So this Hurricane

murpho999 · 16-10-2017 10:34PM

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Bit harsh that, unless you're privy to the exact circumstances surrounding the 3 deaths, you can't really claim anyone disregarded anything.

The advice was to stay at home. Very clear cut.

The fact is if people went out for whatever reason then they're not following the advice.

GFish · 16-10-2017 10:40PM

murpho999 wrote: »

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It's based on a risk assessment and calls were made to minimise risk and try to keep people safe.

Sadly 3 people, who ultimately chose to disregard the advice, have paid the ultimate price.
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How callous can anybody be - in ignorance of the facts - than this?
I'm guessing you have no idea why those people were out doing what they were doing but you can judge them like that.

Shame, shame, shame

Gumbo · 16-10-2017 10:40PM

jon1981 wrote: »

I think met eireann were afraid of getting it wrong and just put the whole country under red alert. Costly move, is it lazy weather forecasting or was it just that unpredictable?

I think the wind in north Dublin is far worse now.

Also, while i criticize the forecasting, had the scaremongering not taken place i feel many more would have been killed or seriously injured. Some large trees came down in parts of Dublin that would be along very busy pedestrian paths.

It’s not that it wasn’t as bad as first thought in Dublin at least, but the fact that it had the potential to be devastating. Can you imagine how busy the streets would be if everything was open as normal, all the extra kids, cars, pedestrians etc

In fairness to the government, if they close everything and nothing happens then people moan. If they close nothing and something does happen then people moan too.

Also, wind is a lot worse now in Dublin 11 than today. Not so much the speed, but the constant blowing now rather than gusts earlier.

jon1981 · 16-10-2017 10:42PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The advice was to stay at home. Very clear cut.

The fact is if people went out for whatever reason then they're not following the advice.

Not everyone had that luxury.

Elderly Care workers? Medical staff commuting to work? A worried parent rushing a kid to hospital?

murpho999 · 16-10-2017 10:43PM

GFish wrote: »

How callous can anybody be - in ignorance of the facts - than this?
I'm guessing you have no idea why those people were out doing what they were doing but you can judge them like that.

Shame, shame, shame

Ah stop with your faux outrage.

Advice today was not to go out. If you want out you ignored the advice regardless of the circumstances.

It's not a judgement it's a fact.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-10-2017 10:44PM

It's all happening in Dublin now! Serious gusts.

Noveight · 16-10-2017 10:45PM

Nothing to report here after the day. Walked out across the yard 2-3 times to feel the strength of the wind, frightening at times what nature can do.

A Battered Mars Bar · 16-10-2017 10:45PM

Ok guys hang in there. We can get through this together. If anyone is in dire need and stuck for supplies. I've 4 tins of baked beans and a tin of mackerel spare in my rations. I've no idea how to get it to any poor unfortunate though. I'm well prepared with a high viz, and hard hat. I've filled the kettle, 6 water bottles and 2 saucepans as well. 2 and half more hours and we're clear!

RayM · 16-10-2017 10:45PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The advice was to stay at home. Very clear cut.

The fact is if people went out for whatever reason then they're not following the advice.

People make mistakes. Sometimes their obligations (work, etc) make them feel that they have no choice but to take a risk. I took a risk and drove this afternoon because it "didn't look that bad" when I was leaving the house, and I figured that there was a 99% chance that I'd get home safely anyway. I'd say most of those people left their houses feeling the same way.

murpho999 · 16-10-2017 10:46PM

jon1981 wrote: »

Not everyone had that luxury.

Elderly Care workers? Medical staff commuting to work? A worried parent rushing a kid to hospital?

Except none of those circumstances you mentioned applied

No, one person was travelling with their mother.

Another was out on a road where trees were falling with a chainsaw.

The third fatality was driving home from work.

How can you argue that this is not against the advice given?

murpho999 · 16-10-2017 10:48PM

RayM wrote: »

People make mistakes. Sometimes their obligations (work, etc) make them feel that they have no choice but to take a risk. I took a risk and drove this afternoon because it "didn't look that bad" when I was leaving the house, and I figured that there was a 99% chance that I'd get home safely anyway. I'd say most of those people left their houses feeling the same way.

So, do you agree that you went against the national advice given of staying indoors?

