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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭sonic85


    I'd say there's plenty of current A list actors and actresses that have found themselves in dodgy situations at some point but have gone along with it to further their careers and have reaped the rewards.

    Everybody currently involved in the industry has come through the system so really none of the revelations that arise about various actors, actresses, directors and producers should be surprising. The whole thing is a write off in my opinion but ill bet give it six months and it'll be all swept under the rug and itll be as you were. There's just too much money involved for it to end any other way


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    sonic85 wrote: »
    I'd say there's plenty of current A list actors and actresses that have found themselves in dodgy situations at some point but have gone along with it to further their careers and have reaped the rewards.

    Everybody currently involved in the industry has come through the system so really none of the revelations that arise about various actors, actresses, directors and producers should be surprising. The whole thing is a write off in my opinion but ill bet give it six months and it'll be all swept under the rug and itll be as you were. There's just too much money involved for it to end any other way
    Nail. Meet head. Bang on S and a near guaranteed prescient take on what will happen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    One wonders what Thompson would respond with if questioned about female teachers having sex with (/ statutorily raping) young boys. Would she call that evidence of there being a crisis of "extreme femininity"? Course not. She spouts on about equality all the time and yet something like happens and she immediately comes out with sexist claptrap that would suggest Harvey Weinstein's real problem is that he is too damn masculine. Sheesh.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One wonders what Thompson would respond with if questioned about female teachers having sex with (/ statutorily raping) young boys. Would she call that evidence of there being a crisis of "extreme femininity"? Course not. She spouts on about equality all the time and yet something like happens and she immediately comes out with sexist claptrap that would suggest Harvey Weinstein's real problem is that he is too damn masculine. Sheesh.

    Utter tripe. Disgusting sexist tripe at that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Not sure if posted already but Seth McFarlane a couple of years ago:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Lots of mentions on this thread of Meryl Streep's support of paedophile Roman Polanski but none of countless A-List directors/actors and critics continuing adoration of Woody Allen.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Clooney is a smug turd. Always has been. Never understood why people rated him as an actor. Or human being.
    Jake1 wrote: »
    Same here, smarmy looking. Ive always thought that marriage was a step toward his future in politics.
    Cynical, I know, but thats what Ive thought.

    Because he is a pretty decent actor, particularly in Oh Brother Where Art Thou.

    Don't know him as "a human being". Don't think he "looks smarmy". And what is this about a future in politics? I know he is political, but can't see him running for any office soon...at least not in the US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Venom wrote: »
    The powers that be are getting off the pot alright, just not in the way normal people would expect. Weinstein's name is already being removed from projects he's been involved in to sweep it all under the carpet and by this time next year, that same name will be verboten to the hollyweird types.

    The whiteknighting by certain folks has backfired, you only have to look at the lack of coverage on Affleck in the industry rags to see how much they don't want to cover this story, so expect more vague claims of not knowing what really went on. I wouldn't be surprised if those actors who have come forward will find it very hard to get work once the media's attention has turned its gaze on something else. Weinstein's made these people fortunes and famous and just like Polanski, his sin is not what he did but that word got out and put the eye of the world on their cosy little slime pit.



    This is all the hollywood types care about.

    Affleck has earned the nickname 'Buttman' now-and the marketing team behind the Justice League film are really going to have their work cut out for them. They have Joss Whedon, cheater, harasser and low level Weinstein. Ben Affleck, cheater, harasser, and friend of Weinstein, and then they have Jason Mamoa-who made a rape joke at a comic con, about working on Game of Thrones and being allowed 'rape pretty women'. But the last guy has apologised, and has made reparations ever since, getting involved in rape groups in the years since then.

    I do know that Elijah Wood has spoken that paedophilia is endemic in hollywood, and how his parents protected him from it. Like, other kids stayed out late, were more than likely preyed upon, Wood's parents made sure he was home after a job-and his homework was done on time. So he was shielded from the worst of it. Unfortunately, he was a rarity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Brad Renfro, who was the title character in Bryan Singer's Apt Pupil that someone pointed out earlier has a very disturbing lingering shot on him showering naked as about a 15 year old. The accusations against Singer seem to have some merit and they're on a whole different level to Weinstein's (which says something given how rotten as Weinstein's are themselves). In the year or so after the filming of Apt Pupil (1998) he came heavily involved in substance abuse, crime and eventually died of an overdose in 2008 aged 25.

    Jonathan Brandis was another highly prolific child actor in the late 80s/early 90s who is alleged to have been the subject of a lot of sexual abuse. Sadly we won't know as the acting roles began drying up when he 'came of age' and he hung himself aged 27 back in 2003.

    There's even more than those two. Some are kind of forgotten, so brief were their careers.
    Brandis suffered from depression, and may have been abused, I didn't know about the latter. But considering how he was pushed to work as a kid, seeing it as his only 'outlet' I wouldn't be surprised if someone hadn't abused him.

