to be a hero!

Connery in Goldfinger too.

arayess · 18-10-2017 06:44PM

#metoo has descended into every 2 bit wanker complaining that somebody made a pass at them once...oh ffs.

it cheapens the suffering of people who were assaulted by media whoring gobsh1tes for their 2 mins of fame.

retro:electro · 18-10-2017 06:51PM

arayess wrote: »

#metoo has descended into every 2 bit wanker complaining that somebody made a pass at them once...oh ffs.

it cheapens the suffering of people who were assaulted by media whoring gobsh1tes for their 2 mins of fame.

It's the new ice bucket challenge

Assetbacked · 18-10-2017 07:11PM

If all one did was read media and talk online, you could be forgiven for thinking there was a crisis between men and women or men and women could no longer get along.

ceadaoin. · 18-10-2017 07:15PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

A number of gymnasts have come forward to alleged molestation or rape during the Olympics.
One of whom is McKayla Maroney. Happened often, too, including the night before her Silver medal and iconic 'Mckayla's not impressed' image. Adds a dark undertone to that photo.
But what is disturbing to me with her case (and a russian olympian too) is they name their abuser. I'm uneasy with viglilanteism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/18/mckayla-maroney-says-usa-gymnastics-team-doctor-began-molesting-her-at-the-age-of-13/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.19805bdbc475

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The guy is a convicted sex offender and is already in jail awaiting trial for 22 counts of abuse so there's no need to be worried about vigilanteism. So far over 100 victims have come forward. Personally, what I find disturbing about the case is that he was able to abuse so many girls and for so long, not that he has been named.

Also we had people on this thread criticising victims of HW for not coming forward and naming him sooner. This person has named her abuser and she is also being criticised. They can't win, clearly they should just keep their mouths shut forever eh?

pjohnson · 18-10-2017 07:43PM

arayess wrote: »

#metoo has descended into every 2 bit wanker complaining that somebody made a pass at them once...oh ffs.

it cheapens the suffering of people who were assaulted by media whoring gobsh1tes for their 2 mins of fame.

Yes hashtags are not in the slightest bit cheap by themselves.

Jurgen Klopp · 18-10-2017 07:47PM

marienbad wrote: »

You consider this cultural hegemony ? Get a grip . Most of the world is controlled by right wing governments or dictators , with the EU about the only hold out , and even that is being assailed from within. And most of those governments and dictators have no problem with lying and worse to maintain their power .

And you see 'the Clinton Crime Syndicate ' and a dozen women visiting Google as indicators of the end of days !

As I say get a grip and may the force be with them ( they will need it )

The EU as the fair and gleaming becon of hope in the world and it's self implosion is the cause of right wing assaults from within? As opposed to the likes of the push for control of a United States of Europe which no one wants, a single EU army which they also want the French (and the British before leaving) to give control of their nukes to Brussels military command and then Nana Merkel flooding the continent with economic migrants which no one asked or wanted? Yeah it's all the right wings fault

Jesus wept :pac:

18-10-2017 07:49PM

Stay silent and you're complicit.

Speak up and you're an attention seeker.

Stand together finding safety in numbers and you're jumping on a bandwagon.

Feel unable for any number of reasons to name your abuser and you're a hypocrite.

Women, eh?

marienbad · 18-10-2017 07:50PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The EU as the fair and gleaming becon of hope in the world and it's self implosion is the cause of right wing assaults from within? As opposed to the likes of the push for control of a United States of Europe which no one wants, a single EU army which they also want the French (and the British before leaving) to give control of their nukes to Brussels military command and then Nana Merkel flooding the continent with economic migrants which no one asked or wanted? Yeah it's all the right wings fault

Jesus wept :pac:

Who said the EU is the beacon of hope ? Talk about seeing what isn't there , Jesus wept indeed .

Junkyard Tom · 18-10-2017 08:17PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The EU as the fair and gleaming becon of hope in the world and it's self implosion is the cause of right wing assaults from within?

Is this some sort of fantasy novel you're writing? How is the EU imploding? If Britain is anything to go by leaving the EU is implosion from within caused by a spat within Britain's right-wing Tory party and it hasn't even left yet.

As opposed to the likes of the push for control of a United States of Europe which no one wants

If nobody wants it then it won't happen regardless of who tries to push for it.

a single EU army which they also want

I don't think some sort of joint EU defence force is such a bad idea. I'd like to see NATO out of Europe and for Europe to take care of its own defence.

the French (and the British before leaving) to give control of their nukes to Brussels military command and

Conspiracy theories forum that-a-way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

then Nana Merkel flooding the continent with economic migrants which no one asked or wanted?

Wasn't the reason for this population decline and a lack of workers in Germany? Is that left-wing? Also, can you remember who it was that helped wreck Iraq, Libya and Syria? Is western supplying of Islamist nut-jobs 'left-wing'?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 18-10-2017 08:50PM

This story was reported in the Myrtle Beach online paper today:

84 kids rescued, 120 human traffickers arrested in FBI sting, some at MB hotel

Eighty-four children were rescued — including one as young as 3 months old — and 120 human traffickers were arrested in a nationwide undercover operation that involved a Myrtle Beach hotel.