Christy42 · 16-10-2017 10:49PM

maryishere wrote: »

I thought the media, RTE and TV3, done an appalling job today. Very amateurish and little real information on wind speed / direction in the different areas. As you say, you could see some of the reporters around the country (like the ones in Limerick and Sligo) desperately trying to find some minor damage to mention just so they could join in the narrative.
I agree "closing all the schools again tomorrow, a total overreaction. Again, some schools undoubtedly needed to be shut, but to impose this disaster management on areas where there was no disaster is just overkill."

Easier and clearer message. Schools closing for another day is not the end of the world. Annoying for some families obviously. Especially as less will have at least one parent home tomorrow as far less will the day off.

However back up services will be at max and so if an area with lighter winds did suffer damage it will be harder to get it cleaned up. There is also the issue of being sure of which areas where not affected badly at any point during the day without going in to check the schools individually which will only happen tomorrow. Easier for parents if they can at least plan for it and not have something missed. It is also not just the schools, you don't want to be encouraging too much traffic down roads which may or may not be blocked or to have a school that needs emergency power because a line is down nearby (even if the school is fine structurally).

It would also be a lot of work and someone would need to be in charge of the decision for each area with a decent chunk of data. This decisions removes a lot of potential errors from being made.

As for the forecasting, every school really had to be closed today. Weather events move out of the expected path frequently and this thing was so big that could make a massive difference. Better safe than sorry given the risks involved. Remember thus thing hit the entire country, some more than others but still. To predict which schools should to be left open you would need to predict the course pretty accurately and which bits will stay beneath certain levels guaranteed. That is simply beyond our technological capabilities.

RayM · 16-10-2017 10:57PM

murpho999 wrote: »

So, do you agree that you went against the national advice given of staying indoors?

Totally, but no harm was done. And that's why people take these risks - because they calculate the chance of something awful happening is tiny (especially if they drive carefully, etc). I'd say half the gravestones in the country could, for one reason or another, be engraved with the words "I didn't think it would happen to me".

murpho999 · 16-10-2017 11:02PM

RayM wrote: »

Totally, but no harm was done. And that's why people take these risks - because they calculate the chance of something awful happening is tiny (especially if they drive carefully, etc). I'd say half the gravestones in the country could, for one reason or another, be engraved with the words "I didn't think it would happen to me".

Yes, but my point is the people who sadly died today, regardless of their circumstances went against the advice and took the risk and paid the ultimate price.

I don't see why people are arguing against the fact that they went against the official advice. It's a fact not a judgement as some people here are reading it as.

GFish · 16-10-2017 11:05PM

RayM wrote: »

It can be fun sometimes when people don't 'get' a stupid obscure joke, but not if people are genuinely offended or upset. I'd like to apologise to anyone who was.

Fun for who?
I didn't 'get' your joke, I was genuinely offended and I 'hear' your apology.

RayM · 16-10-2017 11:14PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, but my point is the people who sadly died today, regardless of their circumstances went against the advice and took the risk and paid the ultimate price.

I don't see why people are arguing against the fact that they went against the official advice. It's a fact not a judgement as some people here are reading it as.

To be fair, it reads a bit like a judgement, but I accept that might not have been your intention.

Arsemageddon · 16-10-2017 11:20PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, but my point is the people who sadly died today, regardless of their circumstances went against the advice and took the risk and paid the ultimate price.

I don't see why people are arguing against the fact that they went against the official advice. It's a fact not a judgement as some people here are reading it as.

You have made your point.

Any chance you could now just shut the fvck up?

One_Of_Shanks · 16-10-2017 11:33PM

Noveight wrote: »

Nothing to report here after the day. Walked out across the yard 2-3 times to feel the strength of the wind, frightening at times what nature can do.

Farmer?

Genuinely asking.

Yeah amazing what nature can do.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 16-10-2017 11:39PM

Still quite bad out

GFish · 16-10-2017 11:39PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The advice was to stay at home. Very clear cut.

The fact is if people went out for whatever reason then they're not following the advice.

I think you'll find the advice was to 'Stay at home unless ... '.
I find your implication that the 3 people who lost their lives today did not 'follow the advice' is very insensitive, very offensive and very ... several other things.

Junkyard Tom · 16-10-2017 11:40PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The advice was to stay at home. Very clear cut.

