Bloggers / Influencers releasing products [Please read note in post #966]

GingerLily · 13-10-2017 08:16PM

Stheno wrote: »

I was thinning the same

It seems like in this day and age you can just bury people in legal paperwork to bully people to do what you want, whether you have a legitimate case or not.

fineso.mom · 13-10-2017 08:17PM

Had some experience of a cease and desist letter before. I was the one who wanted to send one. I was advised that they have no real power as such. As in, the person receiving the letter is not legally obligated to cease or desist anything. Now, they may choose to but they don't have to if they don't belive they are doing anything wrong.
On the other hand, if they are doing something wrong and don't stop you can up the ante and look into taking a civil case against them. But in and of itself a cease and desist letter is just a letter asking someone to stop doing something, has no power really .
That's my understanding of it anyway.
By the way, fair dues to the poster who set up that page. I can't see anything wrong with stating the facts....this product costs x amount from aliexpress and the same product costs y amount from Taylor and rose. What's wrong with that?

retro:electro · 13-10-2017 08:20PM

Wow. That is so embarrassing. Care would she take some responsibility for the complete misrepresentation of her brand to the public, but no, it's far easier to send legal letters to those who outed your manipulation. It's so twisted. You can get legal advice for anything these days- it doesn't mean her accusations hold any weight. She wouldn't have gotten very far had she persisted.

SusieBlue · 13-10-2017 08:20PM

I've looked back on the thread and quite a few posts I remember making are gone and a lot of other posts are heavily edited.

GingerLily · 13-10-2017 08:26PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I've looked back on the thread and quite a few posts I remember making are gone and a lot of other posts are heavily edited.

She's obviously sending a few letters out?

wendydoll · 13-10-2017 08:39PM

COD can't have it every way she wants it. She claimed from taylor and rose website "Our prices are based on detailed market research and adhere to the average retail margins" if that was the case she wouldn't have to threaten legal action because she wouldn't be doing anything page and the scammer page would be just be a "jealous hater".

Can't believe how pathetic these "bloggers" are. They are grand if you are blowing hot air up their arse, but you can't speak a negative word about them.

Ray37 · 13-10-2017 08:40PM

Im baffled by this letter, that page only showed where the stuff was purchased from in order to prove a huge mark up. Nothing was defamatory or untrue. CD should be ashamed of herself, and I'm a little dubious about the C&D letter being legit, is a page allowed to be served with such even if they are sharing the truth?

wendydoll · 13-10-2017 08:51PM

The Niamh Cullen take over on SoSue instagram using the hot fire palette and other sue products. The eye make up is awful looking. That hot fire palette is useless

baby and crumble · 13-10-2017 10:09PM

Guys, please stay on track and do not discuss any legal action or speculate on same. Niamh has already had to put a warning on thread and I'd hate to have to lock the thread again.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 13-10-2017 10:34PM

Wow, talk about censorship. It's basically giving the public 2 fingers. This IS a story yet no media ran with it, nobody is allowed speak of it and perfectly legal and rational posts on generic white label products being sold as bespoke pieces for 50 times the price of purchase, with proof the purchase was made by the "influencer" in question and you're not allowed discuss it? Seriously?
Is it the general publics fault someone has built their business on solely selling items from Ali express? How does this make her business any different to those buy and sell pages on facebook?

<snip> There was no acknowledgement, no apology, there was media at launch parties, these ones are all over image magazine of rsvp if they turn up for the opening of an envelope but they can <snip> and be featured in the top 30 Irish business people? Really?! That's an absolute insult to anyone who goes to work and has established and worked hard to build a reputable business.

Isn't it ironic that these girl bosses are only known from their online presence and reviewing other businesses products (that's how they all started out) and the moment you dare show a person where to buy said cheap rubbish at a price that reflects the quality, you're threatened?
The world is not an echo chamber

fussyonion · 13-10-2017 10:41PM

I'd genuinely like to know what we CAN actually talk about. I feel I'm walking on eggshells here...

wendydoll · 13-10-2017 10:42PM

fussyonion wrote: »

I'd genuinely like to know what we CAN actually talk about. I feel I'm walking on eggshells here...