    There is also Christopher Pettiet. He's not too well remembered, sadly, but he was a child actor and friend of Leo Di Caprio, and Toby McGuire. Starred in a lot of tv shows, and the movie 'Don't tell mom the baby sitters dead'. At 15 yrs of age, he already had an out of control drug problem, even during 'don't tell mom...' (The producers and director worked around it, editing the script and his scenes). Died at the age of 24 from an overdose in 2000.

    There's also Leif Garrett-who was marketed as a teen idol. He sang, and acted in shows like Gunsmoke and Wonder Woman. He started using drugs at the age of 14, with his mother admitting she was very hands off with him and his career-he had his own place before he could legally drive. Even lived with his girlfriend (Nicolette Sheridan, she of Knots Landing and Desperate Housewives). And when he could drive, he drove drunk, high on cocaine and qualludes, leaving a friend a paraplegic due to a car accident. Even was arrested for drugs as recent as 2010. He seems like one of these people who was preyed upon.

    River Phoenix-his parents were part of a religious cult that endorsed 'adults having sex with children' tho claiming they left it before then. Despite River claiming to have had sex when he was four. I believe there may have been something, whatever it was. Died of an overdose aged 23.

    One of the ones I was surprised about was Ashleigh Aston Moore. I remember watching her in a tv show called the Odyssey, and she seemed like she was having fun, and she was really talented. She also starred in the movie Once and Again, and I thought she would continue in acting. But two years after that film, she quit. She died aged 26, on imdb her death is recorded as 'from bronchitis and pneumonia', but others state 'heroine overdose'.

    Corey Haim seems to have been the most tragic of all-his agent was allowed continue grooming and raping boys. And there was probably more than one person who was raping him.

    Renfro didn't even get dignity in death-not long after his passing, Heath Ledger died. Brad was all but forgotten, and the camera focused on Ledger. I feel it was important, and a missed opportunity, to ask why Renfro's addiction had spiralled.

    There's a whole list of child actors who died young. Some from tragedies such as car accidents, or were murdered (Judith Barsi from All Dogs Go to Heaven, killed by her dad during the making of the film, is one example). Others from addiction.
    https://www.ranker.com/list/30-child-actors-who-died-young/celebrity-lists


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    There is also Christopher Pettiet. He's not too well remembered, sadly, but he was a child actor and friend of Leo Di Caprio, and Toby McGuire. Starred in a lot of tv shows, and the movie 'Don't tell mom the baby sitters dead'. At 15 yrs of age, he already had an out of control drug problem, even during 'don't tell mom...' (The producers and director worked around it, editing the script and his scenes). Died at the age of 24 from an overdose in 2000.

    There's also Leif Garrett-who was marketed as a teen idol. He sang, and acted in shows like Gunsmoke and Wonder Woman. He started using drugs at the age of 14, with his mother admitting she was very hands off with him and his career-he had his own place before he could legally drive. Even lived with his girlfriend (Nicolette Sheridan, she of Knots Landing and Desperate Housewives). And when he could drive, he drove drunk, high on cocaine and qualludes, leaving a friend a paraplegic due to a car accident. Even was arrested for drugs as recent as 2010. He seems like one of these people who was preyed upon.

    One of the ones I was surprised about was Ashleigh Aston Moore. I remember watching her in a tv show called the Odyssey, and she seemed like she was having fun, and she was really talented. She also starred in the movie Once and Again, and I thought she would continue in acting. But two years after that film, she quit. She died aged 26, on imdb her death is recorded as 'from bronchitis and pneumonia', but others state 'heroine overdose'.

    Could you specify the allegations about abuse in the above 3 cases?

    Otherwise it kinda looks like a "these people died young...ergo I'm guessing they were abused".

    Which seems to me to be a reductive way of looking at very complex issues, celebrity and the end of celebrity, wealth and dwindling wealth, power, depression, drugs, alcohol and yes, possibly, abuse...and all on the mind of a young and immature person.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I am delighted that Ben Affleck is getting caught up in this scandal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    I'm sure it's been suggested somewhere but how about Ben Assflick from now on? Too soon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭califano


    Maureen O'Hara eluded to similar behaviour she endured with John Ford and others. But said she couldn't say and would take it to her grave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭optogirl


    One wonders what Thompson would respond with if questioned about female teachers having sex with (/ statutorily raping) young boys. Would she call that evidence of there being a crisis of "extreme femininity"? Course not. She spouts on about equality all the time and yet something like happens and she immediately comes out with sexist claptrap that would suggest Harvey Weinstein's real problem is that he is too damn masculine. Sheesh.

