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New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭me89


    Looks like Gronk is out tonight ðŸ™


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    me89 wrote: »
    Looks like Gronk is out tonight ðŸ™

    Oh man could it get any worse? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Scary to think that Brady could throw 5TD's tonight and the defense could still lose us the game.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    5 point win with bucks missing 3 field goals - little too close for comfort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭BaronVon


    Gave away from awful penalties during the game, very undisciplined performance, very un-Patriot like.

    I'd be very surprised if Bolden is still on the roster by week 6!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    infacteh wrote: »
    Gave away from awful penalties during the game, very undisciplined performance, very un-Patriot like.

    I thought that also after watching the game, I can't remember a Belichick team being so undisciplined.

    Laughing at some of the defensive players talking up their performance afterwards. When really it was the Bucs shockingly bad kicker, that gave away 9 points and gifted us the win.

    Brady's protection was as bad as ever and all against a team that only got 1 sack up until the met us. Last night they got 3 sacks and 6 QB hits on Brady and probably wish they could face our O line all season.

    It is the worst coached/performing O line that I've seen Scar put on the field. My bottom-line is, I really couldn't care about how the defense performs. Keeping Brady healthy has to be the priority, god knows it's the very least he's owed by his teammates & coaches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If they scored two of the three field goals they would have had 20 points and that for me word still be a very acceptable performance from the D.

    Imo our D have every right to be proud of their performance last night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,490 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    First night the D looked anyway decent, you take the opposition into account for sure but credit where it is due. Hopefully it can be built on. Also, even with the pick, at 40 years of age there is still no QB in the league playing at the level Brady is.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,314 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    You have to take into consideration there first TD came off a brain dead penalty from not so Wise. We'd stopped them on 3rd and 20 so them missing field goals wouldn't of mattered if didn't happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    First night the D looked anyway decent, you take the opposition into account for sure but credit where it is due. Hopefully it can be built on. Also, even with the pick, at 40 years of age there is still no QB in the league playing at the level Brady is.

    With just 2 Ints last season and his first of the 2017 season last night, I think it's safe to safe Brady could teach the league a thing or two about not turning the ball over. Just imagine though if our O line could match his lever of performance? You'd be organizing a Superbowl party now. At 40 years old, I think Brady's getting better.:eek:

    On the defense? I looked back on the game again and I counted at least three plays where bad throws from Winston saved us from being absolutely torched. So I'll start giving them credit if they can keep the next 2-3 teams under 20 points.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That's ridiculous, you could find bad throws from most games which look like they would have drastically changed almost every game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    eagle eye wrote: »
    That's ridiculous, you could find bad throws from most games which look like they would have drastically changed almost every game.

    Yes certainly, in games against us and that's my point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Somehow still favourites for the Superbowl although drifting from the Week 1 prices.
    Very open market.

    4/1 Patriots.
    8/1 Green Bay.
    9/1 Kansas.
    10/1 Pittsburgh, Atlanta.
    12/1 Seattle.
    16/1 Dallas.
    20/1 Denver.
    25/1+ the rest.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/super-bowl-lii/winner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Somehow still favourites for the Superbowl although drifting from the Week 1 prices.
    Very open market.

    4/1 Patriots.
    8/1 Green Bay.
    9/1 Kansas.
    10/1 Pittsburgh, Atlanta.
    12/1 Seattle.
    16/1 Dallas.
    20/1 Denver.
    25/1+ the rest.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl/super-bowl-lii/winner

    It is funny to see the European market differ. Vegas has the Pats at 5/1 and the Steelers favorites at 9/2

    Pittsburgh Steelers 9-2
    New England Patriots 5-1
    Green Bay Packers 6-1
    Atlanta Falcons 8-1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9-1
    Seattle Seahawks 10-1
    Denver Broncos 14-1
    Dallas Cowboys 16-1
    Oakland Raiders 20-1
    Philadelphia Eagles 20-1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Based on all I've seen to this point the Chiefs would be favourites for me.

