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  • #1442
    Biglad12345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭Biglad12345


    Doesn't appear to be much coming through in the way of looseheads or 10s coming through the academies anyone care to comment ?


  • #1443
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    Biglad12345 wrote: »
    Doesn't appear to be much coming through in the way of looseheads or 10s coming through the academies anyone care to comment ?

    Probably a fair comment regarding loosehead prop.. be interesting to see what happens there at u20 this year..

    At 10 there is very good talent in leinster with Conor Dean, Harry Byrne & David Hawkshaw.


  • #1444
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Biglad12345 wrote: »
    Doesn't appear to be much coming through in the way of looseheads or 10s coming through the academies anyone care to comment ?

    Michael Lowry is a decent prospect at 10 at Ulster, on the small side though.


  • #1445
    Ayewserious
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    bilston wrote: »
    Michael Lowry is a decent prospect at 10 at Ulster, on the small side though.
    Same goes for Angus Curtis


  • #1446
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    bilston wrote: »
    Michael Lowry is a decent prospect at 10 at Ulster, on the small side though.

    Lowry is tiny.


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  • #1447
    Ayewserious
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    letf wrote: »
    Lowry is tiny.
    I think he is taller/ the same size as Curtis


  • #1448
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    Ayewserious wrote: »
    I think he is taller/ the same size as Curtis

    Listed as being much smaller.


  • #1449
    bilston
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    letf wrote: »
    bilston wrote: »
    Michael Lowry is a decent prospect at 10 at Ulster, on the small side though.

    Lowry is tiny.

    I don't think he is so tiny that it means he can't become a pro. Plus he could still grow a bit. Ive watched him a bit andhe is very talented though so we will see how he transfers that through the age grades and with the Ulster A side.


  • #1450
    bilston
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    letf wrote: »
    Ayewserious wrote: »
    I think he is taller/ the same size as Curtis

    Listed as being much smaller.

    Banbridge have Lowry down as 176cm which is 5'9". I'm not sure about that. But it also says he is 76kg, so he needs to stick on another 10 kilos.


  • #1451
    Ayewserious
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    bilston wrote: »
    Banbridge have Lowry down as 176cm which is 5'9". I'm not sure about that. But it also says he is 76kg, so he needs to stick on another 10 kilos.
    That seems too small for the pro game. This will be a telling year for him. can't see him making the 20s tbh


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  • #1452
    jacothelad
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    bilston wrote: »
    Banbridge have Lowry down as 176cm which is 5'9". I'm not sure about that. But it also says he is 76kg, so he needs to stick on another 10 kilos.

    Ulster has him now as 79 kg so he only needs to add 7 or 8 kgs and he'll be around 13.5 to 14 stone. U.R. has him as 170cms or 5'7". Barry John was 5' 7". Shane Williams wasn't a giant. BOD was 5'10" and dripping wet when he began his pro career. I wouldn't write a young guy off at 19 because he has another 2 years or so of growth possibly. He will certainly gain muscle mass. Still, I wouldn't give credence to anything produced by UR without corroborating backup.


  • #1453
    bilston
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    bilston wrote: »
    Banbridge have Lowry down as 176cm which is 5'9". I'm not sure about that. But it also says he is 76kg, so he needs to stick on another 10 kilos.

    Ulster has him now as 79 kg so he only needs to add 7 or 8 kgs and he'll be around 13.5 to 14 stone. U.R. has him as 170cms or 5'7". Barry John was 5' 7". Shane Williams wasn't a giant. BOD was 5'10" and dripping wet when he began his pro career. I wouldn't write a young guy off at 19 because he has another 2 years or so of growth possibly. He will certainly gain muscle mass. Still, I wouldn't give credence to anything produced by UR without corroborating backup.

    Im definitely not writing him off. He is a super talent. Size is the only thing that worries me about him making it for Ulster.

    If we don't get 3 or 4regulars out of the current Academy in a few years time then something is wrong with the system. Some years we don't have the talent, this year we do.


  • #1454
    jacothelad
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    bilston wrote: »
    Im definitely not writing him off. He is a super talent. Size is the only thing that worries me about him making it for Ulster.

    If we don't get 3 or 4regulars out of the current Academy in a few years time then something is wrong with the system. Some years we don't have the talent, this year we do.

    Curtis is 6' and 14 stone. Size won't be a problem If he has his dad's pace etc plus his outhalf skills he'll be grand.


