So this Hurricane

pjohnson · 17-10-2017 12:30PM

Bambi wrote: »

Yes but obviously people know not to worry about you as your impressive qualifications are visible from shore, Along with your massive head

Here's the deal, When a red weather warning is in place just stay out of the ****ing sea.

Bunch of twats

Who needs Met Eireann when we have kite surfers

nice_guy80 · 17-10-2017 12:31PM

the ex hurricane changed course and went up the west coast instead of overland.
it passed just outside the aran islands. they are very used to bad weather and storms

if it had followed its presumed course it would have caused much more damage up the middle of the country

we were lucky
apart from those who lost their lives and those who suffered damage to property

Billy86 · 17-10-2017 12:34PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I wonder would all the idiots commenting on facebook try and lecture pilots about when its safe to fly? I doubt they would. But the reality is they know as much about kite surfing as they do about flying planes.

Anyone who owns a private plane or helicopter and decided to go out in it yesterday is an idiot too.

Luckily it pretty much avoided Dublin, but even then I'm near the bottom of the Wicklow mountains, the back garden is covered by houses in almost every direction, and there's a REALLY tall line of trees at the end of the neighbourhood a few houses down that also seemed to be breaking up the wind nicely... and out for a smoke in the afternoon, I still got one particular whack of wind that nearly took me off my feet. With wind travelling at potentially up to 200kmph, if you're out at sea you can easily get caught out and not have time to respond.

It would be great if rescue services would take a policy of flat out not helping those people even if they were in serious danger, and the same for the swimmer in Galway, but that's just not in a rescue workers makeup. People caught with that carry on in a code red warning should be heavily fined in my opinion.

qwerty ui op · 17-10-2017 12:45PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The old guy swimming in Galway was being wreckless. But the kite surfers in Dalkey are getting unfair abuse imo. They didn't call the rescue services because they were never in difficulty. Someone saw them out in the sea and assumed they were in danger and called the emergency services. Although the onlooker was obviously well intentioned they probably shouldn't have made the call, this was earlier in the day before the storm was at it's worst in Dublin and those would be fairly standard conditions for kite surfing and wind surfing.

You're missing the point. Supposing it was business as usual the chance of you actually being killed as you go about your day would still be low, that said, it would be many many times higher than a normal day! That's what the red warning and staying indoors was all about, just because you survived the walk or the swim, it doesn't mean ****, the more people that act like this the more acceptable it becomes which results in more serious injuries and deaths.

The Talking Bread · 17-10-2017 12:51PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The old guy swimming in Galway was being wreckless. But the kite surfers in Dalkey are getting unfair abuse imo. They didn't call the rescue services because they were never in difficulty. Someone saw them out in the sea and assumed they were in danger and called the emergency services. Although the onlooker was obviously well intentioned they probably shouldn't have made the call, this was earlier in the day before the storm was at it's worst in Dublin and those would be fairly standard conditions for kite surfing and wind surfing.

Nonsense, any other day and those Kite surfers would have been ignored but the Emergency services would be completely expected to take no risks yesterday and it was a waste of time, resources and risk by putting them into a position like that.

The Rescue services were on high alert and these so called "experts" wouldn't be ignorant to that. It is not the danger of it, as you said, very little chance of them being in difficulty, but it is the waste of resources.

365 days a year, yes, most of those don't suit the "hobby" but yesterday was not the day to go out.

It was attention seeking more than anything else.

valoren · 17-10-2017 12:57PM

We live near the sea in Cork. We see some spectacular waves even when there is some gusts about. It's not everyday we get hurricane level wind speeds. The appeal of seeing the sea yesterday was huge for me.

I can only imagine what the waves were like yesterday because there was no way in hell I was going outside the door unless it was absolutely necessary or if we had an emergency.

When you get a level red warning from people whose job it is to predict the weather then you listen to them when they say stay inside and leave the ego at the door.

The Talking Bread · 17-10-2017 12:59PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I'd agree with the kitesurfers they shouldnt have been stopped. The emergency services shouldnt be wasting time on stupidity. If the kite surfers know best then good luck to them and though shit if they turn out to be wrong.

The emergency services should focus on serious issues.

It is their job. Unfortunately their job doesn't allow them to decide who or who not deserves rescuing or attending to.

mcgiggles · 17-10-2017 01:00PM

RoboRat wrote:

I find it a bit hypocritical to see comments about these people being selfish and risking lives from people who have no problem with getting absolutely blind drunk at the weekend.

Sorting out drunk people at the weekend is NOT equal to flying helicopters in hurricane strength winds to rescue an idiot that decided to go swimming!

whisky_galore · 17-10-2017 01:11PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

but yesterday was not the day to go out.

It was attention seeking more than anything else.

That's it. Yesterday was not the day.

You can have your Go Pro/Instagram moment some other time.

m17 · 17-10-2017 01:12PM

Turners cross this morning

branie2 · 17-10-2017 01:15PM

I just stayed inside all the time.

