Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan announces retirement

smurgen · 11-09-2017 11:27AM

hey get back to work plebs! Noirin's pension and lump sum payment isn't going to pay itself!

baylah17 · 11-09-2017 11:28AM

Ineedaname wrote: »

I dunno what Regina Doherty is smoking but I want some.

https://twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/906891385248382976

Well Regina does owe her a favour, sure dint the commish send some of the heavy gang up to the airport to detain and bully one of Reginas critics!
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/0706/888386-ruth-coppinger/

tayto lover · 11-09-2017 11:44AM

baylah17 wrote: »

Well Regina does owe her a favour, sure dint the commish send some of the heavy gang up to the airport to detain and bully one of Reginas critics!
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/0706/888386-ruth-coppinger/

Ah FFS Ruth Coppinger :pac:

11-09-2017 11:48AM

Ineedaname wrote: »

I dunno what Regina Doherty is smoking but I want some.

https://twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/906891385248382976

I don't.

I can't stand women who think they should automatically defend other women, without considering merit.

We had the same happening in the US with Clinton. (Not that I'm a fan of Trump, either. I think they were both very poor candidates.)

It's reverse sexism, and clear evidence of a lack of any form of thought process.

I'd be one of the first to defend a woman who was being victimised just for being female.
In the absence of sexual discrimination, though, Nóirín O Sullivan is not deserving of support just because she is a woman - nor should she be!

_Kaiser_ · 11-09-2017 12:37PM

She's getting the lump sum alright..

Former Garda Commissioner Nóirín O'Sullivan will retire with a lump sum of close to €300,000 and a pension of €90,000 a year - despite leaving the post halfway through her tenure.

Sources said her time as acting commissioner following the resignation of her predecessor Martin Callinan in 2014 would help her qualify for a full pension.

Worth every penny I'm sure!

Ineedaname · 11-09-2017 01:08PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

She's getting the lump sum alright..

Worth every penny I'm sure!

Why am I not surprised?

Nettle Soup · 11-09-2017 01:15PM

The whole thing stinks. She brazenly stayed on just to get full pension entitlements. Disgusting but typical of our self serving elite. Did she achieve anything?
Her parting words were essentially a complaint for being held accountable. Unbelievable.

2 corrupt commissioners gone and the Gardai only getting worse.

Prezatch · 11-09-2017 01:18PM

Absolutely disgraceful

Retiring at the age of 55, assume she lives til 95 that's 40 years worth of pension @ 90k = 3.6 million + 300k lump sum cost to the state. And for what exactly?

3 years after the breathe test allegations from April 2014 and no progress made - the allegations only got worse as it deepened. I don't understand how Leo Varadker can still stand by her

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 01:33PM

Prezatch wrote: »

This is not correct. Gardai can retire on full pension from age 50 and after 30 years service. She had 36 years service

Higher pensions attach to higher ranks.
You must three years at the rank to get the higher pension.
Also Comm is the only rank in AGS where the lump sum is not set figure. Other ranks receive a lump sum as a percentage of pay. The Commissioner's is negotiated with her employer on retirement. It's always been that way. An extra incentive to keep in line and support the political masters.

Knex* · 11-09-2017 01:36PM

Whatever about the salaries for these public servant positions, the pensions are absolutely insane.

bleary · 11-09-2017 02:02PM

To be honest I thought she just had enough .

She obviously had huge amounts of opposition with the force . She cleaned out some of that moving a number of people to traffic including calinnans press guy and another senior officer who protested the move and eventually resigned.
On the other side she had Sinn Fein accusing her of being a hostile witness and grilling her for hours . And then alan kelly who never misses an opportunity to grandstand and tell everyone else what they are doing wrong. Ex minister for housing as he was.
Finally the government who appear to have leaked her application for a new job in order to damage her further.
I think her resignation is called a good luck and f×#@ you.
Can't blame her. She's certainly not without failings but I reckon she has performed more public service in her 36 years than the majority of her critics.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-09-2017 02:06PM

I work in the private sector and want to retire at 55 on 90k a year

how much of my earnings will i have to put in to receive this?