In South Carolina, the three-day operation Oct. 12-15 focused on undercover stings in Myrtle Beach and Columbia.

Three women were arrested and charged with prostitution last week in a joint FBI/Myrtle Beach Police Department operation at the Hilton Garden Inn near Coastal Grand Mall.

Capt. David Knipes with MBPD said the arrests came as part of the FBI’s operation on the evening of Oct. 13.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article179497181.html

84 children rescued, and barely a word in the media...

18-10-2017 09:25PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I just think she had plenty time before now to come out and share her story, why now and she didn't name and shame the person either, maybe I just think she is cynical and a hypocrite given her previous comments

While I get what you mean, most of the people coming forward are from historical cases and some haven't named their abuser. Does that mean they shouldn't? Like I said, I don't like here - I don't hate her either, but the kind of attitude people are having would put anyone off coming forward... and that's not right.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

This story was reported in the Myrtle Beach online paper today:

84 kids rescued, 120 human traffickers arrested in FBI sting, some at MB hotel

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article179497181.html

84 children rescued, and barely a word in the media...

What does this have to do with this thread or are you using this place as a dump for random articles?

Wibbs · 18-10-2017 09:52PM

Candie wrote: »

Stay silent and you're complicit.

Speak up and you're an attention seeker.

Stand together finding safety in numbers and you're jumping on a bandwagon.

Feel unable for any number of reasons to name your abuser and you're a hypocrite.

Women, eh?

Sure C there is an element to that alright, but there also seems to be an element of meme/fashion/bandwagon/attention seeking with some. Especially those who's job depends on getting column inches.

That said I would rather have ten nutters/notice boxes looking for attention on this if a hundred real deals feel safe about telling their story. The real deals will prove to be enlightening, hoepfully cathartic and hopefully lead to more digging and even more hopefully more greasy bastards being called out and caught.

Outlaw Pete · 18-10-2017 10:51PM

A little context perhaps, Candie, to what you're referencing:

Candie wrote: »

Stay silent U]after pocketing a $100,000 to not report a rape[/U and you're complicit.

Speak up U]about a man merely writing his hotel number on a cigarette packet suggesting it somehow belongs in the same conversation as women who have being sexually assaulted and threatened with career ruin[/U and you're an attention seeker.

Stand together finding safety in numbers u]when it's clear from your Twitter / Facebook / Blog that this is one of your pastimes[/u and you're jumping on a bandwagon.

Feel unable for any number of reasons to name your abuser u]such as keeping schtum is good for your career[/u and you're a hypocrite.

[*Some*] Women, eh?

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-10-2017 10:55PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Wow...just wow...the leaps in logic in the above...I can't make my brain go to those extremes. Can anyone make the above sound rational?

Some clearly cannot. This is my point. Some people change and understand that what was once acceptable can become no longer acceptable. The below is the same:it is simply not OK to laugh at a joke which without batting an eyelid refers to 'b***k' men:

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Let's not forget, the movie also has this joke.

It is the same syndrome that has continued to condone the abuse of women, and the suppression of their ability to speak out about it.

RabbleRouser2k · 18-10-2017 11:14PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The guy is a convicted sex offender and is already in jail awaiting trial for 22 counts of abuse so there's no need to be worried about vigilanteism. So far over 100 victims have come forward. Personally, what I find disturbing about the case is that he was able to abuse so many girls and for so long, not that he has been named.

Also we had people on this thread criticising victims of HW for not coming forward and naming him sooner. This person has named her abuser and she is also being criticised. They can't win, clearly they should just keep their mouths shut forever eh?

If she wants justice, go to the courts-go to the legal systems. Going to the media will often do more damage than good-a judge may find a jury was not impartial, thus allowing an abuser to walk. (I was not aware of the trial ongoing).

Did you read the Russian gymnasts account? Her alleged rape took place in 1990, 27 years ago. I don't know about anyone else, but a statute of limitations is more than likely in place there. Coming forward may give her peace, but it also sets her up for a potential lawsuit. She named her rapist, by name-the article named where he works, his gymnasium etc. Britain allows for historical rape/ abuse cases-the Russian gymnast's case probably does not.

I'm not condemning women speaking up-but when it's a case of 'it's too late for justice' (hard as that my be to accept) then naming and shaming can cause more problems for the victim than it does for the rapist.

Outlaw Pete · 18-10-2017 11:23PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It is the same syndrome that has continued to condone the abuse of women, and the suppression of their ability to speak out about it.

Oh cut the bull.

All week I have been reading about this, watching news reports, listening to radio shows and talking to people about it too and not once have I heard anyone condone the behaviour of Harvey Weinstein. I've heard a few people question if one or two involved are being 100% honest alright but with regards to the 30+ other women who have complained about how Weinstein mistreated then, and who they 100% believe) every single person I have heard express an opinion on it is disgusted that he abused his power the way he did.