MadYaker · 17-10-2017 01:19PM

Bambi wrote: »

Yes but obviously people know not to worry about you as your impressive qualifications are visible from shore, Along with your massive head

Here's the deal, When a red weather warning is in place just stay out of the ****ing sea.

Bunch of twats

See this is the kind of nasty ignorance I'm talking about.

I don't think it's the kite surfers fault that somebody else who wasn't able to assess the situation properly called the coast guard and I don't think they should be held responsible. The conditions seen off the coast of dublin yesterday would not be unusal of the coast of kerry and people regularly go out in them. If we followed that line of reasoning then extreme sports would be banned.

Id be in favour of restricting emergency services during red weather warnings. I can't speak for all surfers but if me and my group think there is a chance were going to have to call the coast guard we stay at home but that said I have surfed during severe weather warnings multiple times. With experience and training you get pretty good at assessing conditions and minimising risk to an acceptable level whereby if things go badly wrong we can deal with it ourselves.

Purple Mountain · 17-10-2017 01:28PM

Great to be back online.
Lost power and landline and mobile phone coverage was dodgy for last 24hours.
I live in Tipperary and Darwin for us was much worse. When you've seen that you've seen the worst!
Saying that we went to bed last night in relative calm, but seemingly in the night it kicked off again and next doors trampoline went flying across the garden. I heard nothing!
It just shows how quickly things kick off.

mcgrath1992 · 17-10-2017 01:34PM

damn the weather changes is crazy...hurricane yesterday and 24hrs later its a day for the beach! luckily my power never went out

Ms Doubtfire1 · 17-10-2017 01:35PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Bambi wrote: »

Yes but obviously people know not to worry about you as your impressive qualifications are visible from shore, Along with your massive head

Here's the deal, When a red weather warning is in place just stay out of the ****ing sea.

Bunch of twats

See this is the kind of nasty ignorance I'm talking about.

I don't think it's the kite surfers fault that somebody else who wasn't able to assess the situation properly called the coast guard and I don't think they should be held responsible. The conditions seen off the coast of dublin yesterday would not be unusal of the coast of kerry and people regularly go out in them. If we followed that line of reasoning then extreme sports would be banned.

Id be in favour of restricting emergency services during red weather warnings. I can't speak for all surfers but if me and my group think there is a chance were going to have to call the coast guard we stay at home but that said I have surfed during severe weather warnings multiple times. With experience and training you get pretty good at assessing conditions and minimising risk to an acceptable level whereby if things go badly wrong we can deal with it ourselves.

Thats not the point. The point is that it's the Lifeguards DUTY to go out to save YOU. THEY don't know what you know.Furthermore, because they have to go out and save the kite/surfers/swimmers stupid *** someone else , who actually needs it, dies. well done you. Weather code red??? stay out off the OCEAN.You may not endanger yourselves. But, due to the very line of work the emergency services are doing, you ARE endangering others.Directly and indirectly. Simples.

PARlance · 17-10-2017 01:46PM

RoboRat wrote: »

Whilst I understand why people are annoyed at people for swimming, kite surfing etc it's no different to people who get drunk out of their mind every weekend, take drugs or drink drive and stretch the emergency services, often at the expense of people who need medical attention who have not brought it onto themselves.

I find it a bit hypocritical to see comments about these people being selfish and risking lives from people who have no problem with getting absolutely blind drunk at the weekend.

I don't condone not support those who took risks yesterday but I think there is a massive degree of hypocrisy floating about.

I wouldn't have a whole pile of sympathy for either but a drunk idiot mightn't be an idiot without drink.

The Talking Bread · 17-10-2017 01:48PM

MadYaker wrote: »

See this is the kind of nasty ignorance I'm talking about.

I don't think it's the kite surfers fault that somebody else who wasn't able to assess the situation properly called the coast guard and I don't think they should be held responsible. The conditions seen off the coast of dublin yesterday would not be unusal of the coast of kerry and people regularly go out in them. If we followed that line of reasoning then extreme sports would be banned.

Id be in favour of restricting emergency services during red weather warnings. I can't speak for all surfers but if me and my group think there is a chance were going to have to call the coast guard we stay at home but that said I have surfed during severe weather warnings multiple times. With experience and training you get pretty good at assessing conditions and minimising risk to an acceptable level whereby if things go badly wrong we can deal with it ourselves.

You don't get it.
The country was on high alert yesterday, rescue officers were on high alert, the people were on high alert, any sign of potential danger is going to receive an exacerbated reaction by all concerned.

You are looking at it in a completely different and dare I say, ignorant perspective. (that isn't me baiting you, I mean ignorant in a "you don't get the point, here manner)

You are saying, I know what I am doing, so sod the country whose majority of population was on edge yesterday due to the massive publicity of this storm, worst in decades and decades.

Then people hear of deaths, it puts the fear of God into them as to the potential strength of the storm.

Sure, they are just as ignorant as to the dangers, or lack thereof, concerned but you should know perfectly well that people were going to react this way when they see anyone "putting themselves at any risk...........and yes, any extreme sport concerns some risk, (that is the nature of it and why people are attracted to it)

Imagine that person walking by you, going by the assumption that you are an expert, and hearing later that something did happen. That would play on their conscience for ever.