Same fussyonion

SusieBlue · 13-10-2017 10:50PM

fussyonion wrote: »

I'd genuinely like to know what we CAN actually talk about. I feel I'm walking on eggshells here...

Me too. I would have thought this is relevant to both the thread and the topic at hand.
I'm not questioning or dissing mods but every time I post I'm afraid I'll be infracted even though I go out of my way to word things as clearly as possible so as not to break rules since the most recent warnings.
I feel like a lot of interesting discussion has been shut down lately.

retro:electro · 13-10-2017 10:57PM

fussyonion wrote: »

I'd genuinely like to know what we CAN actually talk about. I feel I'm walking on eggshells here...

This by a million.
Any topic I've been interested in lately has been rapidly shut down.
I'm increasingly losing interest in engaging in a forum we all fought so hard to get.

ibarelycare · 13-10-2017 11:01PM

It'll be shut down before long no doubt. The shutting down and "cleaning up" of this thread was just the start of it I'd say!

wendydoll · 13-10-2017 11:09PM

Not having a go at the mods but I received a warning for personal abuse when there's been a lot worse said by other about bloggers over the weeks. If it continues like that going forward, we'll all get censored if we aren't singing the praises of bloggers and there will be no point posting on the thread.

Siobhnk · 13-10-2017 11:19PM

Love and Light lads... :P

wyrn · 13-10-2017 11:32PM

I follow a number of different types of bloggers. It's like night and day comparing the beauty / lifestyle bloggers vs the tech bloggers. Some of the bloggers I follow are young teenage tech people who develop apps or start small business, they are far more professional. When they launch their product they will talk in detail about all of the specs and actually ask for feedback so they can improve their product. Most of them will answer questions as long as it's not IP but they'll answer in general terms.

Makes me wonder if all the "jealous haters" are only in the beauty / lifestyle area. I don't really see it in the tech side and I'm sure it's the same with food bloggers.

RoisinClare6 · 14-10-2017 12:07AM

If this gets me in trouble so be it.

This is a thread about products and releases. COD released a product we're discussing it.

Yet we can't discuss it be cause we don't agree with it. So we are only allowed 'discuss' things if we give them glowing reports? Did I miss something?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 14-10-2017 12:11AM

Don't tell anyone the products are bought in bulk from a Chinese website, shush!! It's ok that it's being sold as luxury products at an astronomical markup. Don't talk about that, just focus on her being one of the 30 Under 30 who by her own admission states she feels like an imposter.

SusieBlue · 14-10-2017 12:21AM

All these girl bosses making their money flogging rubbish and giving glowing reviews to any company who'll pay the asking price, basically making their sole living off of giving reviews yet can't take a single ounce of criticism themselves.
The hypocrisy in the whole situation is unbelievable and it's actually infuriating that they go to such effort to silence people who hurt their feelings rather than address the fact that they're after doing something they shouldn't have to their followers.
And by doing something they shouldn't have, I mean not disclosing ads, selling gifted items at a profit, selling second hand clothes to their followers for twice the price, creating a bespoke 'brand' which is in actual fact cheapest of the cheap Ali Express products... I could go on.

It's bizarre. In any other profession you have to own up to mistakes and take it on the chin.
Wish I could send my boss a solicitors letter every time he criticises my work. He's obviously just a jealous hater. Obviously.

wendydoll · 14-10-2017 01:34AM

And if we are all jealous haters on here, why even give us the time of day, "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep" after all.

If I were a successful blogger girl boss I wouldn't be worried about people talking on a thread about me and I'd be far to busy to read all the 1017 posts to see if I or my products were mentioned and in what context.

retro:electro · 14-10-2017 01:40AM

What's interesting as well is that Ciara hasn't updated her "Taylor & Rose" Instagram page since this scandal occurred.
I stand by everything I've said about her business ethics. <snip>

wendydoll · 14-10-2017 01:43AM

She probably thinks everyone will forget and in a few week post new stock and the instagram will be brought back to life, Anna.