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 02:43PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I work in the private sector and want to retire at 55 on 90k a year

how much of my earnings will i have to put in to receive this?

you'll probably need close to 2.5m in a DC fund if retiring today

Edit: that was at age 65 - if you want to go at 55 - i'm guessing maybe 2.8/2.9m

Potential-Monke · 11-09-2017 02:44PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I work in the private sector and want to retire at 55 on 90k a year

how much of my earnings will i have to put in to receive this?

You only have to do 33 years as a Garda and climb to the rank of Commissioner. Not agreeing with the pension, but that's how you can get it.

In the public sector? Run a company that has over 10,000 employees?

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 02:47PM

Knex. wrote: »

Whatever about the salaries for these public servant positions, the pensions are absolutely insane.

Salaries are linked to pensions - so if your happy about the salaries it just flows through really. It's like any profession those at the top get huge pensions cause of their salaries.

If the government wanted to stop the big pensions and saved billions annually in years to come - it would be simple - close all DB schemes to future accrual and open enrol everyone into DC schemes - of course the unions would be out in arms over that, and be striking all the time. Hence wont' be done and instead folk will just have to give out about it not being fair that these big pensions are paid out in the PS.

Also to add - say an ordinary teacher retires at age 65, with salary of 50k - they also get lump sum - probably 75k and pension of 25k p.a.

in comparison to a private sector worker in a DC scheme - the pension of 25k - would cost them over 700k to get. just to show it's not just the golden pensions that are worth big money - all PS DB pensions are.

Prezatch · 11-09-2017 02:51PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I work in the private sector and want to retire at 55 on 90k a year

how much of my earnings will i have to put in to receive this?

According to the Bank of Ireland pension provider New Ireland, if you started at 25 and finished at 55 you would need to save 3,590 per month :pac:

Good luck with that!

http://www.newireland.ie/pension-calculator/

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 02:56PM

Prezatch wrote: »

According to the Bank of Ireland pension provider New Ireland, if you started at 25 and finished at 55 you would need to save 3,590 per month :pac:

Good luck with that!

http://www.newireland.ie/pension-calculator/

not really sure how that calculator works - but that seems very low, be roughly 30:1 - depending if fixed/level pension etc.

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 03:00PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

It's like any profession those at the top get huge pensions cause of their salaries.

Those at the top of other professions when multi million euro financial malfeasance is brought to their attention report it to the proper authorities, deal with it in a timely and efficient manner and don't issue threats to colleagues who aren't part of the cover up.

I don't object to the financial return from the position. But it is a job for a responsible, accomplished professional. Not a dishonest, waffling bluffer.

eigrod · 11-09-2017 03:06PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Those at the top of other professions when multi million euro financial malfeasance is brought to their attention report it to the proper authorities, deal with it in a timely and efficient manner and don't issue threats to colleagues who aren't part of the cover up.

You think that happened in the banking sector ? Ever ?

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 03:10PM

eigrod wrote: »

You think that happened in the banking sector ? Ever ?

Are you talking about people committing alleged fraud or other people who knew about it. Which bank? Are you talking about reckless lending or actual fraud? Site the person aside from the offender who knew about it and did not report it.

Floppybits · 11-09-2017 03:46PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Ace2007 wrote: »

It's like any profession those at the top get huge pensions cause of their salaries.

Those at the top of other professions when multi million euro financial malfeasance is brought to their attention report it to the proper authorities, deal with it in a timely and efficient manner and don't issue threats to colleagues who aren't part of the cover up.

I don't object to the financial return from the position. But it is a job for a responsible, accomplished professional. Not a dishonest, waffling bluffer.