Stay at home unless it was necessary. People aren't machines with on/off switches. We do not know what motivated the people who lost their lives to leave their homes. They may have went out because they were trying to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

16-10-2017 11:51PM

GFish wrote: »

I think you'll find the advice was to 'Stay at home unless ... '.
I find your implication that the 3 people who lost their lives today did not 'follow the advice' is very insensitive, very offensive and very ... several other things.

All 3 deaths were preventable if they had stayed inside. I feel greatly sorry for their families.

The issue of Red level severe weather warnings should "be a comparatively rare event and implies that recipients take action to protect themselves and/or their properties; this could be by moving their families out of the danger zone temporarily; by staying indoors; or by other specific actions aimed at mitigating the effects of the weather conditions".

These deaths were all reported at times which were reported to be around the worst of the winds. While it may be insensitive for the other poster to say it so soon after their deaths, he is right in saying that they were warned, and didn't heed warning. The whole country was under red alert.

16-10-2017 11:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's all happening in Dublin now! Serious gusts.

Could be something to with the slight change in wind direction, earlier it was coming directly from the South, whereas now it's shifted to the SW. The Wicklow/Dublin mountains might have been reducing the wind speeds, while now it's coming from a more open area, blowing over a longer fetch will result in higher windspeeds

GFish · 17-10-2017 12:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All 3 deaths were preventable if they had stayed inside. I feel greatly sorry for their families.

yada yada

The advice was 'Stay indoors unless ... '.
None of us know why those people were outdoors but people, you included, seem to be assuming that they were out just because they wanted to be. Quit judging them, at least until you know why they were out.

We owe them and their families at least that much.

Can a Mod lock this thread?

murpho999 · 17-10-2017 12:03AM

GFish wrote: »

I think you'll find the advice was to 'Stay at home unless ... '.
I find your implication that the 3 people who lost their lives today did not 'follow the advice' is very insensitive, very offensive and very ... several other things.

What is offensive or insensitive about it? If these people had stayed at would be fine now. Simple fact.

I find posts that trivialise today's storm that killed people as 'nothing' or disappoiinting as more offensive.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Stay at home unless it was necessary. People aren't machines with on/off switches. We do not know what motivated the people who lost their lives to leave their homes. They may have went out because they were trying to help out people less fortunate than themselves.

There were lots of people out today , ignoring the advice for their own selfish stupid reasons. People out walking, swimming etc Death toll could have been a lot higher.

One_Of_Shanks · 17-10-2017 12:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All 3 deaths were preventable if they had stayed inside. I feel greatly sorry for their families.

The issue of Red level severe weather warnings should "be a comparatively rare event and implies that recipients take action to protect themselves and/or their properties; this could be by moving their families out of the danger zone temporarily; by staying indoors; or by other specific actions aimed at mitigating the effects of the weather conditions".

These deaths were all reported at times which were reported to be around the worst of the winds. While it may be insensitive for the other poster to say it so soon after their deaths, he is right in saying that they were warned, and didn't heed warning. The whole country was under red alert.

If it was a relative of yours you woudn't be saying what you're saying.

I'd say that's a fair assumption.

Even the best of us make mistakes and whether warnings get heeded or not, families got destroyed today.
So yeah maybe the word "insensitive" applies alright.

Permabear · 17-10-2017 12:06AM

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murpho999 · 17-10-2017 12:08AM

GFish wrote: »

The advice was 'Stay indoors unless ... '.
None of us know why those people were outdoors but people, you included, seem to be assuming that they were out just because they wanted to be. Quit judging them, at least until you know why they were out.

We owe them and their families at least that much.

Can a Mod lock this thread?

Why would you want a thread locked for discussing a point?
Nobody is judging them.

Read what I wrote and don't twist the words or context.

GFish · 17-10-2017 12:11AM

murpho999 wrote: »

What is offensive or insensitive about it? If these people had stayed at would be fine now. Simple fact.
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There were lots of people out today , ignoring the advice for their own selfish stupid reasons.

True, and there were lots of people out for very good reasons.

Don't assume that people who were out and who might or might not have lost their lives were either selfish or stupid.

fin12 · 17-10-2017 12:15AM

One of the people that died was driving home from work So sad.

So this Hurricane

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