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Sean Moncrieff - Newstalk

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  • #1262
    quintana76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    I never suggested there was a conspiracy in the Irish media(your words). There is a widely held view that there is a form of groupthink in action.
    An unthinking or calculated conforming to certain viewpoints that to diverge from is damaging. Some i am sure are genuine believers.

    RTE for example, definitely will never question unlimited illegal immigration, the Halawa case, any issues with Islam, abortion, the public sector, the unions (public sector), any human error by Obama or the Democratic party, the incumbent Government, the British Labour party, Angela Merkel, the EU and much, much more. These are all faultless and non debatable and anyone who has any reservations as to the total cosmic righteousness of all aspects of these issues is at best a rightwinger, at worst a bigot.
    NewsTalk mostly holds the same views but is a bit better because they have some divergence from the mainstream.

    I don't need to link sources for the above just listen to them.

    Fine for these organisations if they are privately owned partisan outfits like CNN or Fox News but for a national broadcaster, (paid for by the taxpayer),who are meant to be balanced in their news, it is to say the least a failure of their mandate. They are meant to represent the whole nation. Their role is to inform not browbeat.

    It is not possible for so many people to have the exact same views on each issue.
    So to answer your question. it is not conspiracy but whether as a result of editorial direction, peer pressure or Government guidance it is strange that such uniformity exists.
    I admit I have drifted off the subject of Sean Moncrieff but you did ask me a question.


  • #1263
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    You say there's an agenda, which is not a conspiracy, and that you don't need to quote any sources.

    Fair enough.

    I'm out.


  • #1264
    quintana76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    You say there's an agenda, which is not a conspiracy, and that you don't need to quote any sources.

    Fair enough.

    I'm out.

    Christ! Sorry I made the effort. Talk about talking to the deaf.
    Why don't you prove otherwise quoting sources.
    I'm waiting.


  • #1265
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,275 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    quintana76 wrote: »

    RTE for example, definitely will never question unlimited illegal immigration, the Halawa case, any issues with Islam, abortion, the public sector, the unions (public sector), any human error by Obama or the Democratic party, the incumbent Government, the British Labour party, Angela Merkel, the EU and much, much more.

    Except for all the times when they do.

    When you see a problem with so many others, it's probably worth taking a look at yourself tbh.

    Every one of your posts exudes bias. Bias... not healthy skepticism or contrarianism. You want journalists to confirm those biases, and when they don't it's because there's an agenda against you and people of your bent.

    Sad really.


  • #1266
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,331 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    quintana76 wrote: »
    I see Tom Dunne did a puff interview with the sister of Ibrahim Halawa. No serious questions asked as to the circumstances of the trip and the arrest. Thought poor tom was on the verge of tears.
    Why are the media sticking to their version of the story like glue when everybody who cares to know, knows it is false. Why are they widely dissimulating a version that is at the very least not the full story?
    it certainly doen't encourage much trust in the media at a time when that very belief is seriously on the wane in the Western world.
    It looks like the agenda must be followed no matter what. Truth no longer matters.

    Honestly I'd say Tom just doesn't care. He's not a current affairs journalist or any type of journalist.


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  • #1267
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,024 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Who's Mark Humphry? It is nice of a Doctor from Cambridge to report on all this.

    Are there any references to his work from any reliable or reputable sources?

    You obviously didn't bother your arse reading that link because he has referenced links to back up his articles he also writes articles for the Times, Also if you think that the Halawas wouldn't have sued him if there was any liable articles?
    Dunne, as with every other media outlet in this country have not probed the whole Muslim Brotherhood links.


  • #1268
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    I read enough of it to know he's an angry fella with some serious issues going on.

    The bits about Frankie Boyle and Owen Jones are all I needed to see to get the f*ck off that website asap.

    Some of the links lead nowhere, by the way. In fact the website as a whole is pretty shoddy for a guy claiming to have Doctorate in Tech Startup from Cambridge.


  • #1269
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Hmm.

    Seems he is a lecturer in DCU. Remarkable.


  • #1270
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    I read enough of it to know he's an angry fella with some serious issues going on.

    The bits about Frankie Boyle and Owen Jones are all I needed to see to get the f*ck off that website asap.