    Patriots need a big run of wins to have any chance imo. You don't want to go on the road to Kansas, Pittsburgh or Denver in the postseason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If you told me before the season began that in week 6 we would be playing the Jets for the division lead I'd have laughed hard at you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,314 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Brady dealing with a sprain to his left shoulder. Them hits taking their toll already


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    NaVorro Bowman being shopped by the 49ers. Bill you should be able to get him for a good deal and he fits our scheme perfectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,314 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    NaVorro Bowman being shopped by the 49ers. Bill you should be able to get him for a good deal and he fits our scheme perfectly.
    He just after getting released


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    NaVorro Bowman being shopped by the 49ers. Bill you should be able to get him for a good deal and he fits our scheme perfectly.
    Considering Harris has been a non factor, that they paid decent money to, they need someone to aid the defense.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Considering Harris has been a non factor, that they paid decent money to, they need someone to aid the defense.

    I actually think Harris is struggling with our scheme and learning it but many reports about him say he is a great team player and good to have around and the Pats like him a lot and are willing to give him time to wrap his head around the system. I hope most of those reports are true because you figure playoffs roll around and he is ready to go you have fresh body to do some damage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Parking the awful D for a while, another win for TB.
    Most regular season wins by a starting QB.
    Most postseason wins by a starting QB.
    Most overall wins by a starting QB.

    Continues to add more and more stats to those 5 rings to put even more weight towards him being the GOAT.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    an odd game. Awful start on both sides of the ball, very lacklustre. But then both offence and defence did play well and made good plays.

    I have to say though, whether it was technically the right call or not, but that over ruled TD for the Jets was a horrible call. I'd be absolutely fuming if that happened the Patriots. To go from scoring a TD to losing the ball.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    bruschi wrote: »
    an odd game. Awful start on both sides of the ball, very lacklustre. But then both offence and defence did play well and made good plays.

    I have to say though, whether it was technically the right call or not, but that over ruled TD for the Jets was a horrible call. I'd be absolutely fuming if that happened the Patriots. To go from scoring a TD to losing the ball.
    Yeah, if that was us that lost that call!!!!
    Said in the Week6 thread as well, not to go for it on 3rd and 15min (ran it for a few yards) just to make it a little easier for Gost (after 1 failed FG) didn't seem like much faith in the kicker as well.
    It was not a pretty watch for most of the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Jets at .500 after that loss, every other team in the division has a winning record. It's going to be a very difficult season I think because normally our easier games are at least two of our division rivals but they all look decent this season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Fantastic answer by Bill today:
    At the end of a conference call with reporters, Belichick was asked how he balances the Patriots’ established system against making week-to-week adjustments that are deemed necessary. Belichick answered the question as thoroughly as possible.

    Below is his complete answer:

    “Well, I’ll just say that when you start the season, you have, let’s call it 20 practices, not including the spring. So let’s call it 20 practices and some preseason games, and during that time you’re trying to evaluate your team, work on a lot of basic and fundamental things and I’ll say basically get your team ready to play not only on the opening day, but for getting conditioned and build your fundamentals and all that so that you can compete in the 16-game regular season.

    “In those 20 practices and however many preseason games certain players play in – two, three, four, whatever it is – against other teams that are doing the same thing, so you’re not getting schemed, you’re not getting game planned, you’re not getting some of the more sophisticated and the higher degree of difficulty things in any phase of the game. You’re in more of an evaluation mode and a fundamental mode. That’s where you’re at, and then as you get into the season, you build on that and you have things that attack certain schemes or you have to use to address certain issues that your opponent is trying to pressure you with. Maybe you just sit in your base, whatever it is, to handle it. Maybe your basics handle it, but maybe you need to go a little bit beyond that or maybe you see opportunities to create a play that you might install on a weekly game plan basis, and then all that accumulates.

    “So, when you go from 20 practices to, let’s call it 60 practices over halfway through the season, maybe 80 practices at the end of the season, you’re going to have a lot more in with 80 practices and you could probably triple the number of meetings on that and everything else then where you’re going to have after a relatively short period in training camp. So, along those same lines, I mean, if we keep running the same play all year, the same ones that you put in in training camp and keep running those same plays all year, it’s not that difficult in this league to figure out what those few things are and game plan accordingly. So, if you don’t increase the volume of your scheme on offense, defense and special teams, then every week, your opponent’s just looking at a handful of things and probably most of them they’ve seen before.