StripedBoxers · 14-10-2017 01:48AM

Stheno wrote: »

How would they get the posters real name to issue a cease and desist?

It was sent via DM apparently.

Can't imagine it would have had any legal standing whatsoever especially via Instagram messages. Though law is not my background so I could be wrong.

What delicate snowflakes there are in the Irish blogging, sorry, influencing industry....

They can't take flack in any way, shape or form so hide behind solicitors, legal teams to frighten people in the hopes it work. They are unbelievable.

njs030 · 14-10-2017 01:52AM

StripedBoxers wrote: »

It was sent via DM apparently.

Can't imagine it would have had any legal standing whatsoever especially via Instagram messages. Though law is not my background so I could be wrong.

What delicate snowflakes there are in the Irish blogging, sorry, influencing industry....

They can't take flack in any way, shape or form so hide behind solicitors, legal teams to frighten people in the hopes it work. They are unbelievable.

If it was sent via dm who were they going to take the action against?!!
It'd be interesting to hear from an actual solicitor to know if you can send a cease and desist "letter" to an unknown individual in an unknown place via social media.
I doubt it has any legal implication.

wendydoll · 14-10-2017 01:58AM

Sure nowadays its always someone else's fault. And threaten to sue if things are going our way

It's our fault we don't like their products, it's our fault we aren't falling over these releases, it's our fault we found them cheaper online, it's our fault we made it public, it's our fault we don't think the products are good value for money, it's our fault all these bloggers got caught out.

So detached with the real working world where people are actually held accountable for their work/feck ups and are unable to hide behind the threat of legal action or deleting posts pretending it never happened, ignoring the situation or sticking up a disclaimer when you were outed.

pc7 · 14-10-2017 08:07AM

Shocking carry on, that account was such an eye opener as I was going to buy stuff from one of the companies mentioned <snip>. Thankfully seen the posts here, would be such a shame that issues like that can't be raised here on boards when they are truthful. Makes no sense to me whatsoever. Thanks again to the person who raised this, saved me and others I'm sure a few bob and boosted Aliexpress sales!!!

lemmno · 14-10-2017 09:35AM

I think the damage has been done now anyway. People are wise to them. I've unfollowed most of them. How can I relate to someone covered in Gucci/Louis Vuitton?!
It also sickens me the effect they've had on teenagers. The amount girls in the school I work in making Christmas lists with the words Valentino and Balenciaga on them is crazy! They've created a culture for 'things'. All they do is show themselves buying stuff stuff and more stuff. And the sad thing is, they're probably not buying the half of it! And maybe this isn't on topic but I feel saddened that we have to censor ourselves. I'll never mention names here if the bloggers who are guilty to make the boardsies job easier, but I do feel like there's a responsibility here to educate. I always knew the products sold by certain bloggers may not be the best quality, but to find out they were just reselling from aliexpress was new to me and I'm so glad I was on boards to see that.
I feel there's an honesty to Lisa Jordan, she raises awareness about great causes on her Snapchat and seems to be very transparent about what she gets, which I like. So I'd be happy to buy anything she launches, within reason obviously, as I feel supporting her isn't the worst thing in the world. Others I feel are 100% about themselves and their 'profile' and id need someone to pay me to support them!

ibarelycare · 14-10-2017 10:00AM

I think the person who ran the instagram exposé should reopen it and keep going. I can understand if they don't want to but I don't see how a solicitor can attempt to shut them down for telling the truth. And what action can they even take against an anonymous page? Perhaps asking in the legal discussions forum would be a good idea to ease that person's mind...

But I think a stand has to be made. It's infuriating that legal action has been threatened for telling the truth.

Bloggers / Influencers releasing products [Please read note in post #966]

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