    Some of the links lead nowhere, by the way. In fact the website as a whole is pretty shoddy for a guy claiming to have Doctorate in Tech Startup from Cambridge.

    it's hardly like being blocked by Owen Jones on twitter is a badge of honour, he is a complete clown about brexit and blocks anyone who calls him out on his idiocy over it. if jeremy corbyn told him black was white, he'd argue the case for him with his hands over his ears shouting 'lalalalalalala' until the other person gives up or he just blocks them.

    anyway, i digress!


  • #1271
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,024 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    it's hardly like being blocked by Owen Jones on twitter is a badge of honour, he is a complete clown about brexit and blocks anyone who calls him out on his idiocy over it. if jeremy corbyn told him black was white, he'd argue the case for him with his hands over his ears shouting 'lalalalalalala' until the other person gives up or he just blocks them.

    anyway, i digress!

    He got a fairly decent Sky News presenter fired when he stormed off during a paper reviews!


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  • #1272
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    He got a fairly decent Sky News presenter fired when he stormed off during a paper reviews!

    hadn't realised that the presenter got sacked, saw that at the time and still thought he was a clown. i thought mark longhurst was taking the south park argument, when they had an episode about hate crime, where the kids were arguing that either all crime is hate crime or it's not.

    it's in this clip

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLotehGgbiE


    he stormed off like jack o'connor from vincent brown. what is it with people storming off taking ages to get the microphone off!


  • #1273
    quintana76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Except for all the times when they do.

    When you see a problem with so many others, it's probably worth taking a look at yourself tbh.

    Every one of your posts exudes bias. Bias... not healthy skepticism or contrarianism. You want journalists to confirm those biases, and when they don't it's because there's an agenda against you and people of your bent.

    Sad really.

    OK. Give some examples about RTE criticizing the subjects I mentioned. It is easy to make broad statements about bias without evidence. Prove me biased. You can do it.


  • #1274
    foxtrot101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭foxtrot101


    quintana76 wrote: »
    OK. Give some examples about RTE criticizing the subjects I mentioned. It is easy to make broad statements about bias without evidence. Prove me biased. You can do it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7mQs_Da7L0


    That's two off your list.


  • #1275
    quintana76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    foxtrot101 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7mQs_Da7L0


    That's two off your list.

    Well spotted. Forgot about that one. Absolutely amazed about that report. Never followed up though. Never brought into the Halawa issue.
    I can still say that one swallow doth not make a summer unless proven otherwise.


  • #1276
    foxtrot101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭foxtrot101


    quintana76 wrote: »
    Well spotted. Forgot about that one. Absolutely amazed about that report. Never followed up though. Never brought into the Halawa issue.
    I can still say that one swallow doth not make a summer unless proven otherwise.

    Well spotted? Not really. It took me about 2 seconds to think of an example of something that you claimed RTE "definitely will never question". But that list isn't about RTE, it's about you and your own personal biasses.


  • #1277
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,024 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    foxtrot101 wrote: »
    Well spotted? Not really. It took me about 2 seconds to think of an example of something that you claimed RTE "definitely will never question". But that list isn't about RTE, it's about you and your own personal biasses.

    No his point is valid, any RTÉ news reports it's always about the Halawa sisters screeching about the government not doing enough for their brother! And the same with the migrant crisis never any focus on the destruction in countries like Italy and Greece!
    And one of the news reports last week following the Barcalona massacre when it was suggested that ban hire companies would need to run background checks before renting if they had any suspicions, the reporter looked disgusted at this claiming it was discriminatory to even think that, didn't cross their minds that it might save innocent lives!
    Tom is obviously a more laid back character so they should have held that interview back for Sean's return as I would have been interested in his line of questioning!


  • #1278
    quintana76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    foxtrot101 wrote: »
    Well spotted? Not really. It took me about 2 seconds to think of an example of something that you claimed RTE "definitely will never question". But that list isn't about RTE, it's about you and your own personal biases.
    So you deny the truth with ad hominem attacks?
    Bias only seems an issue to you when it is not your own.

    So because I point out the truth of RTE's bias I am biased?
    I am allegedly expressing personal bias that invalidates the truth of my claim. Good diversion!
    So these biases should not be mentioned as it might offend the people (unbiased like you) who agree with them?
    RTE speak the gospel truth and I am some sort of bigot because I call out the fact that some people might disagree with it.

    I thought that approach was the last resort of the loser of an argument. Just a thought, if someone doe's not share your own opinion they are not biased, they just disagree with you. Everybody is biased even your precious self.