    I can see how you would read it like this but the truth is that most women have experienced sexual harassment, several times in their lifetime and it usually starts by being catcalled & whistled at when we are about 13. The Weinstein revelations are just not that shocking to women unfortunately. There's a sad air of 'Yup, that's the sh*t that goes on' about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Could you specify the allegations about abuse in the above 3 cases?

    Otherwise it kinda looks like a "these people died young...ergo I'm guessing they were abused".

    Which seems to me to be a reductive way of looking at very complex issues, celebrity and the end of celebrity, wealth and dwindling wealth, power, depression, drugs, alcohol and yes, possibly, abuse...and all on the mind of a young and immature person.

    Drew Barrymore had a cocaine addiction at 12yrs of age. Giving coke to a 12yr old is abuse enough but you have to question who wold do that and why? The addiction problems of many of these child stars start on movie sets, people are literally plying kids with drugs and who knows what else lead from that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Same here, smarmy looking. Ive always thought that marriage was a step toward his future in politics.
    Cynical, I know, but thats what Ive thought.


    There were persistent rumours a few years ago that Clooney was strongly thinking about running for the Presidental election in the U.S., until Hillary Clinton quietly pulled him aside and said something to the effect of 'it's my turn, George'...

    As for that wife of his, Amal Clooney. She comes across as one of the phoniest poseurs I have ever seen.
    It seems that in every video of her being interviewed she has to swipe her hair in a theatrical fashion at least once. ("Oh, am I on camera, darling?" she's almost saying...)
    Check out this BBC clip at 0:33 to see what I mean:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-41356666/amal-clooney-and-is-victim-demand-justice-for-yazidis

    For someone who claims to be a defender of the Yazidi people, she has a peculiar habit of overdressing for the cameras and hijacking the event to make sure she is the centre of attention. Strange, that.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but if I were representing people whose families have been systemically cleansed in an attempted Holocaust, I would probably avoid turning the event into my own personal fashion show.

    You know things are bad when there are more fashion paparazzi than news reporters at your UN Security Council appearance...


    Also, it may interest you to know that Amal Clooney's uncle is one of the biggest arms dealers in the Middle East:
    • Ziad Takieddin, Amal's uncle, is her father's brother. He is a notorious businessman and arms dealer charged in France for corruption and fraud.
    • Tarek Miknas ( Amal's first cousin) recently married the daughter of slain Bugarian mobster Ilya Pavlov. Amal officiated at the wedding, with George in tow.
    • Amal's father Ramzi K Alamuddin has close ties to Druze leader and Hamas supporter Walid Jumblat.

    https://www.popdust.com/get-to-know-amal-clooney-and-her-family-connections-1891334331.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziad_Takieddine

    Funny how the 'human rights campaigner' and her 'humanitarian' husband George Clooney are strangely quiet about these shady characters in the family.

    She comes from good stock, that one...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭AustinLostin


    As for that wife of his, Amal Clooney. She comes across as one of the phoniest poseurs I have ever seen.
    It seems that in every video of her being interviewed she has to swipe her hair in a theatrical fashion at least once. ("Oh, am I on camera, darling?" she's almost saying...)

    She touched her hair! She's a phoney!!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    This is getting weird. According to TMZ Weinstein's contract with his company essentially allowed him to get away with sexual misconduct so long as he paid out any losses to the company from his own pocket.

    Harvey Weinstein may have been fired illegally by The Weinstein Company, a company that wrote a contract that said Weinstein could get sued over and over for sexual harassment and as long as he shelled out money, that was good enough for the Company.

    TMZ is privy to Weinstein's 2015 employment contract, which says if he gets sued for sexual harassment or any other "misconduct" that results in a settlement or judgment against TWC, all Weinstein has to do is pay what the company's out, along with a fine, and he's in the clear.


    What the actual hell?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Why would you think that is weird? Sure, according to you the girls were all getting something out of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Saruhashi


    She touched her hair! She's a phoney!!

    Strange how you ignored the rest of the content of the post though, isn't it?

    I guess people really are willing to give celebrities a free pass on some horrible stuff by focusing on the most frivolous accusations and ignoring the more serious points.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This is getting weird. According to TMZ Weinstein's contract with his company essentially allowed him to get away with sexual misconduct so long as he paid out any losses to the company from his own pocket.

    Harvey Weinstein may have been fired illegally by The Weinstein Company, a company that wrote a contract that said Weinstein could get sued over and over for sexual harassment and as long as he shelled out money, that was good enough for the Company.

    TMZ is privy to Weinstein's 2015 employment contract, which says if he gets sued for sexual harassment or any other "misconduct" that results in a settlement or judgment against TWC, all Weinstein has to do is pay what the company's out, along with a fine, and he's in the clear.


    What the actual hell?

    Jaysus....there's more or less admission they known what he was up to with years


    The way things are going,they'll have to build a special prision for all these lads from hollywood


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,602 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This is getting weird. According to TMZ Weinstein's contract with his company essentially allowed him to get away with sexual misconduct so long as he paid out any losses to the company from his own pocket.