If ever there was a suitable use of the phrase, "better be safe than sorry", it was yesterday.

As I also said, Rescue Officers are obliged to respond to any such call, and the fact you are an expert, as you say, makes the pointless but obligatory waste of resources all the more ridiculous.

If you were out on another day, it may even be worse conditions, noone would blink an eye really at your participation but the degree of paranoia that escalated, whether exaggerated in many locations or not, lent itself to different state of mind for people yesterday.

josip · 17-10-2017 02:15PM

From what I saw, I think the swimmer in Galway was irresponsible.
The windsurfers in Dundalk I don't have an opinion on, but conditions were much more benign there at the time than elsewhere. Are these the same people that posters are referring to as kitesurfers in Dundalk/Dalkey?

I went out for a walk with my son yesterday morning in Dublin.
At the time it was windy, but less so than at many times during last winter that didn't even warrant a colour from ME.
It would have been extremely irresponsible for us to go out in Cork at that time.
But conditions in Dublin were very different and safer at that time.
I talked to him about nature, winds, storms and gave him pointers on where to walk/not to walk, what to watch out for, etc
Then we came home and stayed inside for the rest of the day.
Between the weather thread here on boards and ME, we had lots of accurate information we could understand and follow, to keep us safe.
If we hadn't been able to understand that information, we would have followed the advice to stay inside all day yesterday.

freshpopcorn · 17-10-2017 02:24PM

Going out swimming/kite surfing/etc yesterday to me is a bit like a when you encounter a member of the Gardai/emergency services on the road/street and they ask you turn back/take another route and some people barges past them.
People were told to avoid certain activities for a certain few hours and they refused! It's just rudeness/stubbornness to extent!

retro:electro · 17-10-2017 02:26PM

When we have a national status red alert and you do stupid sh!t like that you should be charged with reckless endangerment.
If someone I loved died rescuing those two plonkers in salthill I'd literally be fit to kill.

begbysback · 17-10-2017 02:40PM

I believe part of the misunderstanding may have been caused by applying a blanket code red all over the country, i can only speak for myself and will say that where I am it was not unsafe to go outside, well it's pretty rough around here at times, so no more unsafe than usual.

freshpopcorn · 17-10-2017 02:41PM

I'm watching the Today show and they were discussing the roof getting blown off the school in Douglas. It was part of the gym/hall and when the students used be playing badminton the shuttlecocks used get stuck in the ceiling and when the roof got blown off they all landed on the ground!

Harry Palmr · 17-10-2017 04:04PM

My windows are absolutely filthy since the storm.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-10-2017 04:11PM

We were really lucky, no damage to property whatsoever and only lost power for about 90mins (N.Tipp). I was home from work at lunch time and slept through the worst of it.

I feel for the parts of the country which took the brunt of the storm and hope that the clean up operations and the power restorations go smoothly.

BoatMad · 17-10-2017 04:22PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

the ex hurricane changed course and went up the west coast instead of overland.
it passed just outside the aran islands. they are very used to bad weather and storms

if it had followed its presumed course it would have caused much more damage up the middle of the country

we were lucky
apart from those who lost their lives and those who suffered damage to property

The ECMWF model had it progressing up the west coast , The greatest winds by the way are not near the centre. The damage was greatest in south facing coasts. The greatest wind speeds are quite a ways to the east of the centre , which is why Dublin had damage while inland was often not as bad

BoatMad · 17-10-2017 04:24PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

It is their job. Unfortunately their job doesn't allow them to decide who or who not deserves rescuing or attending to.

nor should it ever be. A mark of a free society is we allow people to willingly put their life in danger.

Its a further mark of an advanced society, that we also provide a rescue service that attempts to extricate them for the consequences of that "willingness"

long may that continue

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-10-2017 04:27PM

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BoatMad · 17-10-2017 04:29PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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no more then the ones out walking the dog along a tree lined avenue ?, or the many selfies taken on beaches

last time I looked there were no trees in the sea all the fatalities were on the land !

Harry Palmr · 17-10-2017 04:42PM

BoatMad wrote: »

no more then the ones out walking the dog along a tree lined avenue ?, or the many selfies taken on beaches

last time I looked there were no trees in the sea all the fatalities were on the land !

1 idiot in the sea in bother = a crew of people put in danger. I'd hold the same view on the tossers who go hiking in T shirts up mountains cos it's sunny when they start out.

BoatMad · 17-10-2017 04:51PM

a crew of people put in danger

First off, rescue professionals do not put them selves in "danger". They are highly trained and have SOPs that are designed to allow them to carry out activities in conditions that others will as dangerous.

Nor can the "danger" of an activity be accessed by the simple fact that the rescue agencies were activated. If that was the case wed be billing huge numbers of "false alert with god intent "people that called the rescue agencies out each year.

the reality is none of the people in the water yesterday ( including many swimmers in Dublin )needed rescuing, the alert was actually a " false alarm "

( one of the many , actually the majority of callouts are FAs )

I am a former chairman of a lifeboat station

So this Hurricane

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