Unfortunately that is all we seem to produce in this country are dishonest, Waffling Bluffers. Also the fact that the Garda Commissioners job is sacrosanct is stupid, no job should be sacrosanct, if they are not doing the job then they should be fired simple as that.
What has happened here is that there was no more time for O'Sullivan to play with and she has bailed. There is a report out next week from the Policing Authority and I reckon that contains some shocking revelations and O'Sullivan got out before it was published. Now she doesn't have to answer any questions.

_Kaiser_ · 11-09-2017 03:55PM

Prezatch wrote: »

I don't understand how Leo Varadker can still stand by her

I don't understand how anyone thought Leo would be different.

He's the ultimate populist. Far more concerned about being liked and popular on social media, than an effective leader which this country so badly needs at a time of severe domestic crisis (housing, health, policing) and huge external challenges like Brexit, the migrant situation, and the knock-on effect these will have on the EU/Europe itself.

It seems as though O'Sullivan has simply run down the clock here to get full pension "entitlements" and a huge lump sum for the string of failures and scandals that emerged under her watch - and I don't buy the excuse that some of these occurred before she was Commissioner. She's been part of senior management there for a long time, and ultimately the buck stops with her.

But our current Government is even more ineffective than the last on matters like this it seems - I fully expect her successor to be another insider, or some sort of hanger-on.. all to make it LOOK like something has changed, without ACTUALLY changing (reforming) things.

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 03:56PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Those at the top of other professions when multi million euro financial malfeasance is brought to their attention report it to the proper authorities, deal with it in a timely and efficient manner and don't issue threats to colleagues who aren't part of the cover up.

I don't object to the financial return from the position. But it is a job for a responsible, accomplished professional. Not a dishonest, waffling bluffer.

Really? VW emission scandal - CEO knew about it for over a year - did nothing, JPMorgan CEO has stood over mutli-billion dollar scandals, Irish banks - mortgage scandals - how many CEO are getting the sack of Irish banks over charging?

You seem to think that what Norean did was unique - the difference maybe was that she wasn't strong enough to ride out the wave of criticism and attacks that she's getting.

In fact, the simple reason why she's being attacked is because the whole thing is a political football. Anti Government parties know there is little the government can do about the banking cover-up's so they leave them be. They also know that the public are not happy about the garda for various reason. You don't see the level of attacks when it comes to scandals in the HSE - no accountability there - huge waiting lists etc. - but nurses are seen as being the good guys (while guards are the bad guys), so little pressure is put on as the public wont' be so supportive.

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 04:04PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Really? VW emission scandal - CEO knew about it for over a year - did nothing, JPMorgan CEO has stood over mutli-billion dollar scandals, Irish banks - mortgage scandals - how many CEO are getting the sack of Irish banks over charging?

You seem to think that what Norean did was unique - the difference maybe was that she wasn't strong enough to ride out the wave of criticism and attacks that she's getting.

In fact, the simple reason why she's being attacked is because the whole thing is a political football. Anti Government parties know there is little the government can do about the banking cover-up's so they leave them be. They also know that the public are not happy about the garda for various reason. You don't see the level of attacks when it comes to scandals in the HSE - no accountability there - huge waiting lists etc. - but nurses are seen as being the good guys (while guards are the bad guys), so little pressure is put on as the public wont' be so supportive.

Good to see you've withdrawn from your position that she was an innocent angel parachuted in to a bad police force. Now you're defending her by saying other bad people have existed. That's a great endorsement.
Yes we had VW emissions, we had Genghis Khan. None of that shields anyone from scrutiny. Or "attacks" as you put it, laughably.

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 04:20PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Good to see you've withdrawn from your position that she was an innocent angel parachuted in to a bad police force. Now you're defending her by saying other bad people have existed. That's a great endorsement.
Yes we had VW emissions, we had Genghis Khan. None of that shields anyone from scrutiny. Or "attacks" as you put it, laughably.