    Harvey Weinstein may have been fired illegally by The Weinstein Company, a company that wrote a contract that said Weinstein could get sued over and over for sexual harassment and as long as he shelled out money, that was good enough for the Company.

    TMZ is privy to Weinstein's 2015 employment contract, which says if he gets sued for sexual harassment or any other "misconduct" that results in a settlement or judgment against TWC, all Weinstein has to do is pay what the company's out, along with a fine, and he's in the clear.


    What the actual hell?

    They were fine with him harassing women, so long as it didn't cost them money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This is getting weird. According to TMZ Weinstein's contract with his company essentially allowed him to get away with sexual misconduct so long as he paid out any losses to the company from his own pocket.

    Is it possible that sexual abuse is so rife and common place in Hollywood that this is a standardised clause in most celebrity employment contracts?

    I'm sure that the stuff that goes into an employment contract over there differs hugely from the bog standard one you or I might have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    River Phoenix-his parents were part of a religious cult that endorsed 'adults having sex with children' tho claiming they left it before then. Despite River claiming to have had sex when he was four. I believe there may have been something, whatever it was. Died of an overdose aged 23.
    Good post, there is a litany alright. I just singled out this one because I had a brief fling with someone, really liked her, but she got really strange and then broke it off quickly. She let me know a little after it was because her family (12 siblings I think it was) in Brazil were in the Children of God; she was the third youngest any every one of them had ran away to Canada or the US the moment they turned 18 (her parents were Canadian and American but had moved to Brazil with the COG).

    She only said a bit of what happened because the trauma was clearly huge even if she hid it well from others, but the stories of what goes on there were harrowing, children literally passed around between families for days or weeks at a go as if (to copy a line someone else used earlier in the thread) like sweets. I would without question believe that River Phoenix was raped when he was four.

    You should look up 'Mo Letters' (letters sent from the founder/leader), here is one and a TLDR version (apparently also officially issues), this is absolutely depressing stuff though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This is getting weird. According to TMZ Weinstein's contract with his company essentially allowed him to get away with sexual misconduct so long as he paid out any losses to the company from his own pocket.

    Harvey Weinstein may have been fired illegally by The Weinstein Company, a company that wrote a contract that said Weinstein could get sued over and over for sexual harassment and as long as he shelled out money, that was good enough for the Company.

    TMZ is privy to Weinstein's 2015 employment contract, which says if he gets sued for sexual harassment or any other "misconduct" that results in a settlement or judgment against TWC, all Weinstein has to do is pay what the company's out, along with a fine, and he's in the clear.


    What the actual hell?


    Some of the figures floating around is that Weinstein has paid at least $13 million to keep people quiet/payouts/bribes etc... :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Vojera


    optogirl wrote: »
    I can see how you would read it like this but the truth is that most women have experienced sexual harassment, several times in their lifetime and it usually starts by being catcalled & whistled at when we are about 13. The Weinstein revelations are just not that shocking to women unfortunately. There's a sad air of 'Yup, that's the sh*t that goes on' about it.
    I agree with this sentiment. To many women it's not shocking that it happens, just shocking that it's out in the open.

    However, I disagree vehemently with Thompson's description of it as "extreme masculinity". To me, masculinity has nothing to do with it; it's abuse of power and taking advantage of vulnerable people. When I think of the men in my life, no matter how masculine they are, they would never engage in something like this. This is about ****ty people, and I don't think it helps for people like Thompson to describe it as being part of "masculinity" that this happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭AustinLostin


    Saruhashi wrote: »
    Strange how you ignored the rest of the content of the post though, isn't it?

    I guess people really are willing to give celebrities a free pass on some horrible stuff by focusing on the most frivolous accusations and ignoring the more serious points.

    I ignored the rest of the point because she's being held responsible for actions of others i.e. not herself and I don't see how she is responsible for these actions.

    So your 'serious point' her in a thread about women being abused by Harvey Weinstein is that Amal Clooney should be held accountable for actions of her relatives (not related to Harvey FYI).

    Right thanks, so glad we gave this point attention.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Lux23 wrote: »
    Why would you think that is weird? Sure, according to you the girls were all getting something out of this.
    Excuse me? Please point out where I said that, or with respect, jog on with your dishonest nonsense.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    I ignored the rest of the point because she's being held responsible for actions of others i.e. not herself and I don't see how she is responsible for these actions.

    So your 'serious point' her in a thread about women being abused by Harvey Weinstein is that Amal Clooney should be held accountable for actions of her relatives (not related to Harvey FYI).

    Right thanks, so glad we gave this point attention.
    Bizarrely this topic appears to have attracted an impressive amount of misogyny..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    Where can I get a dressing gown with a door in it?


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