    “So, I don’t know how much problem, how much stress you’re really putting on your opponent if that’s the way that you do it. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing because you can play your basic stuff, and if it’s working well and if you’re doing well with it and people can’t handle it, then there’s no reason to change it. But I don’t know how many teams in the league fall into that category. I wouldn’t say it’s an exceedingly high number and it never really has been, based on my experience in the league. Although, I’m not saying that can’t happen, but I would certainly say that’s not the most common way that teams evolve throughout the course of the year.

    “So, you do what you need to do each week to try to win. You put in the plays, make the adjustments, you don’t want to overload things – I mean, nobody’s talking about putting in a new offense every week. That’s not it at all, but are there some modifications you can make? Sure, and as you rep those and you use them and if those situations come up again, then maybe you can fall back to that same type of scheme.

    “But to think realistically, which it’s incomprehensible to me, but, I mean, I don’t know. Maybe I just can’t figure it out, but it’s incomprehensible to me how anybody could think that a team that’s practiced for six months and played 19 regular season and postseason games and had triple-digit practices, five months later, after not playing a game, after having a fraction of that type of experience, could be anywhere close to the level of execution that they were five months before that after all of the things that I just listed. I mean, it’s impossible in my view.

    “So, each year, you start all over again. You start that process all over again. You build your team over the course of the year though practice repetitions, through preseason to regular season games, through the evolving of your scheme, and that’s why each year is different and unique. But, I understand I’m in the minority and most other people don’t see it that way, which is OK, but that’s the way I see it.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That's just incredible, when he has an interest in a question he shocks them with his answer every time. You come away from reading that knowing that it's all about working hard all season long to get better, to have more to use when it really matters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Parking the awful D for a while, another win for TB.
    Most regular season wins by a starting QB.
    Most postseason wins by a starting QB.
    Most overall wins by a starting QB.

    Continues to add more and more stats to those 5 rings to put even more weight towards him being the GOAT.

    In all fairness, the GOAT debate is well over and the 4th ring ended for most. Destroying the most dominant Defense (Seahawks) of the Superbowl era. Playing them at their brilliant peak and the context of that performance? Brady did more damage against the Seahawks in one quarter, than Rodgers could manage in two entire games that season. The once invincible Seahawks D has never been the same since. Brady broke records in the 2014 win, that he then goes and breaks with his last ring. Owns every important record in the game, so ya, I think the GOAT debate is well over. Notable for me was after his last ring, a lot of pundits were saying the question now is, who is the second greatest of all time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Sunday will be fun:

    OUT

    CB Eric Rowe (groin)

    CB Stephon Gilmore (concussion)

    LB Harvey Langi (back)

    QUESTIONABLE

    CB Johnson Bademosi (abdomen)

    TE Jacob Hollister (chest)

    LB Elandon Roberts (ankle)

    Honestly Gilmore is starting to look like a bust with us. I hope he proves me wrong because that means he is productive but 2 weeks with concussion in fact 17 days total seen as it happened on a Thursday night. Starting to think this is more than concussion.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    TOss Sweep wrote: »
    Sunday will be fun:

    OUT

    CB Eric Rowe (groin)

    CB Stephon Gilmore (concussion)

    LB Harvey Langi (back)

    QUESTIONABLE

    CB Johnson Bademosi (abdomen)

    TE Jacob Hollister (chest)

    LB Elandon Roberts (ankle)

    Honestly Gilmore is starting to look like a bust with us. I hope he proves me wrong because that means he is productive but 2 weeks with concussion in fact 17 days total seen as it happened on a Thursday night. Starting to think this is more than concussion.

    hard to be optimistic about Gilmore right now alright, considering the contract he signed to, but the only thing I would say is that I'd prefer to judge him at crunch time later in the season. We had one of the best corners around in Talib but went completely missing in playoffs through injury so that to me is more of a bust.


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