The notion that society tolerated this is a BS! Sure, we have laughed at the notion of the casting couch for years but only in consensual sense where someone would throw themselves at a director perhaps but I don't think anyone ever felt that it would be hilarious if someone, who had their heart on making it in Hollywood, was threatened with never working in the industry unless they sexually complied.

People did enable this though (members of his staff who were sooooooooooo appalled by his behaviour that they agreed to keep quiet for pay) which is why I find it infuriating when people say we should only focus on Harvey Weinstein. The simple fact is that he could not do this without people looking the other way and as much as we need to keep shaming the actions of men like Harvey (as I feel we always have done) we also need to shame the enabling of anyone who behaves like he did. As if the actions of those people aren't condemned also, then there will surely be more Harveys down the line.

Billy86 · 18-10-2017 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What does this have to do with this thread or are you using this place as a dump for random articles?

I'm at a bit of a loss there as well, had thought maybe Myrtle Beach is out by Santa Monica or one of the coastal areas near Hollywood... but it's 2,500 miles away over in South Carolina?

This whole thread has gone pretty weird the last few days to be honest.

RabbleRouser2k · 18-10-2017 11:37PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Some clearly cannot. This is my point. Some people change and understand that what was once acceptable can become no longer acceptable. The below is the same:it is simply not OK to laugh at a joke which without batting an eyelid refers to 'b***k' men:

You missed the joke again-and since when is 'black' an expletive? It's not racist to say 'black' the same way it's not racist to say 'white'. And again, you missed the joke-it's a little girl talking about the guys she dates-language that would get a 'ya wha?' look when said by an adult. And a empty speech bubble in the scene I posted. When the dialogue comes from a little girl, it's funny.

It is the same syndrome that has continued to condone the abuse of women, and the suppression of their ability to speak out about it.

If you're referring to Weinstein and Hollywood-the guy had power, he abused that power. He literally slammed actors into walls in front of Hillary Clinton and her friends-and nothing happened to him. He suppressed everyone.
Some company's-Cartoon Network, for one-are far quicker to act. CN has recently suspended the creator of one of their hit shows (Loud House) for sexual harassment. And it's not the first time they've acted in cases of harassment. Many women spoke of being harassed/ objectified by women-just listen to J-Law's discussion of it.

RabbleRouser2k · 18-10-2017 11:58PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh cut the bull.

All week I have been reading about this, watching news reports, listening to radio shows and talking to people about it too and not once have I heard anyone condone the behaviour of Harvey Weinstein. I've heard a few people question if one or two involved are being 100% honest alright but with regards to the 30+ other women who have complained about how Weinstein mistreated then, and who they 100% believe) every single person I have heard express an opinion on it is disgusted that he abused his power the way he did.

The notion that society tolerated this is a BS! Sure, we have laughed at the notion of the casting couch for years but only in consensual sense where someone would throw themselves at a director perhaps but I don't think anyone ever felt that it would be hilarious if someone, who had their heart on making it in Hollywood, was threatened with never working in the industry unless they sexually complied.

People did enable this though (members of his staff who were sooooooooooo appalled by his behaviour that they agreed to keep quiet for pay) which is why I find it infuriating when people say we should only focus on Harvey Weinstein. The simple fact is that he could not do this without people looking the other way and as much as we need to keep shaming the actions of men like Harvey (as I feel we always have done) we also need to shame the enabling of anyone who behaves like he did. As if the actions of those people aren't condemned also, then there will surely be more Harveys down the line.

I find it interesting how many women haven't spoken up-sort of like 'they played the game, are embarassed to be found out'. Blake Lively spoke about a photographer, but not Harvey (terrible misdirection) and Olivia Wilde and Gretchen Mol seemed to be Harvey's call girls-note how some mentioned he was going to 'set up a threesome with Olivia Wilde' while Cara Delevigne didn't mention Olivia, but spoke about meeting Harvey and another woman being in the room.
There were many, many enablers for HW. And many who were trying to get the big gigs and would do anything to do so. For all the voices who've spoken up, there has been a large swell of silence in many other cases.

bodice ripper · 19-10-2017 12:41AM

arayess wrote:

#metoo has descended into every 2 bit wanker complaining that somebody made a pass at them once...oh ffs.

I used it. It's happened to me more once. Should I have kept it to myself lest some 2 bit wanker not believe me?

Assetbacked · 19-10-2017 12:55AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

I used it. It's happened to me more once. Should I have kept it to myself lest some 2 bit wanker not believe me?

This point you've just made makes no sense as against the post you quoted. Who said anything about not believing you? What have you achieved with the hashtag and twitter blogging?

pjohnson · 19-10-2017 08:24AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

This point you've just made makes no sense as against the post you quoted. Who said anything about not believing you? What have you achieved with the hashtag and twitter blogging?

Anything other than 10000% agreement instantly equals you dont believe them.

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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