Whose defending her? I said that she wasn't strong enough to stay on board, what had happened isn't defendable - but by your logic no one that is in the garda now can ever hold the commissioner role as it's implied that because she's from the inside she would have known everything that happened regardless whether she was the commissioner when it happened. Good luck finding someone external that will take on the role for the same money. It's pretty much like any senior role in the PS - you don't pay private sector rates, you can't expect to get the very best/strongest candidate.

There is Scrutiny but what's happening isn't scrutiny it's political football - do you think it's a coincidence that the latest issue was revealed the day she came back from holidays and not during her 5 weeks off??

Do you think it's a coincidence that SF and other anti government parties are saying there are more revelations to come - yet they are not telling us now what they are - kinda like wait and see who next commissioner and dig the stuff up then.

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 04:32PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Whose defending her? I said that she wasn't strong enough to stay on board, what had happened isn't defendable - but by your logic no one that is in the garda now can ever hold the commissioner role as it's implied that because she's from the inside she would have known everything that happened regardless whether she was the commissioner when it happened. Good luck finding someone external that will take on the role for the same money. It's pretty much like any senior role in the PS - you don't pay private sector rates, you can't expect to get the very best/strongest candidate.

You continue to portray her as an innocent spectator.
When she was informed of millions gone missing in Templemore she did not notify the Minister as she is legally obliged to do. Threatened her head of HR who was trying to flag the situation with the urgency it absolutely demanded. She is up to her neck in the shenanigans that went on with Dave Taylor and Maurice McCabe. Lost two mobile phones to cover her tracks.

What you say about not being able to get external candidates is BS.
Of course you can. The govt would prefer another of their pets be promoted from within the force. That may well happen. But if there was a will to get the right person for the job then the right person could be got.

nice_guy80 · 11-09-2017 04:37PM

will the husband go as well I wonder?

Ace2007 · 11-09-2017 04:59PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You continue to portray her as an innocent spectator.
When she was informed of millions gone missing in Templemore she did not notify the Minister as she is legally obliged to do. Threatened her head of HR who was trying to flag the situation with the urgency it absolutely demanded. She is up to her neck in the shenanigans that went on with Dave Taylor and Maurice McCabe. Lost two mobile phones to cover her tracks.

What you say about not being able to get external candidates is BS.
Of course you can. The govt would prefer another of their pets be promoted from within the force. That may well happen. But if there was a will to get the right person for the job then the right person could be got.

You need to learn to read what posters say not what you think they say. I said they wouldn't be able to get the best candidates for the job as they won't pay, not that they can't get anyone external. In addition - if your an external candidate and you see the abuse and crap that the last 2 had to put up with - would you really want to take the job?

nice_guy80 wrote: »

will the husband go as well I wonder?

Why would he? just cause he's related to her?

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-09-2017 05:01PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

will the husband go as well I wonder?

After an exhaustive search of candidates the government are delighted to announce the appointment of Mr O'Sullivan as the new Garda Commissioner

Are Am Eye · 11-09-2017 05:13PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

You need to learn to read what posters say not what you think they say. I said they wouldn't be able to get the best candidates for the job as they won't pay, not that they can't get anyone external. In addition - if your an external candidate and you see the abuse and crap that the last 2 had to put up with - would you really want to take the job?

I read the posts. I read the post you copied that point from. It's groundless speculation. Back it up. You don't know how many candidates they'll get. Of course they must set the right level of remuneration to get the right people. If you actually read the posts you would see my earlier point that to do otherwise is a false economy as the state ends up paying hundreds of millions in Tribunal costs, Judicial enquiries and other public investigations.

Once again you seek to describe NOS as some innocent angel subject to "abuse" and "crap". Wrong. She was properly held up to public scrutiny for her poor performance and dishonesty. We don't want any similar charlatans applying for the job, and candidates with any normal and base level of ethics and professionalism will have nothing to fear from scrutiny.

Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan announces retirement

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