  • #1455
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Ulster has him now as 79 kg so he only needs to add 7 or 8 kgs and he'll be around 13.5 to 14 stone. U.R. has him as 170cms or 5'7". Barry John was 5' 7". Shane Williams wasn't a giant. BOD was 5'10" and dripping wet when he began his pro career. I wouldn't write a young guy off at 19 because he has another 2 years or so of growth possibly. He will certainly gain muscle mass. Still, I wouldn't give credence to anything produced by UR without corroborating backup.

    The players you list all played in a different era of rugby.

    Also huge difference between being 5'7 and 5'10.

    A 5'7 outhalf could definitely struggle defensively, wait and see how he progresses... Angus Curtis is the better prospect at the moment for me.


  • #1456
    letf
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    In terms of outhalves it will be interesting to see what happens with the 3 prospects at Leinster:

    Conor Dean(u20)
    Harry Byrne(u19)
    David Hawkshaw(u19)

    Hawkshaw still in school, while the other two are in the sub academy.
    Dean has Ireland u20 and AIL experience as a u19 from last season.
    Byrne was with Leinster u20 this summer and will likely be involved with Ireland u20, although to what degree it's hard to know yet. Will be interesting as well to see how quickly he starts playing AIL for OB.


  • #1457
    letf
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    Leinster clearly have the most talent at u20 level, followed by Ulster then Munster.

    However at u19 level it's pretty close at the moment between Leinster & Munster... might even lean toward Munster at the moment.


  • #1458
    irishfan9
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    Leinster Sub Academy this season:

    Joe Byrne(Prop/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Jordan Duggan(Prop/Naas/Newbridge)
    Niall McEniff(Prop/St. Marys/St. Marys)(u19)
    Aziz Naser(Prop/Suttonians RFC)(u19)

    Eoghan Clarke(Hooker/Wanderers/CBC Monkstown)
    Dan Sheehan(Hooker/DUFC/Clongowes)
    Richie Bergin(Hooker/UCD/St. Marys)(u19)

    Cormac Daly(2nd Row/Clontarf/North Kildare RFC)
    Jack Dunne(2nd Row/DUFC/ST. Michaels)
    JJ O'Dea(2nd Row-Backrow/Old Wesley/Navan RFC)
    Daragh Murphy(2nd Row/Lansdowne RFC)(u19)
    Charlie Ryan(2nd Row/UCD/Blackrock)(u19)

    Richard Dunne(Backrow/DUFC/Blackrock)
    Max Kearney(Backrow/DUFC/Belvedere)
    Cian Reilly(Backrow/UCD/Blackrock)
    Reuben Pim(Backrow/DUFC/Kilkenny)(u19)
    Ronan Watters(Backrow/St. Marys/St. Marys)(u19)

    Patrick Patterson(Scrumhalf/UCD/Blackrock)

    Conor Dean(Outhalf/St. Marys/Blackrock)
    Peter Hastie(Outhalf/Lansdowne/Wicklow RFC)
    Harry Byrne(Outhalf/UCD/St. Michaels)(u19)
    Conor Kelly(Outhalf/Clontarf/Roscrea)(u19)

    Sean O'Brien(Outside Back/Clontarf/Mullingar RFC)
    Myles Carey(Outside Back/St. Marys/St Marys)
    Conor Dunne(Outside Back/Clontarf/Tullamore RFC)
    Sean Galvin(Outside Back/Lansdowne/Gonzaga)
    Peter Maher(Outside Back/Old Belvo/Belvedere)
    Tom Roche(Outside Back/Lansdowne/Blackrock)
    Michael Silvester(Outside Back/DUFC/Clongowes)
    Peter Sullivan(Outside Back/Lansdowne/St. Andrews)
    Rob Russell(Outside Back/DUFC)(u19)


  • #1459
    D14Rugby
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    No James Kenny?


  • #1460
    irishfan9
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    D14Rugby wrote: »
    No James Kenny?

    I was somewhat surprised by that too, but that's the list I got.

    Maybe he hasn't joined up with them yet due to his injury.


  • #1461
    FellasFellas
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    Conor Gleeson, Gonzaga captain last year not there either, would have thought he'd be involved in some shape or form.


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  • #1462
    irishfan9
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    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Conor Gleeson, Gonzaga captain last year not there either, would have thought he'd be involved in some shape or form.

    who is he playing with? Lansdowne?


  • #1463
    Stainalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Conor Gleeson, Gonzaga captain last year not there either, would have thought he'd be involved in some shape or form.

    who is he playing with? Lansdowne?
    Yes Lansdowne


  • #1464
    Dog Botherer
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    Reuben Pim is an absolute belter of a name.