    Learn how to discuss not deride.

    I am tired of this. Back to Sean Moncrieff as this is not meant to be about RTE.


  • #1279
    Evil_g
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Evil_g


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    And one of the news reports last week following the Barcalona massacre when it was suggested that ban hire companies would need to run background checks before renting if they had any suspicions, the reporter looked disgusted at this claiming it was discriminatory to even think that, didn't cross their minds that it might save innocent lives!

    That did not happen.


  • #1280
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Back to discussing the content of the Moncrieff Show, and how its content was handled by the host/ contributors.

    General political debates are welcomed in Politics Forum or the Politics Cafe.

    Thanks


  • #1281
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The SMS needs someone sharp and that someone is not tom dunne.


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  • #1282
    Vorenus400
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    Tom Dunne is "Nice." But he is terrible cover for Sean. He reminds me of Miriam O Callaghan when she hosts that saturday night thing in summer. Its all amazing , brilliant etc. No depth to anything but he should be doing a music show somewhere.

    I also hate these modern pieces about (usually Irish) people who get tickets to someplace that they shouldnt. It really doesnt warrant an interview. Maybe 2 lines during the intro but no more


  • #1283
    xper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭xper


    Jesus, the So You Think You're An Adult slot needs to be dropped immediately. Absolute car crash edition today. They had Éanna Ní Lamhna sitting in for the usual woman (Barbara?) who promptly ramped up the normal stupidity-level 100-fold. They essentially deemed two relationships hopeless, ridiculed a woman worried about meeting a past flame at a school reunion and endorsed running a brothel in a housing estate. I'm just sorry Sean was off because I am sure he would have called the pair of them on the nonsense they were spouting, You could tell Tom was agog at what they were coming out with but he was too nice to question them effectively.


  • #1284
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    agreed, it was absolutely dreadful. I usually don't mind the slot, even if it is a bit daft, but Éanna was just ranting incoherently and getting worked up and talking over both of the others. usually there's a bit of useful advice mixed in with the fun, but there was zero useful advice with her on today.


  • #1285
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,331 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    You could actually hear Tom's brain disengage and go for a break on that slot as your one was just soooooo bad.

    If they're going to be like that they should get rid of the slot as I turned it off after a few mins.


  • #1286
    Vorenus400
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    xper wrote: »
    Jesus, the So You Think You're An Adult slot needs to be dropped immediately. Absolute car crash edition today. They had Éanna Ní Lamhna sitting in for the usual woman (Barbara?) who promptly ramped up the normal stupidity-level 100-fold. They essentially deemed two relationships hopeless, ridiculed a woman worried about meeting a past flame at a school reunion and endorsed running a brothel in a housing estate. I'm just sorry Sean was off because I am sure he would have called the pair of them on the nonsense they were spouting, You could tell Tom was agog at what they were coming out with but he was too nice to question them effectively.

    All of news talk seems to be about extreme opinion anymore. There is no central ground. Its between Healys pc ****e and Hooks pro Trump ****e. The station is on a downward spiral grasping for whatever listeners it can get. If possible I think Moncrieff, Kenny and Yates should get the hell out before they are forced to start playing the roles.


  • #1287
    Vunderground
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Vunderground


    Just listening to So You Think You're An Adult segment for the first time.
    Mother of God, it's worse than I expected from reading previous posts...the female just swore.... 'jiminy cricket' says she ...Sean back on Wednesday is the good news :)


  • #1288
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    That So You Think You're An Adult segment wasn't bad compared to the car crash of last week's.


  • #1289
    Dub13
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Way to much focus on music stories for me when Tom is standing in.


  • #1290
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Not enough focus on music stories for me when Tom is standing in.


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  • #1291
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I like Tom Dunne but I don't think he's as naturally curious as Moncrieff is.

    When I first started listening to Moncrieff I thought the interviews were a bit too Betty Crocker (I.e. I've read your summary, Mr Contributor; and I'm going to ask a question from each paragraph).

    That does happen with Moncrieff, but he is always ready to spot the interesting statement or apparent inconsistency, and challenge his guests from time to time


    With Tom Dunne, the whole thing seems 100% pre-cooked and he's just tagging-on and off. It isn't a patch on his nightly music show, where he really comes into his own.

    Anyway, Moncrieff is back tomorrow, so happy days.


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