  • #1465
    irishfan9
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    Leinster Sub Academy/Academy breakdown school/club breakdown:

    Blackrock College: 12.5
    Club: 11.5
    St. Michaels College: 7
    St. Marys College: 4
    Clongowes Wood College: 3
    Belvedere College: 3
    St. Andrews College: 2
    Newbridge College: 2
    CC Roscrea: 2
    Gonzaga College: 1
    Kilkenny College: 1
    CBC Monkstown: 1
    Rockwell College: 1

    Club breakdown: - Suttonians RFC x2, Mullingar RFC x2, Coolmine RFC, Athy RFC, North Kildare RFC, Lansdowne RFC, Navan RFC, Wicklow RFC, Skerries RFC, Tullamore RFC.


  • #1466
    irishfan9
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    Connacht Sub Academy

    Ryan Lomas(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Brian Diffley(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Kuba Woitijowicz(Prop/Sligo)
    Liam Winnett(Prop/Buccanners)

    Callum Torpey(Hooker/Exile)
    Dylan Tierney(Hooker/Corinthians)

    Niall Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)
    Iarlaith Morrin Laheen(2nd Row/Galwegians)
    Darragh Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)

    Neal Moylett(Backrow/Ballina)
    Christian Nielson(Backrow/Sligo)
    Oisin McCormack(Backrow/Ballinasloe)
    Cian Huxford(Backrow/Corinthians)
    Andrew Murphy(Backrow/Blackrock)

    Richie Fahy(Scrumhalf/Blackrock)
    Colm Reilly(Scrumhalf/Ballinasloe)
    Ryan Feehily(Scrumhalf/Sligo)
    Rory Gaffney(Scrumhalf/Galwegians)

    Morgan Codyre(Outhalf/Galwegians)
    Diarmuid Codyre(OuthalfGalwegians)
    Dylan Prendergast(Outhalf/Westport)
    Cian Treacy(Outhalf/Ballinasloe)

    Shane Jennings(Outside Back/Ballinasloe)
    Saul O'Carroll(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Mark Balaski(Outside Back/Castlebar)
    Corey Reid(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Conor O'Shaughnessy(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Hugh Lane(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Michael O'Reilly(Outside Back/Corinthians)


  • #1467
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    Woitijowixz is a th prop as is Liam winnett.. also a lot of them u17s are not with the sub academy as they are in school and who’s Richie fahy
    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Connacht Sub Academy

    Ryan Lomas(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Brian Diffley(Prop/Buccaneers)

    Kuba Woitijowicz(Hooker/Sligo)
    Callum Torpey(Hooker/Exile)
    Dylan Tierney(Hooker/Corinthians)

    Neal Moylett(2nd Row/Ballina)
    Niall Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)
    Christian Nielson(2nd Row/Sligo)
    Iarlaith Morrin Laheen(2nd Row/Galwegians)
    Darragh Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)

    Oisin McCormack(Backrow/Ballinasloe)
    Cian Huxford(Backrow/Corinthians)
    Liam Winnett(Backrow/Buccanners)
    Andrew Murphy(Backrow/Blackrock)

    Richie Fahy(Scrumhalf/Blackrock)
    Colm Reilly(Scrumhalf/Ballinasloe)
    Ryan Feehily(Scrumhalf/Sligo)
    Rory Gaffney(Scrumhalf/Galwegians)

    Morgan Codyre(Outhalf/Galwegians)
    Diarmuid Codyre(OuthalfGalwegians)
    Dylan Prendergast(Outhalf/Westport)
    Cian Treacy(Outhalf/Ballinasloe)

    Shane Jennings(Outside Back/Ballinasloe)
    Saul O'Carroll(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Mark Balaski(Outside Back/Castlebar)
    Corey Reid(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Conor O'Shaughnessy(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Hugh Lane(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Michael O'Reilly(Outside Back/Corinthians)


  • #1468
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    Christian Nielsen and moylett are backrowers too both primarily 8s
    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Woitijowixz is a th prop as is Liam winnett.. also a lot of them u17s are not with the sub academy as they are in school and who’s Richie fahy


  • #1469
    irishfan9
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭irishfan9


    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Woitijowixz is a th prop as is Liam winnett.. also a lot of them u17s are not with the sub academy as they are in school and who’s Richie fahy

    Yeak I know a few of them are still in school, but they were on this extended academy list I got my hands on.

    Fahy is a scrumhalf who was with Blackrock last season currently with Galwegians.


  • #1470
    irishfan9
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    Anyone know what happened to David Robb?


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  • #1471
    bilston
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Anyone know what happened to David Robb?

    Did he not end up at Connacht the year they won the league?

    Edit - Actually I think I'm talking about Peter Robb?


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